Woman Gives Birth To Octuplets II

[JMO8778]

and she sounds like daisy duck too ! oh, I know...not very nice,lol.
thx,I was thinking she had listed a david soloman for the first 4,then omitted a name for the twins.then started back w that name again,for the octs.

I just don't buy she did ivf for all 6 pregnancies...more likely,just the last 2.and probably,(IMO) bc the bio dad was now out of the pic.so she went for donor embryos.(and or just donor sperm).

 

[Boyz_Mum]

OMG... her voice is sort of similar to the "duck family" of Disney fame.

I'd be so pi$$ed if I set out to look like Jolie and ended up looking like Daisy Duck... LOL!

 

[JMO8778]

LOL! if she obtained that nasal-y voice after having her nose worked on,she certainly did herself a big disservice.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

LOL! if she obtained that nasal-y voice after having her nose worked on,she certainly did herself a big disservice.

Between the giggling and the voice, it would be very hard to listen to her for an hour long documentary.

 

[LCoastMom]

have any of you seen the nadya suleman forum? (go to general discussion).

http://www.nadyasuleman.com/forum/

I would have to agree w some of the posters there,that OM conceived the first 4 children naturally,and the 2 multiple births were the only ones that resulted from IVF procedures.thinking about it,it makes sense.(wondering what you all think?).

IA,she could have been a stalker, and I wonder if she agreed to leave the father of the first 4 alone,if he gave her a final 'donation'?
I have a feeling that someday,the truth will be revealed.

also there is the extent of the mess she has made,i.e.-she is stiffing the owner of the house she is in.and so on and so forth..interesting reading.

I haven't read us weekly in awhile,but she generally has had pics or something in it every week, sort of like the deal she has w radaronline,i guess.

TYVM for the information. It boggles my mind a little that there is a whole forum dedicated to her!! I do question the the idea that the babies are not biologically hers. For one I think she is too narcissistic to use anyone else's DNA. If we completely toss out the whole stalker theory I could see her being the only DNA donor if that were possible. Since it's not I'm not ready to toss out the DNA stalker idea yet...

The kids birth certificates are available on line in several places. In keeping within our rules I only put minimal information on each of the kids. But it is really amazing to me that the kids BC have conflicting information. On Joshua's BC Nadya Denise is the mother, the twins mother is Natalie. The father is David S, but his DOB changes with each birth and one of the certificates even changes from CA to Israel as his state of birth.

I would swear when I signed my kids B/C there is a little blip stating the information is true and correct. Which of the octo tots is true and correct? And why does it change from baby to baby?

TMZ http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/19/octuplets-octomom-birth-certificates/


#1[Elijah M. DOB 05/01] Mom [Nadya (X) S] Dad:[David (X) S] [5/25/73] [CA]

#2[Amerah DOB 06/02] [Nadya (X) S] [David (X) S][5/25/75][ISRAEL]


#3[Joshua DOB 08/03] [Nadya Denise S] [David (X) S] 6/25/75][CA]

#4[Aidan (X) DOB 04/05] [Nadya (X) S] [David (X) S] [6/25/73] [CA]

#5[Calyssa (#1) DOB 10/06] [Natalie (X) S] [X]

#6[Caleb K. (#2) DOB 10/06] [Natalie (X) S] [X]

#7-14 [DOB 01/09] [Nadya (X) S] [X]



Whose Reality is Worse?


http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the...gosselins_vs_octomom_whose_reality_worse.html

And Octomom's already begun filming her reality show, and so far, it's just her—as of right now, none of her 14 kids have work permits, so camera crews are avoiding filming any of the li'l ones. So what the hell will be on this show? Just Nadya's big lips giving interviews to the press?

Does Jon really need shopping sprees and vacays to St. Tropez? Does Suleman need all those probably pricey facial distortions? No. But their kids need some folks who'll put them first.

 

[LCoastMom]

I would love to be a psychiatrist, just to study a personality like OM's. She's a puzzle!

I have a feeling her box is missing a few of the pieces. :crazy:

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[Boyz_Mum]

I have a feeling her box is missing a few of the pieces. :crazy:

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You said it!

Last night I was flipping through the channels and I stopped on a show (I don't even know what channel it was on) about the most controversial mothers or something like that? (It wasn't a good list to be on.) Anyway... Madonna made the list, Britney made the list and a couple of others, the top "honors" went to Nadya Suleman. The two women commenting really had nothing nice to say about her. (Each of the women commenting had nice things to say about Britney and Madonna and encouraging words for both of them, but oh my... they were really foaming at the mouth over Nadya.)

I think the television show I was watching had an "E" in the left corner and the guy who was the lead talker looked a little like Ryan Seacrest. I'm sorry, I looked for a link and can't find what I was watching, but if anyone can fill me in, please do!

 

[LCoastMom]

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:​

OK I'll try to be brief!! LOL as if....:crazy:
Time to call the rumor police. Rumor has it that the first entry of some Octo TV will be on Fox TV on 8/19, 8/?? and 8/31,:banghead: if I heard correctly!!! :furious:Will include wild man :viking: Caleb smacking the Octo Crazy right upside the head!!:slap: As her Octo-Lips say "gentle, gentle..." :doh:

Fox is running commercials, or so I heard!:yes:! So far it will be rerunning video from Radar.:waitasec: But it must be more than that, who would pay for footage already available on line for freeee? Fox must have.....

Honestly I will have no trouble banning Fox. :chicken:they are kind enough to use the same name on every channel they run. :yes:Keep It Simple Stoopid!!

:no: NO Octo TV for Me!! :no:​

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[Boyz_Mum]

I'm going to have to check out Fox's schedule. I'd boycott them but AMW is on Fox and I will continue to support AMW. (In which case, I know when to tune in, avoiding Octo-mania shouldn't be too hard to do. )

Thanks for the heads up, missmybaby!

 

[LCoastMom]

"Octomom: The Incredible Unseen Footage", Fox has scheduled the show for Aug. 19, at 8 PM PST.


Last month, a California judge appointed a lawyer to oversee the estate of the octuplets, saying he wanted to make sure they weren't exploited by paid ventures like reality shows. Fox says this is not exploitation of the children because they are using film that already exists! Octo Mess was not involved with putting the show together. It is being advertised as a 2 hour special. With 2 more dates already set for repeats in August alone.

Footage of Suleman caring for her children was shot by RadarOnline, which struck its own deal with the mother for access. RadarOnline sold access to the footage to a production company, Pilgrim Films & Entertainment, for an undisclosed fee, and Pilgrim made the deal for the special with Fox. Fox and Pilgrim have set up a six figure account for the children: because "it was the right thing to do!"

Craig Piligian, head of Pilgrim, said the material is "really jaw-dropping in some moments, really compelling stuff." He said it was a look inside of Suleman's life and her thoughts, and the show will be aired without a host or narration. Allowing the viewer to make up their own mind about O-M.:Benny_monkeysmilies

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[kaas]

Good grief.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

By the sound of what you posted, missmybaby, Fox is going to profit (unless it's boycotted) from a "Nadya's Bloopers" type of show? They do one good thing (AMW) and screw it up with a show like this?

I'm guessing the footage was sold to them, I'm also guessing that somehow, someway, Nadya will get a portion of the proceeds (or may have gotten her portion aside from the 6 figure account they speak of?) Not sure how you all feel, but even the "watch the train wreck" side of my personality, doesn't want to see "Nadya Bloopers".

Link to an article about the "Nadya show":

http://wtopnews.com/?nid=114&sid=1737076

PS... I don't believe that Fox or Pilgrim started a 6 figure account for the children because it's "the right thing to do", they've already said "it's not exploitation because it already exists on film". It was filmed for the purpose of selling it and Pilgrim and Fox bought it. (JMO!)

 

[LCoastMom]

By the sound of what you posted, missmybaby, Fox is going to profit (unless it's boycotted) from a "Nadya's Bloopers" type of show? They do one good thing (AMW) and screw it up with a show like this?

I'm guessing the footage was sold to them, I'm also guessing that somehow, someway, Nadya will get a portion of the proceeds (or may have gotten her portion aside from the 6 figure account they speak of?) Not sure how you all feel, but even the "watch the train wreck" side of my personality, doesn't want to see "Nadya Bloopers".

Link to an article about the "Nadya show":

http://wtopnews.com/?nid=114&sid=1737076

PS... I don't believe that Fox or Pilgrim started a 6 figure account for the children because it's "the right thing to do", they've already said "it's not exploitation because it already exists on film". It was filmed for the purpose of selling it and Pilgrim and Fox bought it. (JMO!)

From what I found out from looking and reading so many more clips about "this train wreck in motion" than I ever thought I would! I can no longer find the info at Fox!! If you put in "Octo Mom" in the search box, it will give you 2 old clips about her. I couldn't even find the times listed for this "special". But I have found the same information I posted, all over the internet! TV reviewers, blog sites you name it. People are writing about her! :yes:

According to one article I read Octo mom sold the rights to the film to Radar. So Radar can do anything they want with it, as long as it doesn't violate terms of the contract they signed with her.:deal: Fox and Pilgrim owed her nothing. And she had no in put into what it is used for or how they use it.

Radar sold it to Pilgrim, Pilgrim sold it to Fox, Fox sells commercial time to get their money back. :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:

Interestingly enough this is the same footage that Radar got fined for filming! The kids had no work permits and there was no attention paid to the amount of time the kids were in front of the camera,:camera: which in CA is strictly enforced. :cop:

I actually think Fox and Pilgrim set up the account to make them look like the good guys. "See we did nothing to the babies, we never even met the babies, we're just using this old footage that no one else wanted!!" Right....

It's kinda funny right now. I have no desire to watch the show for entertainment value, I'm intrigued about what they are calling :crazy: "jaw dropping, compelling stuff" OTOH those sound amazingly like catch phrases. Intended to do just what they are making me think, hummm should I watch and see what is jaw dropping and compelling??? Naw I'll just read the reports and reviews about it that will surely be on the news for at least a week if it is so compelling. Honestly I don't think she has a compelling bone in her whole body!!! :chicken:

One article mentions filming done over fondue in a LA restaurant. That was the clip radar shot, supposedly with her bff (who interestingly enough is never seen on camera) Where she admitted to asking Octo Donor for more DNA and this time she couldn't convince him with any of her lies, cajoling or begging (her words) so she went behind his back, using the "left overs" that according to her he neither knew she had nor had his permission to use!! I'm so curious, if he gave her the sample, would she have used it, or was it an attempt on her part to use the left overs without telling him there ever were leftovers KWIM? :waitasec:

Another mentions the clip where Caleb nails her right in the face, again! While she sweetly says......Yeah you guessed right. "Gentle, gentle...." That does work, I can hand feed my Pit Bull steak without ever a fear of him biting me, evidently isn't working so well for Caleb!! There are lots of clips of Wild Man,:viking: Caleb popping OM in the face. Maybe that's how she keeps those A.J. lips so plump!! :slap: He is also her biter. :croc:

That NS web site 'JMO' gave us the addy to is incredible!!! They have a whole thread dedicated to what she spends her money on, with pictures and price tags/ads to go with. There is a picture taken that shows a Very Lg screen TV mounted on the wall and a new couch in the garage that she has turned into a play room, after the LA Dept of Building and Code Enforcement Inspector told her the garage must be kept for her car. So under these pictures is the name & addy of who to turn her in to for code violations! Who has time? Then a story of the nanny coming back from the grocery store with 20 bags of groceries. 5 minutes later OM leaves and comes back laden down with bags from Mickey D's and happy meals!!

Some of the posts are funny, more are mean spirited. And I don't mean things like my comment about her being a few pieces shy of a whole puzzle! That would probably be one of the nicest things you would find posted there, if you could find it at all. It never ceases to amaze me about the caliber of people we have at WS. If we ever feel the need to complain, we need only to go check out these other forums :shocked2:

:no: NO Octo TV for Me!! :no:​

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[Boyz_Mum]

missmybaby, since you believe Pilgrim and Fox set up the account for the children and it sounds like you think they may be the good guys, I will accept that and believe it with you. (It's way better than my normal pessimistic thinking. )

 

[LCoastMom]

missmybaby, since you believe Pilgrim and Fox set up the account for the children and it sounds like you think they may be the good guys, I will accept that and believe it with you. (It's way better than my normal pessimistic thinking. )

Thank you :blowkiss: I do believe they set up the acct but at the time I wrote that comment I sure wasn't thinking kind thoughts of them. I would have called them opportunists at the very best, using film that was illegally recorded of those babies and children. My gut feeling is they purchased the recordings for next to nothing. Throwing 6 figures into an account for the kids is the least they could do. :bling: And it's way more than their mother would do!!

"What’s going on now is I feel obligated – almost compelled – to earn a living to take care of my kids." N.S.

If their "mom-star":genie: would have listened to the advice of anyone who knew what was what; the video never would have been up for sale; for anyone to use for whatever they choose. Anyone ever recall TLC selling 2 hours of "Jaw-dropping and compelling" footage of J & K or their +8?

“I was kind of catapulted into this, oblivious to my choices."... N.S.

My theory was that since Octo Mess has definitely signed with a producer but has no takers for the product, Fox is using this to test the waters. To see if everyone loves to put her down publicly, but in the privacy of their own home sucks up whatever they can get. Leaving a spot on their fall line up to show Octo Mess the Series starting later in the season.

"Do I like attention — the inordinate attention that’s not even warranted because I’m not a celebrity, a ‘pseudo-celebrity?” N.S.


The other possibility is that FOX is using footage Radar couldn't, if there was any hope for them to continue to record O-M as she goes down. Goes down hard! :shocked2: Supposedly there is a lot of footage that doesn't show O-M's best side. That the FOX special maybe all that is needed to give CPS what they have been looking for. FOX is handing it over, on a silver platter. :clap:

"I don’t. I absolutely don’t. But I have to do what I have to do to take care of them."N.S. ~The "them" she was referring to would of course be her 14 children!!~

I have only seen a quick glimpse of part of a commercial as I was doing a channel check. A harried looking OM with all eight babies laying on her bed up stairs and a half second of OM in the OR, when the Octo Tots were being born. The portion I haven't seen, shows OM being smacked up side the head by wild man Caleb, :viking: repeatedly. (As she whispers gentle, gentle...) Rumor has it when the paps aren't around she isn't such a model mom, which has been picked up by Radar, on the odd clip when filming the "reality" not-a-ma stopped, but the camera kept rolling.

The preceding quote was Octo-Mess recorded by ROL; printed in USA Today and played on every cable news program in the nation.

I have also been trying to "follow the money" :twocents: around the net. Looking up obscure comments and what the the general pulse is. (I really need to get a life! or a hobby or maybe a job or something LOL, the drivel one can find on line about anyone who ever put them self in front of a camera is mind numbing....) And you know how I love to share! :woohoo:

On how after having 14 kids, she finally has decided she must do something to support the little darlings; so she will sell videos and family pictures, to the highest bidder After signing a 3 year contract.

On film OM loves to put the OGma in her place, :argue: rumor says while OM has been out of the house for several "hospitalizations" since the babes went home, OGma rules while OM is away.:grandma:

The Whittier house belonging to GMa Octo did go into foreclosure, final on 8-15.

There is also a rumor that all along, since long before the tups were a glimmer in OM's savings acct or a twinkle in her contact lens covered eye, she would get "overwhelmed", at which time she would lock herself in her room and not come out until she was composed. Kids? What kids? Because with 6 young children, we all lock our selves in our room and refuse to come out!

~Coming literally in the days following her repeated criticism of Kate Gosselin for allowing her children to be filmed for TLC's Jon & Kate+8.~

The children's Birth Certificates are being reviewed,:deal: they are considered a legal document, but with Octo-Donor/MIA Daddy having 3 or 4 different BDates. Born in CA (or not) and OM is not even sure of her own name! (Did we really expect her to remember all 14 kids?) The mother of 11 of the 14 is Nadya (no middle name) S., Caleb and Calyssa belong to Nadine S and little Joshua's mom is Nadya Denise S. The first 4 kids have David S listed as their donor/daddy, the twins and tups have no father listed. (Which is completely legal in CA, whether the father is known or not.) Rumor is; Nadya made up the name David S! (making up a name, not so much!!) I know, everyone is just shocked!

"Starve me; starve my kids"....Octo-Mess on no one picking up her show...

Way back when, we were discussing the many psychological :crazy: symptoms of OM, I put out a fear of Munchausen’s by proxy. Evidently we aren't the only ones to think this is a possibility. Not only that but there is a lot of serious talk around that so far her proxy :razz: is in the back ground as she continues to feel the need for repeated back to back hospitalizations for herself. With an odd collection of a variety of symptoms. KP seems to be catering to her midnight crazies after the report that employes had tried to hack into admitting records.cguru: They have also just reportedly paid a $250,0000.00 fine because of the wanna be hackers who were let go. The possibilty still remains theat OM's atty will bring a suit against the hospital where she gave birth to all her children..

:no: No Octo TV For Me!! :no:

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Emma Leigh Barker​

September 2, 2007 thru March 18, 2009​

Play with the Angels in Heaven, Precious Baby Girl.
You are so loved.​

 

[Boyz_Mum]

The quote about "feel obligated-almost compelled to earn a living for my children" is just plain wierd. I would hope she felt obligated to earn a living for her children, isn't that what "normal" people feel? I don't understand her feeling "almost compelled", what the heck does that mean?She's almost forced to make a living for her kids?



Here's the definition of the word "compel":
Main Entry: com·pel

• Pronunciation: \kəm-ˈpel\
• Function: transitive verb
• Inflected Form(s): com·pelled; com·pel·ling
• Etymology: Middle English compellen, from Anglo-French compeller, from Latin compellere, from com- + pellere to drive — more at felt
• Date: 14th century

1 : to drive or urge forcefully or irresistibly <hunger compelled him to eat>
2 : to cause to do or occur by overwhelming pressure <public opinion compelled her to sign the bill>
3 archaic : to drive together synonyms see force

And then her saying she was "almost catapulted into this, oblivious to my choices" is another wierd choice of words. The only people who were catapulted into any of this were her children, and they had no choices. Nadya/Natalie was oblivious to her choices when she herself chose to be implanted with embryos, over and again? She saw how it worked the first 6 times she had tried the procedure, what's left to be oblivious of? The only thing I think she was oblivious of was the responsibility of her choices. The weight of her decisions didn't hit her until the money didn't roll in as she expected.

By the way, is octo-gramp's around? Did he have to go out of the country to make some moolah? He seemed like a controlling kind of guy, JMO.

 

[LCoastMom]

The quote about "feel obligated-almost compelled to earn a living for my children" is just plain wierd. I would hope she felt obligated to earn a living for her children, isn't that what "normal" people feel? I don't understand her feeling "almost compelled", what the heck does that mean?She's almost forced to make a living for her kids?



Here's the definition of the word "compel":
Main Entry: com·pel

• Pronunciation: \k&#601;m-&#712;pel\
• Function: transitive verb
• Inflected Form(s): com·pelled; com·pel·ling
• Etymology: Middle English compellen, from Anglo-French compeller, from Latin compellere, from com- + pellere to drive — more at felt
• Date: 14th century

1 : to drive or urge forcefully or irresistibly <hunger compelled him to eat>
2 : to cause to do or occur by overwhelming pressure <public opinion compelled her to sign the bill>
3 archaic : to drive together synonyms see force

And then her saying she was "almost catapulted into this, oblivious to my choices" is another wierd choice of words. The only people who were catapulted into any of this were her children, and they had no choices. Nadya/Natalie was oblivious to her choices when she herself chose to be implanted with embryos, over and again? She saw how it worked the first 6 times she had tried the procedure, what's left to be oblivious of? The only thing I think she was oblivious of was the responsibility of her choices. The weight of her decisions didn't hit her until the money didn't roll in as she expected.

By the way, is octo-gramp's around? Did he have to go out of the country to make some moolah? He seemed like a controlling kind of guy, JMO.

People who have been "watching" have said to there knowledge Ed has never left the country to return to his job as a government employe.

The first 4 red lines were the complete statement. "compelled finally", "catapulted/oblivious", "doesn't like being a pseudo celebrity"/**wants to be a real celebrity IMO, I will do what I have to do for THEM/ ** wow big of her finally!!!!

Interesting how after having 14 kids she finally feels compelled to take care of them herself!!

I wish one of our legal eagles would stop by. I've found some interesting things. I'm curious if she may not even end up facing jail time...

She patitioned the courts to change her name from Nadine Doud to Nadya Suleman, but never showed up for court to legally change.

She married her husband, has told people she never lived with him, the guy WHO claimed he might be a daddy was her bf during the time of her marriage.

Her name on divorce paper work Nadya Doud AKA Natalie Denise Suleman

But now she is Nadya Suleman?

She married her husband Marcos G. 8/15/96
He claims they separated 1/2000
He filed for Dissolution originally 10/27/06 new filing 1/07
Divorce final 01/31/2008

attempted to serve: 01/03 & 01/05/ 07
services dated in May 24 2007 (He actually had to leave the papers with Ed Doud)

hearing set 06/28/07 NS no showed
hearing set 08/30/07 NS no showed
hearing set 11/01/07 NS no showed
hearing set 12/27/07 NS no showed
hearing set 01/31/08 uncertain if she showed or he had a default judgement.


I'm assuming he had to pay every time he attempted to have her served at $50 to $100 per. Uncertain if he was paying for court time every time she no showed, he would have been paying his atty tho! (In Pro Per? Is this with no atty? at the end)

There were no assets and no children. But actually she gave birth to the 1st 6 before the divorce!

Divorce papers http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/OctupletsDivorce.pdf

She got her psych tech certificate, hired to work at state hospital 1997. Was injured 09/18/1998

She told the psychologist she saw regarding her injury she had 3 prior miscarriages.

When Suleman learned that she was pregnant with her first child, the report quotes her as having said, "When you have a history of miscarriages, you think it will take a miracle."

Psychologist Dennis Nehamen wrote that Suleman feared she would lose the child, which led her to fall into "an intense depression." **She became so despondent her mother or "husband" was at her side 24/7.

The report quotes her as saying, "I just wanted to die. I suspected I was pregnant but I thought 'that's ridiculous." But the birth of the baby "helped my spirits," she said. Suleman's hopes also rose that her marriage would be improved by the baby. (**Just wondering, maybe she was talking about the guy she wanted, not the one she had!!)


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/05/BAPM15OJ6Q.DTL#ixzz0OgIshgT9

Nadya Suleman, 33, received payments over six years, between 2002 and 2008, according to documents disclosed to the Associated Press after a public records request to the state Division of Workers' Compensation

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/05/BAPM15OJ6Q.DTL#ixzz0OgHWcsIg

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Emma Leigh Barker
September 2, 2007 thru March 18, 2009
Play with the Angels in Heaven, Precious Baby Girl.
You are so loved.​

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

O.k., I am watching the Octomom special on Fox, and I have to say that I feel differently than I have before about her. Her mom is a *****. I really do think that's where her obsession for children and need for and to give love came from. Her mom is super cold and mean and judgemental imo. I am in no way saying that she should've had so many kids, especially by herself, but I am seeing her in a different light. And I know it could be the editing, but I'm just sayin'.

ETA: I may be drinking as I post this, so I reserve the right to change my opinion in the morning. Holla!

 

[LCoastMom]

O.k., I am watching the Octomom special on Fox, and I have to say that I feel differently than I have before about her. Her mom is a *****. I really do think that's where her obsession for children and need for and to give love came from. Her mom is super cold and mean and judgemental imo. I am in no way saying that she should've had so many kids, especially by herself, but I am seeing her in a different light. And I know it could be the editing, but I'm just sayin'.

ETA: I may be drinking as I post this, so I reserve the right to change my opinion in the morning. Holla!

Just curious, is it possible that her mom is so angry, hurt, exhausted etc, etc, that she is really acting out of frustration. Nadya has said they were never close, she's always been cold blah blah. But her dad has said it really hurts him to see them together now because he remembers what a loving relationship they used to have...

I have a daughter who has issues (Nothing like these Thank GOD), but it is hard sometimes. This was the child who made me a mother, something I think I started looking forward to as a child. If our situation was as difficult, painful and hurtful on a day to day, played out in public basis, I don't know what I would do. How I would act. I've had the strength not to become spiteful or whatever the right verb is that defines the relationship between Nutya and Octo Gram. But I can see the pain in Angela that may have a lot to do with her behavior. Not that it makes her behavior right, just maybe understandable.

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~Emma Leigh Barker~
:cry: September 2, 2007 thru March 18, 2009 :cry:
~Play with the Angels in Heaven ~ Precious Baby Girl~
~You are so loved~​

 

[Elphaba]

I watched the show, too... my perception of her mother wasn't that of her being a b*tch... she was just trying to make OM understand the reality of what was going on... as well, she was concerned about the children and was trying to make sure Nadya wasn't putting the kids in danger, as proof by her showing up on the doorstep demanding to know whey social services had been to the house over one of the kids getting injured.

I found the story of OM making her mother get in the trunk rather sadistic, when she was younger. (the mother had been out feeding feral cat colonies that she tried to take care of with food, shots and fixing. Somewhere along the way, she needed Nadya to drive her somewhere, so Nadya said she smelled of cat spray, thus telling her mother that the only way she was going anywhere was to get in the trunk, so she did) OM was laughing about it as she told how she drove in a crazy way to scare and make her mother roll around in the the trunk, and then went on to drive in a way to make her mother think they were getting in a wreck. Now, that is mean... and sadistic...