Woman Kicked Off Bus For Reading Bible Out Loud To Her Kids!

[ziggy]

What's with the air quotes and the rage?

Air quotes? Don't know what that means but if you mean putting quotation marks around something I mean it to be alledged. Some homeless people are poor mentally ill folks who have no place to go, but I gotta tolerate them when they are obnoxious and when they urninated in my garage and had prostitutes giving them BJs in my parking garage in the city. Some are homeless by choice, but I gotta tolerate them and their ramblings.

Rage? Hardly. More like just fed up and frustrated with our society that expects people to tolerate the loud cell phone talking, rambling alcoholic drug addicts (who are smelly at that) and roudy baggy pants youths with music that blares "you suck my dick and I'll eat your pussy". Sorry to be so blunt but I've heard it with thine own ears. So, a lady is in trouble for reading the Bible, a bit loud maybe, but lets all just TOLERATE, since that is what we are expected to do with those who have no manners and don't want to follow societies rules. She is being singled out because she was reading the bible. You would never get away with kicking a Muslim out for reciting prayer too loudly on the bus. Never.

 

[kgeaux]

If she was sitting in the back of the bus and the driver who obviously sits in the front of the bus heard her then yes she was being too loud and that is considered disruptive in my opinion. I don't think this has anything to do with what she was reading at all...She was being rude.

Well, yes. If the bus driver could hear her from the front of the bus, then she was reading too loudly. But the article does not say the driver heard her. It does say:


Officials at The T said the incident had nothing to do with what Lutz was reading, just the fact that she was simply making too much noise. Signs on the bus warn against playing radios and loud behavior. Transportation officials claimed they asked Lutz to quiet down, and when she refused, they were forced to remove her from the bus.

That would lead us to believe she was being loud and obnoxious, BUT this could just be CYA being played out.

I would like to know if the driver could hear her? Or did a passenger nearby to her complain to the driver? And if a passenger complained, what was the basis of his complaint----the fact that he could hear her voice? Or the words she was speaking?

If a nearby passenger complained, then it raises the question in my mind if this mother had simply been speaking to her children, carrying on a conversation, would THAT have been offensive?

I want more info before I jump on Mom or the bus company.

 

[kgeaux]

Can we add to that people with "loud" perfume or cologne? Those of us who suffer migraines would sure appreciate them being booted from confined spaces. Scents are supposed to be subtle, not burn all the hair out of your nostrils and make your eyes catch on fire.

Wait! I love my perfume!!! You.....you perfacist! :blowkiss: Seriously, I agree with you in theory......but I have a breakdown at my dressing table some mornings. (Sorry) It's because I lost my sense of smell when I was pregnant with my first child, many moons ago. And now I can smell things only sporadically. So some mornings, I'm spritzing on a little perfume that has no smell at all to me ( I know, why do I do it? There's some sort of psychological pathology there.) Then hours later, my sense of smell kicks in and I realize I'm awash in fragrance. At that point, I hate it as much as you do, and interestingly, it then gives me a migraine too!

This is clearly a case of Religious persecution against the 7th Day Adventist lady...if it were a Muslim reading the Bible on the bus, nobody would have said a word.

Gonzo, laughing out loud here! LOVE your little "title" or whatever it's called under your name.......and I totally agree, if a Muslim were reading a Bible on the bus, I'd be looking around for the trumpet to sound or a bomb to go off, not griping to the bus driver! You are FUNNY!

 

[Truthful Lies]

I don't care WHO is reading religious material aloud or what kind it is- There are those of us that don't want to hear it (like me).

 

[deanws]

She's available for rent...I pay you!

She did recently mouth to the girl and her mother behind us at church, "Shut up."

Yes, the girl and her mother had been talking for almost an hour.

During the hymns.

Through out the recitation of the Apostle's Creed.

Through out every part of the liturgy.

I wondered why the poor other kid was reluctant to extend her hand to me to "pass the peace." Then on the way home, my daughter told me what she did. Well, that explained a lot. I was grateful that the other mother didn't take me down in the parking lot.

We had several conversations along the lines of "Yes, people who talk in church are distracting, but we must not say SHUT UP to them. No, no, no matter how many times you gave them the evil eye. No. Really."

Maybe she can just work as Enforcer of Silence on public transportation.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I love it! LOL. I DO know how she feels. At my granddaughter's Christmas program, they TALKED THROUGH THE PRAYER!!! I wanted to scream...."Hey you fools! This is WHY you send your kids to this private school. Be respectful!" People AMAZE me!!! :slap: :slap: :slap: :slap: :slap: :croc: I used to get the "evil eye" from my grandmother. She could make your blood boil as it pumped through your veins with her "look"! LOL AND you had better quit what you were doing!

 

[deanws]

Air quotes? Don't know what that means but if you mean putting quotation marks around something I mean it to be alledged. Some homeless people are poor mentally ill folks who have no place to go, but I gotta tolerate them when they are obnoxious and when they urninated in my garage and had prostitutes giving them BJs in my parking garage in the city. Some are homeless by choice, but I gotta tolerate them and their ramblings.

Rage? Hardly. More like just fed up and frustrated with our society that expects people to tolerate the loud cell phone talking, rambling alcoholic drug addicts (who are smelly at that) and roudy baggy pants youths with music that blares "you suck my dick and I'll eat your pussy". Sorry to be so blunt but I've heard it with thine own ears. So, a lady is in trouble for reading the Bible, a bit loud maybe, but lets all just TOLERATE, since that is what we are expected to do with those who have no manners and don't want to follow societies rules. She is being singled out because she was reading the bible. You would never get away with kicking a Muslim out for reciting prayer too loudly on the bus. Never.

I didn't think you were raging. I thought about what you said and I can see your point. I TOTALY agree with you on the rest of your post. I am sick of rude and disruptive, disrespectful people too!!!:sick:

 

[deanws]

I don't care WHO is reading religious material aloud or what kind it is- There are those of us that don't want to hear it (like me).

I enjoy reading Christian matererial..but STILL would not want to listen to her yelling it on the bus (if that is what she was doing!) Loud people annoy me.

 

[pedinurse]

i hate people who are too loud anywhere... resturants, ect. especially while talking on cell phones.
but since i have had the second child... both my first child (she's lost her manners) and the second child (the baby) are too loud for me! i still take them out to eat sometimes, but the volume level is much harder to control with two.

 

[Amraann]

I think the real issue is this women was asked to quiet down and refused.
She wants to make some bit drama issue about it .. "I was just reading the bible to my children"

Whatever.. She was rude and set a bad example for the children by refusing the drivers request.

 

[deanws]

i hate people who are too loud anywhere... resturants, ect. especially while talking on cell phones.
but since i have had the second child... both my first child (she's lost her manners) and the second child (the baby) are too loud for me! i still take them out to eat sometimes, but the volume level is much harder to control with two.

I hear you! I had "sooners". I had the second child "sooner" after the first child than I should have! LOL! (IUD babies...opps...I tired not to get pregnant so fast!) Anyway:bang: As long as children are not screaming and throwing a fit...I enjoy them. I LOVE babies!!!!! :blowkiss: By the way....I got cancer before my second baby was even 6 months old. God KNEW that I needed those "sooners" when they were born and I have always felt blessed that I have my children.:angel:

 

[Paladin]

I'm a Christian and I have to say I'd be annoyed to hear a woman reading anything out loud, let alone a bible passage. There must be another way to keep your children busy while riding a bus. Annoying others isn't one of them.

 

[deanws]

I think the real issue is this women was asked to quiet down and refused.
She wants to make some bit drama issue about it .. "I was just reading the bible to my children"

Whatever.. She was rude and set a bad example for the children by refusing the drivers request.

Agreed! :bang: She would have set a better example by showing her children that they need to respect others and not disturb others. IMO:blowkiss:

 

[boody]

I didn't think you were raging. I thought about what you said and I can see your point. I TOTALY agree with you on the rest of your post. I am sick of rude and disruptive, disrespectful people too!!!:sick:

Yeah, homeless people are so arrogant and stuck up. Why can't they just like go away?

 

[Details]

I think she is rude and obnoxious, and just because it was the Bible she was reading doesn't excuse her from following the rules (which the busses there appear to actually have rules to prevent all obnoxious loud noises - whether it's this reading, music, or whatever). She's using the 'Religion' card just like some use the 'Race' card - both are valid at times, but both are also abused by people who want to use them to get away with ignoring the rules.

If the bus driver could hear her, or if others were disturbed, she was reading very loudly - busses are not quiet places. I suspect she was doing it deliberately, to preach to others, not to read to the children.

 

[LinasK]

I think she is rude and obnoxious, and just because it was the Bible she was reading doesn't excuse her from following the rules (which the busses there appear to actually have rules to prevent all obnoxious loud noises - whether it's this reading, music, or whatever). She's using the 'Religion' card just like some use the 'Race' card - both are valid at times, but both are also abused by people who want to use them to get away with ignoring the rules.

If the bus driver could hear her, or if others were disturbed, she was reading very loudly - busses are not quiet places. I suspect she was doing it deliberately, to preach to others, not to read to the children.

I agree Details, Just because she wants to read the Bible to her children, does not mean a public bus is the appropriate time and place to do it. By doing so, she is subjecting everyone else of any religious belief or not to hearing it! And it's not because she's a Christian that I'm saying that- I've also been subjected to Orthodox Jews praying on busses and I didn't think that was right either...

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Was the bus ride to the woman's church really so long that the bus driver couldn't tolerate her loud bible-reading any longer?
:loser: :banghead: :doh:

Probably not because she was being put under conviction.

I would need more information before I formed an opinion. A bus is a large vehicle, how crowded was it etc... I do know from experience God's word can hush an environment and before you know it you have gained and held everyones attention.

Maybe the Lord wanted her babies to see an actual demonic spirit in action.
Rebuking and rebelling, the word of God is a double edged sword.

If this woman was being loud and disruptive to the peace of the bus, she was in the wrong. I personally love to see a person act like they have been scratched with a scouring pad just because a simple precious word of God was spoken, it immediately discerns the persons spirit to me.

The word is a tool, it dicerns, separates and causes things to surface that otherwise people can hide and control.

 

[beakiebean]

This is clearly a case of Religious persecution against the 7th Day Adventist lady...if it were a Muslim reading the Bible on the bus, nobody would have said a word.

Lol-how would you know if the person reading the Bible were Muslim or Christian unless they announced at the beginning "I'm Muslim and I'm reading this hear Bible right now."

Far as I know you can't tell a persons religion by their appearance unless they're wearing religious attire. (even then that could be deceiving-I'm an atheist and occasionally wear my great grandmothers cross necklace because it reminds me of her.)

Becca

 

[LinasK]

:laugh:

Lol-how would you know if the person reading the Bible were Muslim or Christian unless they announced at the beginning "I'm Muslim and I'm reading this hear Bible right now."

Far as I know you can't tell a persons religion by their appearance unless they're wearing religious attire. (even then that could be deceiving-I'm an atheist and occasionally wear my great grandmothers cross necklace because it reminds me of her.)

Becca

Shame on You!:slap: You should be arrested for deceiving people, you heathen! LOL!

 

[hipmamajen]

Can we add to that people with "loud" perfume or cologne? Those of us who suffer migraines would sure appreciate them being booted from confined spaces. Scents are supposed to be subtle, not burn all the hair out of your nostrils and make your eyes catch on fire.

YES!!!!!

As far as the article, I'd like to know more about what happened. If she was reading quietly, but someone took offense to her reading material and got the driver involved, then I don't think she should have been kicked off. But, if she was reading loudly enough to ruffle all the passengers, then it doesn't matter what it was, she was out of line.

I have 4 kids, and I read all kinds of stuff to them in public, and I've never had any problems. I know I can read loudly enough for my kids to hear me, but not so loud that it spills over all over the place. I'm sure this woman could do the same, and maybe she was? I just don't know enough to be sure.

 

[deanws]

Yeah, homeless people are so arrogant and stuck up. Why can't they just like go away?

Please show me where I said this!
:loser: