Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #2

[Betty P]

To Dr. Phil? Really? Why would witnesses want to go on Dr. Phil? They talked to detectives immediately following Rebecca's death. That is the proper authority to speak with, not Dr. Phil!

Besides, Dina did not have the investigative files on Rebeca's death. She has just recently obtained them as a result of this civil case against her, so how would she have made that information public?


But the Zahau's have seen this information. It is in their investigative files. Ann Rule saw it too, and put it in her book.

I don't know why the Zahaus would pursue this when they know Dina has witnesses. My guess is they thought the Shacknais would settle it, but IMO, that won't happen. If the case is dismissed due to lack of evidence' the Zahaus could be responsible for the court costs of Dina, Nina, and Adam. So they are taking quite a gamble.

BBM

How do you know that Dina recently obtained the investigative files for RZ's death? Just curious. Has she also been deposed?

 

[Ausgirl]

If twenty-four hours prior to her death, then Tuesday around 2 a.m. until Wednesday 2 a.m. If Tuesday, Adam was not at the mansion until 8 pm, so any searches from 2 am until 8 pm could not have been from him.

And if it was him searching on Rebecca's computer, using Rebecca's account, where are his fingerprints. Surely, he would not have had gloves on while using the computer. The Zahaus don't allege gloves were worn until after Rebecca is unknocked unconcious in their murder theory.

Bold 1: Exactly. So where's that information? It has been released by NObody.

Bold 2: Latex glove was found with "mixed" dna. Latex gloves generally come in BOXES of latex gloves and are pulled out individually like tissues. Where's the box? Where's distinct DNA from the person who last wore it? Where'd the ONE latex glove come from? If I was going to commit a crime, or google how-tos for a crime, or search google for inspiration for a crime, I'd choose those gloves. I'd just be careful not to leave any behind.

eta: If it's ever released that the searches occurred --before-- Adam arrived, I'd be more than happy to reconsider my opinion.

so it was sometime on Monday

--- Stating the "day before" wasn't Tueday is just WRONG. Yet, you keep doing it?

 

[LuckyLucy2]

BBM

How do you know that Dina recently obtained the investigative files for RZ's death? Just curious. Has she also been deposed?

As part of this civll case, she was able to request the files. It is on the court docket.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Bold 1: Exactly. So where's that information? It has been released by NObody.

Bold 2: Latex glove was found with "mixed" dna. Latex gloves generally come in BOXES of latex gloves and are pulled out individually like tissues. Where's the box? Where's distinct DNA from the person who last wore it? Where'd the ONE latex glove come from? If I was going to commit a crime, or google how-tos for a crime, or search google for inspiration for a crime, I'd choose those gloves. I'd just be careful not to leave any behind.

eta: If it's ever released that the searches occurred --before-- Adam arrived, I'd be more than happy to reconsider my opinion.

--- Stating the "day before" wasn't Tueday is just WRONG. Yet, you keep doing it?

The times that the was viewed was in the investigative files, so the Zahaus know when the computer was searched, and now, so does Dina.

The gloves are also sold in pairs of 10 or so at craft stores, and also come in haircoloring boxes. My guess is Rebecca got them out to use when she painted the door, and forgot to put them on, or put them on briefly, then took them off. She had too much paint on her hands and fingers to have used them the entire time.

And thank you for pointing out my error. You are correct. The searches were sometime between 1 or 2 a.m. Tuesday to 1 or 2 a.m. Wednesday. I revised my earlier posts to reflect such.

 

[Ausgirl]

So why's there no paint on the glove?

Or, for that matter, no conclusive dna on the glove? Even brief contact would leave skin cells due to the drag of the glove pulled over the skin.

Coulda popped out when her murderers pulled theirs from the pack/box, and actually be an *unused* glove.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

So why's there no paint on the glove?

Or, for that matter, no conclusive dna on the glove? Even brief contact would leave skin cells due to the drag of the glove pulled over the skin.

Coulda popped out when her murderers pulled theirs from the pack/box, and actually be an *unused* glove.

Like I said in the post you quoted, "maybe she forgot to put them on".

Since the Zahaus alledge that the plan to murder Rebecca was hatched on the spot and not premeditated, why would Dina, Nina, or Adam have shown up with a pack or box of gloves?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I'm sure that finding some "raped, sexy Asian girls" was top priority for Rebecca that night. Wouldn't all of us want to view violent degrading at a time like that?

 

[LuckyLucy2]

I agree. But nevertheless, that's what seems to have happened, and part of how Rebecca came up with her suicide plan.

 

[Ausgirl]

LL, I have to ask you -- and I am not being snarky, I am genuinely asking you in case there's an explanation I've missed -- how would YOU account for those many small abrasions across Rebecca's back in areas that would have been covered by her bound arms? And yet the arms themselves do not have similar patterns? Taking ALL of the evidence into consideration.. I would be interested in what you think, there.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

LL, I have to ask you -- and I am not being snarky, I am genuinely asking you in case there's an explanation I've missed -- how would YOU account for those many small abrasions across Rebecca's back in areas that would have been covered by her bound arms? And yet the arms themselves do not have similar patterns? Taking ALL of the evidence into consideration.. I would be interested in what you think, there.

Rebecca's arms were not bound down, just tied together (with about a 2" gap between, IIRC). IMO, her arms would have moved up and down quite easily, and moved quite a bit in the fall, and in any subsequent swinging she may have done. I see no problem at all with where the small puncture wounds and scratches are.

As you can see in these two photos, the tree with the thorns was right under and just to the left of where Rebecca jumped or fell from.

 

[Ausgirl]

Just a thought on the "absent" underwear (though it *could* have been in the guesthouse with Adam, as those panties were unbelievably never tested...) -- while it's true some women like to "go commando", I cannot imagine anyone doing so who is spotting vaginally.

And if Rebecca was bleeding enough to leave drops in the shower, smears on her body, etc -- where's the blood on her jeans/undies? I think every woman who gets her period would kow, the bleeding has to be fairly well in progress to actually drip out, onto the floor. How'd she manage to not get blood in the intimate regions of her clothes?

 

[Ausgirl]

Rebecca's arms were not bound down, just tied together (with about a 2" gap between, IIRC). IMO, her arms would have moved up and down quite easily, and moved quite a bit in the fall, and in any subsequent swinging she may have done. I see no problem at all with where the small puncture wounds and scratches are.

As you can see in these two photos, the tree with the thorns was right under and just to the left of where Rebecca jumped or fell from.

I do appreciate you taking the time to explain that. Thank you.

I can actually see how close the plants are. But the other thing I notice is - the deciduous tree is an infant tree, and the branches are thin at the edges. The cactus is a fleshy, succulent plant, and while I am not familiar in person with that particular species, I am familiar with analogous species from here -- and what I know about these large succulents is, their 'branches' are not hard, and easily snap.

So while I can see a case for perhaps the back injuires -- the pics provided do a LOT to disprove the idea that the plants caused any kind of trauma hard enough to produce subgaleal hemorrhage.

And the case of the cactus, 100 pounds of sudden head-first impact *should* have caused visible and obvious damage to the plant.

 

[Ausgirl]

Okay - and going on my "expertise" with bindings, I'm trying to imagine Rebecca falling ONTO that fleshy cactus plant, head first (so as cause the scalp injuries) -- with *some* limited vertical arm movement allowed by the binding (as pointed out by LL and to which I can attest, there would have been movement possible, up and down to a limited degree) --- hitting only the RIGHT side of her head on the relatively soft plants with a long-drop 100-pound impact -- yet not damaging the plants at all -- and leaving pattern abrasions on almost every surface of her back -- yet NO corresponding abrasions on her arms.

Makes NO sense. Sorry, but it just does not.

Really, I can only see her *whole* back injured that way if she fell feet-first and the plants got wedged up under her arms. But then - again, you'd expect a succulent plant to have more damage, and bits of plant to be embedded in her flesh and/or the binding ropes.... and that would not explain the head injuries.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

It makes perfect sense to me, as it did to LE. The one tree I would not consider "an infant", since it is about 10 feet tall or so, and the cactus type plant is not soft, and does not break easily. But it does have lots of little spines that would make those puncture marks on Rebecca's back. Her head could have also hit the wall, if she swung after jumping/falling.

As for the blood, Rebecca was not on her menstral cycle. She had an IUD and was spotting. It happens sometimes, especially when one is under stress, could have started when she took a warm or hot shower, and she may have not even realized she was "spotting".

 

[Ausgirl]

What is the succulent species? If the limbs are hard as hardwood, I could see head injuries and no breakage under a long drop full body, head first impact (though head first would negate the extensive back abrasions). It would be worthwhile researching the exact species, IMO.

And lol, a 10 foot deciduous tree *is* an infant. There's no hard wood to those branches at all, just strappy young green wood.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Bold 1: Exactly. So where's that information? It has been released by NObody.

Bold 2: Latex glove was found with "mixed" dna. Latex gloves generally come in BOXES of latex gloves and are pulled out individually like tissues. Where's the box? Where's distinct DNA from the person who last wore it? Where'd the ONE latex glove come from? If I was going to commit a crime, or google how-tos for a crime, or search google for inspiration for a crime, I'd choose those gloves. I'd just be careful not to leave any behind.

eta: If it's ever released that the searches occurred --before-- Adam arrived, I'd be more than happy to reconsider my opinion.



--- Stating the "day before" wasn't Tueday is just WRONG. Yet, you keep doing it?

If I was going to google a how to on a crime, I wouldn't use their computer

 

[bourne]

If I was going to google a how to on a crime, I wouldn't use their computer

Unless you the murderer wanted to *plant* evidence on the victim's computer. If you wanted to make it look like the murdered victim (Rebecca in this case) was using her computer to look up "Asian anime " in order to paint a humiliating picture of Rebecca in death for the world to see, you would be using Rebecca's computers to do so.

Therefore, it's obvious to me that the search on Rebecca's computer was clearly *planted* by her murderer(s), particularly given the fact that Rebecca did not have a behavioral history of viewing .

Think about it. You never watched before. Suddenly the police find "Asian anime " on your computer upon your bizarre death in the nude, feet and hands bind behind your back, a gag in your mouth with a noose around your neck. Really? You want your family and friends and the public to jump to the conclusion that you did those web searches yourself right before you took your life? Makes *zero* sense.

 

[bourne]

I'm sure that finding some "raped, sexy Asian girls" was top priority for Rebecca that night. Wouldn't all of us want to view violent degrading at a time like that?

I'm with you. It's self-evident that Rebecca's murderer(s) planted the searches on Rebecca's computer for pure, vindictive humiliation of Rebecca. They weren't able to humiliate Rebecca while Rebecca was alive because Rebecca was a strong, dignified person. So Rebeca's murderers did their best to humiliate Rebecca in her death.

 

[bourne]

If twenty-four hours prior to her death, then Tuesday around 2 a.m. until Wednesday 2 a.m. If Tuesday, Adam was not at the mansion until 8 pm, so any searches from 2 am until 8 pm could not have been from him.

And if it was him searching on Rebecca's computer, using Rebecca's account, where are his fingerprints. Surely, he would not have had gloves on while using the computer. The Zahaus don't allege gloves were worn until after Rebecca is unknocked unconcious in their murder theory.

Police never indicated they even dusted the computers for prints/DNA. So how do you know Adam's and/or other defendants (Dina, Nina)'s prints were not found on the computers?

 

[bourne]

Both things are true. Dina was locate by cell phone triangulation, and she had witnesses. Gore never said that the cell phone triagulation was all they did. No, they spoke with witnesses, too.

And yes, I am quoting Ann Rule. She is the only person that has seen the investigation files that has written about it.

Will believe Dina has witnesses when I see/hear of them in the depos. Otherwise this is all exaggerated *hearsay*.