Would the Govt response be different in NO.......

[LadyLuck]

Aussieblue, I am so sorry for what the people from your country had to go through here in the USA. I apologize for the leaders of New Orleans, La., and the USA. Please tell them that not all cities in the US are like that. I am glad that someone helped them out.

 

[bulletgirl2002]

Aussieblue, I am so sorry for what the people from your country had to go through here in the USA. I apologize for the leaders of New Orleans, La., and the USA. Please tell them that not all cities in the US are like that. I am glad that someone helped them out.

New Orleans was a wonderful city.....it was simply an overwhelming disaster. I am sorry the tourists got caught up in this, but it could have happened ANYWHERE. Blame the thugs not the good citizens. I think you referenced people who DID help.

 

[aussieblue]

But there are so many others too....I understand your concern for your own people, but I don't think they should be gotten out ahead of the others who live there. They are in just as much danger as the tourists.

I think your missing something here
They ONLY GOT OUT because OUR OWN MEDIA took them out.
Not your people, they didn’t get them out. ACTUALLY they abandoned them there.

A group was on a bus tour. When the evacuation started before Katrina hit the bus company (the one the tourists where with) left the tourists stranded there. These tourists aren’t just aussies, they are from all over BUT they are tourists.

The aussies said they couldn’t get help anywhere, couldn’t get a rental car, couldn’t get on any buses, nothing. They even went to the LE etc etc. They didn’t even know how to get around the city, they are tourists, strangers to that city. This was before Katrina hit even.

They road out the storm then afterwards that had to try and make their way to the convention center. That’s where they where told to go by the police.
They got there and thugs attacked them, they got run out.

They have said they owe there lives to a AA family who found them a safe place to hide from the mobs of thugs and also to the aussie media guys with the help of a police officer who smuggled them out. One aussie said "we were in the minority group that these thugs were targeting, Im not a racist colour doesnt matter to me BUT it did to these thugs".

So what I am trying to say in my posts and im trying to say it without being accused of being a racist or something (because i am not) IS these thugs are targeting and having fun doing so in attacking white/european what ever you want to call them, people. The aussie were even told by the police officer NOT TO go out of their hiding spot because these gangs where targeting whites and he was a AA police guy.

BTW in an earlier posts i did state that these aussies where frantic and saying get help in here for these people. So even after what they had gone through they were still screaming out for help for the NO people.

These people were only rescued today, so they certainly didn’t jump any queues oh and remember they were rescued by OUR OWN MEDIA. Oh and also there are still 40 trapped there

These mobs seem to have your attitude bulletgirl2002 as well as that tourist company. Since the tourists aren’t N O residents they shouldn’t be helped.

Its a good thing we aussie don’t think like that because if we did those Americans injured in the Bali bombings that we aussies airlifted out, housed, treated for injuries, took into our hospitals and even operated on PLUS flew free of charge parents/loved ones from America so they could be here with their injured loved ones to support them.
We didn’t say Aussies only, we just said "get on the plane". We had people from all countries here, we didn’t bother with red tape we put the people first ALL people.

We did the same when the Tsunami hit, since we are close to these regions our aide got there quickly (my sister was there 12 hours after it hit, medical). We didn’t discriminate when it came to helping people, we don’t go by colour nationality whatever and we especially don’t turn our backs on tourists who are in need of help in my country.

~aussieblue

 

[aussieblue]

Aussieblue, I am so sorry for what the people from your country had to go through here in the USA. I apologize for the leaders of New Orleans, La., and the USA. Please tell them that not all cities in the US are like that. I am glad that someone helped them out.

Ladyluck,

Please believe me there is NO NEED for you to apologize.

I am sitting here and I am only angry BECAUSE some have posted that tourists should not have gotten out before the others.

I have posted about the aussies who got out today, I posted that these aussies where saying get the N.O people help, they where begging for help for them.
These people where NOT blaming all the N.O people. I posted that they called these groups thugs who where attacking people.

I also posted that OUR media got them out, so how can posters complain about special treatment for the tourists when its our own people organising for them to get out.
Do you want us to sit there and wait for your lot to get us out.
BTW in one of the articles it states our government is furious because your government will not allow any of our aussie agencies into the area to help evacuate.
BUT they let in our media and others hmmmmmmmm do you see what im getting at here. They let our media in BUT not any government agencies!! So what do they (media) do 1st, they go find some of our aussies and they got them out of there.

Now it seems that your lot (government) are pissed at our media???????? Why is that i wonder??????????
We have other aussies still trapped in buildings (a church and a hotel that they know of).
Tourists that dont know the area's etc how are they suppose to go find the help if they don’t know the city etc BUT posters here are complaining about them getting special treatment sheeeesh

Im not sitting here trashing america, my heart breaks for all the people effected BUT lets face it your government/officials/what ever have stuffed this rescue effort badly and why should tourists from any country be put at risk by this stuff up. These tourists were stranded there, they didn’t get the choice of getting out.

They’ve got through the storm, through the floods and now there biggest danger is those thugs who are enjoying hunting down the minority groups.

Please remember I’m not saying all the people there are thugs and YES I know others are in danger too.

Im going to be jumped on badly for this BUT i find it so very sad that in such a disaster as this, your own people are killing and raping your own people.

I watched an interview with a Swedish (i think) guy who got evacuated out and he said he would never had thought that americans would act like they are doing towards each other and others. He was talking about the shootings, fighting and rapes.

BTW the prisoners from that jail were taken out/rescued before people from the dome and convention center were.
WHY??????
Why didn’t the just chuck them on some isolated spot. Why were they bused out before those stranded???????

I haven’t heard 1 complaint about them getting out before the others BUT there’s complaints about the tourists.

My apologies ladyluck, i addressed your post at 1st but now ive wondered from your post. This is not directed at you personally, its an open post.

Sorry its very late here 4am.

~aussieblue

 

[Mabel]

The looting and violence are being blamed mainly on members of three large gangs that reeked havock in NO prior to this disaster. These men (have to call them something) are filled with anger at the world and are, no doubt, directing much of that anger at white people. It has occured to me that whites, being in the minority in this disaster, are likely being targeted by these thugs. Aussie's post is not surprising to me.

I just hope that the rest of the world understands that most Americans, regardless of color, are not racists. Nor are they violent. I hope the fact that it was a black family that helped the tourists is noted.

I'm sorry for what your fellow countrymen have suffered, Aussie.

On the same subject, has anyone else noticed how hard CNN is working to turn this into a racial matter? I swear that idiot I watched last night (still don't know his name) was practically egging on one of his black guests, trying to get her to say that the blacks in this country are blaming the white people for the situation. And why they heck is Jessie Jackson's face all over CNN? He's not part of this.

 

[aussieblue]

New Orleans was a wonderful city.....it was simply an overwhelming disaster. I am sorry the tourists got caught up in this, but it could have happened ANYWHERE. Blame the thugs not the good citizens. I think you referenced people who DID help.

I think if you read my posts bulletgirl2002 I DID NOT blame everyone and I DID state that i am not bashing america.

I do criticise your governments/officals stuffed up plans/evacuation/rescues etc

Ive posted about what ive been watching on our tv from the aussie tourists who were rescued today AND i even stated that they were saying get the N O people help, even after what they have endured there in N O.
So how you can come about that i am blaming everyone is beyond me.

BTW it was you though who complained about the tourists getting out before the residents.
So i guess its ok to complain about the tourists BUT we arent allowed to complain about how the tourists were treated. OK i get how it goes now.

~aussieblue

~aussieblue

 

[aussieblue]

The looting and violence are being blamed mainly on members of three large gangs that reeked havock in NO prior to this disaster. These men (have to call them something) are filled with anger at the world and are, no doubt, directing much of that anger at white people. It has occured to me that whites, being in the minority in this disaster, are likely being targeted by these thugs. Aussie's post is not surprising to me.

I just hope that the rest of the world understands that most Americans, regardless of color, are not racists. Nor are they violent. I hope the fact that it was a black family that helped the tourists is noted.

I'm sorry for what your fellow countrymen have suffered, Aussie.

On the same subject, has anyone else noticed how hard CNN is working to turn this into a racial matter? I swear that idiot I watched last night (still don't know his name) was practically egging on one of his black guests, trying to get her to say that the blacks in this country are blaming the white people for the situation. And why they heck is Jessie Jackson's face all over CNN? He's not part of this.

Thank you mabel, look i've been trying to say what was said on our tv tonight and ive made a mess of it because im trying not to sound like a bigot or that im blaming all african/americans for all the trouble.

Our aussies werent even blaming all african/americans ( am i even saying that right lol) BUT they did say these thugs were hunting down (and at first the guy on tv said minority groups).
He was very frantic when he was talking, they all were. When they started talking about the rapes he said that the thugs were screaming out about getting whitey women. These aussies as well as some others (european tourists) ended up staying together for protection BUT he said they couldnt stay with the others (N O people) at the center because they were getting threatened etc.

They were moving from some place when some thugs started attacking. There was no police there, there was nothing.
The police have even told the tourists stay in hiding dont come out because of these groups wouldnt hesitate to kill them. But the guy said on tv, so we had to stay put and we couldnt even get water or anything PLUS we didnt even know where to get it or how to get to places where they were evacuating people.

The police just left them basicly because they were getting attacked too. The aussie said it is total havoc and the thugs are running it.
One of the guys said "these thugs are animals, they are raping children, the elderly, they are hunting people and all for the fun of it".

He just kept stating get those innocent people out of there.

In no way was these tourists bagging all americans and im not either.

~aussieblue

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

The looting and violence are being blamed mainly on members of three large gangs that reeked havock in NO prior to this disaster. These men (have to call them something) are filled with anger at the world and are, no doubt, directing much of that anger at white people. It has occured to me that whites, being in the minority in this disaster, are likely being targeted by these thugs. Aussie's post is not surprising to me.

I just hope that the rest of the world understands that most Americans, regardless of color, are not racists. Nor are they violent. I hope the fact that it was a black family that helped the tourists is noted.

I'm sorry for what your fellow countrymen have suffered, Aussie.

On the same subject, has anyone else noticed how hard CNN is working to turn this into a racial matter? I swear that idiot I watched last night (still don't know his name) was practically egging on one of his black guests, trying to get her to say that the blacks in this country are blaming the white people for the situation. And why they heck is Jessie Jackson's face all over CNN? He's not part of this.

Oh no, Jessie's there now? I only snicker because I was sooooo waiting for him to pop up in Crawford during out little Crawford adventure...we got Rev. Sharpton, and he raced to/from Camp Casey in his limo (until the driver got arrested!)

Is Jessie actually hitting the ground and helping with the rescue efforts, or is he also doing just a lookie-loo and saying spin, and then going back in his chauffered auto and staying in a nice cozy hotel? (Trying to stay out of the political arena here, but it does work both ways, ya know.)

 

[Mabel]

Oh no, Jessie's there now? I only snicker because I was sooooo waiting for him to pop up in Crawford during out little Crawford adventure...we got Rev. Sharpton, and he raced to/from Camp Casey in his limo (until the driver got arrested!)

Is Jessie actually hitting the ground and helping with the rescue efforts, or is he also doing just a lookie-loo and saying spin, and then going back in his chauffered auto and staying in a nice cozy hotel? (Trying to stay out of the political arena here, but it does work both ways, ya know.)

I don't know that he's actually anywhere near the disaster area. He was wearing his nice crisp well tailored suit, spouting his usual racial nonsense, and reassuring people via satellite that things will get better. I absolutely can not stand the man.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I don't know that he's actually anywhere near the disaster area. He was wearing his nice crisp well tailored suit, spouting his usual racial nonsense, and reassuring people via satellite that things will get better. I absolutely can not stand the man.

Don't tell anyone, but...neither can I :silenced:

 

[bulletgirl2002]

I think if you read my posts bulletgirl2002 I DID NOT blame everyone and I DID state that i am not bashing america.

I do criticise your governments/officals stuffed up plans/evacuation/rescues etc

Ive posted about what ive been watching on our tv from the aussie tourists who were rescued today AND i even stated that they were saying get the N O people help, even after what they have endured there in N O.
So how you can come about that i am blaming everyone is beyond me.

BTW it was you though who complained about the tourists getting out before the residents.
So i guess its ok to complain about the tourists BUT we arent allowed to complain about how the tourists were treated. OK i get how it goes now.

~aussieblue

~aussieblue

Yes, I did complain about healthy tourist people getting out before the residents who were sick and elderly. Is that fair???? I think it was handled horribly. The tourists are all out and still many of the residents are not. So what do they have to complain about?

 

[KrazyKollector]

The fault is with the government taking well over FOUR DAYS to get help to people. I totally believe there's a race issue going on here. They have no major reason to help those people - there's not financial gain for the government. That's why they're taking their sweet ol' time...I have absolutely no doubt that if the majority of the people involved were porcelain white and filthy rich this would NOT be happening.
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First of all, New Orleans is surround by incredibly affluent, porcelain white suburbs. It's not all black.

Secondly, there is a BIG flaw in your theory. New Orleans is a MAJOR PORT. It is INCREDIBLY important to the oil and gas industry. The entire country is taking a big, big hit financially because of the destruction of New Orleans. Have you seen gas stations closing down because there is no more gas in the pumps? Heard the stories of the rising prices of gas? (By the way, we aint seen nothing yet, guys.)

The sooner those who are stranded in New Orleans are evacuated, the sooner the cleanup can begin and the sooner that port is back online. Major, major financial reason to get it done as quickly as possible.

GREAT posts kgeaux! ITA! I don't consider this a race issue at all. I think it's just another way to politicize the situation. I'm waiting with dread to see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton screaming from the podiums.

ALL levels of government failed but the brunt lies at the state and local level. They had a prison that flooded for crying out loud! Where did they think they were going to put them? Did some get out? Are they the ones having a field day shooting at rescuers? I heard on CNN that some rescuers were trapped in a building because of the gunfire and a firefighter had been shot. He isn't the only one either, if memory serves.

Dropping food and water via copter to the CC or SD would only work if the people let it. They shot at the copters, so it wouldn't be above my imagination that they could try and down the copter when it is dropping supplies. It just can't "drop them, it has to lower them and you have to have people unhook it and not try and jump on the pallets thinking it's their way out.

In a nutshell, I am tired of the race card being dealt like a royal flush. It's gotten old and it divides, not unites. :doh: on me--that's why it's dealt! Silly me.

 

[bulletgirl2002]

Ladyluck,

Please believe me there is NO NEED for you to apologize.

I am sitting here and I am only angry BECAUSE some have posted that tourists should not have gotten out before the others.
~aussieblue

I still don't understand why you think the tourists should have priority???? I am not attacking you, but can you explain why you feel that way?

 

[KrazyKollector]

Here's something some might find interesting. Note the different captions, and note the different race of the people in the pictures.

Since the second sentence makes no grammatical sense, I have to assume it's been altered. Perhaps by those dealing the race card royal flush?

 

[Details]

They road out the storm then afterwards that had to try and make their way to the convention center. That’s where they where told to go by the police.
They got there and thugs attacked them, they got run out.

They have said they owe there lives to a AA family who found them a safe place to hide from the mobs of thugs and also to the aussie media guys with the help of a police officer who smuggled them out. One aussie said "we were in the minority group that these thugs were targeting, Im not a racist colour doesnt matter to me BUT it did to these thugs".

So what I am trying to say in my posts and im trying to say it without being accused of being a racist or something (because i am not) IS these thugs are targeting and having fun doing so in attacking white/european what ever you want to call them, people. The aussie were even told by the police officer NOT TO go out of their hiding spot because these gangs where targeting whites and he was a AA police guy.

Yeah, I noticed when they were showing some buses at the Astrodome that the buses seemed to be segregated - most of them were all black, then there was a group that was all white. From all I've seen on the news, New Orleans seems to me to have been a very sick city. Might be a very good thing to have everyone dispersed to see how other cities work.

I read a very troubling bit from an elderly black woman who was talking about being passed over for rescue by a black national guard troup, then helped by a white woman - it was odd - she seemed to be angry at whites because the black (she described them this way) national guardsmen didn't stop to help her, but when she did get help from a white woman, she just thought, OK, there's one white person who exists who isn't racist... I don't know if it's a difference of the South or what, but this all seems so odd to me - and I have had black friends with whom I've had very in depth conversations about race and racism - and none of them thought the way this woman did. I can only assume it's the environment there that is very antagonistic.

Add that to the reports of what those sick looters are doing, the rapes, murders in a dying city, firing at rescuers - it's unbelievable.

New Orleans just seems like a sick place in general - so much racism trouble, so much poverty, such lower than animal behavior from the gangs, so much stupid political inefficiency, corruption - I'd never want it to happen this way, but with what the floodwaters revealled, I think it may be best that New Orleans never again is reborn as it was before. The culture there is sick - dispersing it to see other ways of existing might help heal it.

 

[bulletgirl2002]

Since the second sentence makes no grammatical sense, I have to assume it's been altered. Perhaps by those dealing the race card royal flush?

Yes, it really pisses me off when people bring race into the equation here. We can't do anything about the demographics of New Orleans. When 70% of the residents are Black, most of the victims will be black. The hurricaine and water didn t care. Both killed black and white. I think a lot of the atrocities are being committed by gangs who happen to be black gangs. They were kept in check with the threat of LE in the past, but now are reveling in being able to kill, steal and rape.

 

[Beyond Belief]

That was an interesting find. I am wondering what the date of the second photo was. I hope everybody ate every thing they could loot or find however you want to put it. Those gangs in there have caused all the problems for everyone.

 

[KrazyKollector]

Look. I lived in Baton Rouge, and the blacks lived right down the street from me in shacks. So I've LIVED IT.
I thought I was trying to say I try very hard not to be prejudiced of a group. But I fully understand the culture differences.

I am a Southern Lady, but a rare old-tyme democrat. I am just trying to repeat what I'm hearing about looters and so forth. I don't mean to offend anyone; I'm calling it like it is. Like a reporter.

But as always happens to me, when I try to be honest, things get "snitty" and I get in tears and just don't want to post anymore. My blood pressure is high enough already. If y'all don't want reporting and what they're saying in the hosptials here, fine. I'll shut up.

Thank you, Ntegrity! (why in the world should we be fighting and picking on each other when we're just trying to figure out a horrible tragedy. Give me a break)

I thought your post was just fine. I totally understand what you were saying too. There ARE cultural differences. Jeeze Louise! In fact, every city, state and country in the world has it's "thing". Chicago pizza, NYC cheesecake, Englands fish and chips and Yorkshire pudding.

The people in NO have a unique blended culture. It is centuries in the making and not diluted over the years, as other cultures have done. Many, if not most of the black people in NO have a different culture than the black people living in Boston or NYC. The Cajun people are culturally different from the "old time" Southern ladies.

Every comment that mentions a difference between cultures or races is not a golden opportunity to throw down the race card.

Build a bridge and get over it already. :boohoo:

 

[Mabel]

Since the second sentence makes no grammatical sense, I have to assume it's been altered. Perhaps by those dealing the race card royal flush?

I agree. The caption for the second picture has definitely been altered. Someone is trying to stir up trouble.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I agree. The caption for the second picture has definitely been altered. Someone is trying to stir up trouble.

It hasn't been altered!

Someone posted it here and must have sent to to MSNBC because the next day they did a story using the exact same media photos & captions.