Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #2

[LuckyLucy2]

Ann Rules book is non-fiction, true crime. She wrote with the investigative files handy and the Zahaus and Anne Bremner as her sources. So yes, there are true facts, and there are also "theories" about what happened. It is clear which is which.

Just because what she says doesn't fit the murder theorie(s) doesn't make it not true.

Such as this fact: There is a picture in Ruls's book of the woman Boune claims was Dina in front of the mansion on the morning of July 11 standing with other detectives. Ann Rule clearly identies this woman as Detective Angela Tsuida. [modsnip]

 

[LuckyLucy2]

No. At which point in time did Rebecca have time to search for "Asian anime bond "? And why Asian anime? And why would she want to shock Jonah? Remember, his voicemail doesn't exist. So you can't say it's because he dumped her or told her that Max was not recovering.

She had Monday evening into early Tuesday morning, Tuesday morning, and Tuesday after 8 pm. You would have to ask Rebecca why Asian anime. Or perhaps Jonah knows. I have a geeling it was something between them, but that is just a guess. And we still don't know what was in the letter that was addressed to Jonah in the room REbecca hung herself from, do we?

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Good grief. Yes, we know according to Ann Rule's book, Ann Rule wrote there were witnesses. But if these witnesses exist, why haven't they testified on Dina's behalf? Why go through this whole "charade" of legal WDS in both federal and state courts? Why, Dina has too much time and money on her hands? Why not simply ask these witnesses to provide her with this ironclad alibi you speak of?

I'll tell you why. It's because Dina has no witnesses to support that she was in the hospital sitting vigil the entire Tues night into Wed morning when cops were called and found Rebecca lying dead in the Spreckels courtyard. Dina has NO alibi.

Witnesses don't testify at this point in the proceedings, that's why. It is not even in a court room yet, where do you expect these witnesses to testify?

Dina has never been accused of anything exept by the Zahaus. She was cleared by the SDSO, DOJ, and FBI. They spoke to the LE investigating...the proper channel to speak to.

That will be in the court documents, and I would almost bet it was brought up in today's meeting.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

She had Monday evening into early Tuesday morning, Tuesday morning, and Tuesday after 8 pm. You would have to ask Rebecca why Asian anime. Or perhaps Jonah knows. I have a geeling it was something between them, but that is just a guess. And we still don't know what was in the letter that was addressed to Jonah in the room REbecca hung herself from, do we?

I believe her entire suicide was a message to Jonah - a clear message that only he would understand.

 

[Frigga]

Good grief. Yes, we know according to Ann Rule's book, Ann Rule wrote there were witnesses. But if these witnesses exist, why haven't they testified on Dina's behalf? Why go through this whole "charade" of legal WDS in both federal and state courts? Why, Dina has too much time and money on her hands? Why not simply ask these witnesses to provide her with this ironclad alibi you speak of?

[modsnip]

Exactly! No one would wait for depositions or trial to COME FORWARD WITH WITNESS ALABI'S PROVING YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY NOT THERE. No way. No how. It makes no sense if you are innocent and have proof.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Exactly! No one would wait for depositions or trial to COME FORWARD WITH WITNESS ALABI'S PROVING YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY NOT THERE. No way. No how. It makes no sense if you are innocent and have proof.

Where are they witnesses suppose to "come forward"? It is not even in the court room yet. You can rest assured they "came forward" to law enforcment back in July of 2011. To say they should "come forward" does not make sense. The Zahaus have the files that would have their statements. Who else were they suppose to "come forward" to - besides law enforcement?

 

[kittychi]

Where are they witnesses suppose to "come forward"? It is not even in the court room yet. You can rest assured they "came forward" to law enforcment back in July of 2011. To say they should "come forward" does not make sense. The Zahaus have the files that would have their statements. Who else were they suppose to "come forward" to - besides law enforcement?

It seems to me that way before the Wrongful Death suit moved forward, Dina's lawyers would have provided witness affidavits attesting to her whereabouts. At that point the Zahaus would have had to withdraw the suit. I can't imagine that Dina wants to keep paying lawyer fees at this point if she has witnesses who will make statements that place her somewhere other than the scene of the crime.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^ To whom would have Dina's lawyers provided these witness affidavits to?

There is not a Judge or Jury available to provided anything to at this time, nor has there been one to provided anything to. The Judge has only ruled that the case met the requirements to go forward.

The Judge has not looked at any evidence at this point. They are not even at that point in the proceedings. So again, to whom would this information be provided?

 

[kittychi]

^ To whom would have Dina's lawyers provided there witness affidavits to?

There is not a Judge or Jury available to provided anything to at this time, nor has there been one to provided anything to. The Judge has only ruled that the case met the requirements to go forward.

The Judge has not looked at any evidence at this point. They are not even at that point in the proceedings. So again, to whom would this information be provided?

To Dr. Phil? To anyone that she was publicly talking with after she was accused of murder well over a year ago. Don't you think the Zahaus would have withdrawn the suit if they had seen this information? Don't you think the Zahaus may have already explored the idea that Dina, in fact, has no alibi?

 

[LuckyLucy2]

To Dr. Phil? To anyone that she was publicly talking with after she was accused of murder well over a year ago. Don't you think the Zahaus would have withdrawn the suit if they had seen this information?

To Dr. Phil? Really? Why would witnesses want to go on Dr. Phil? They talked to detectives immediately following Rebecca's death. That is the proper authority to speak with, not Dr. Phil!

Besides, Dina did not have the investigative files on Rebeca's death. She has just recently obtained them as a result of this civil case against her, so how would she have made that information public?

But the Zahau's have seen this information. It is in their investigative files. Ann Rule saw it too, and put it in her book.

I don't know why the Zahaus would pursue this when they know Dina has witnesses. My guess is they thought the Shacknais would settle it, but IMO, that won't happen. If the case is dismissed due to lack of evidence' the Zahaus could be responsible for the court costs of Dina, Nina, and Adam. So they are taking quite a gamble.

 

[justice be served]

To Dr. Phil? Really? Why would witnesses want to go on Dr. Phil? They talked to detectives immediately following Rebecca's death. That is the proper authority to speak with, not Dr. Phil!

Besides, Dina did not have the investigative files on Rebeca's death. She has just recently obtained them as a result of this civil case against her, so how would she have made that information public?

But the Zahau's have seen this information. It is in their investigative files. Ann Rule saw it too, and put it in her book.
I don't know why the Zahaus would pursue this when they know Dina has witnesses. My guess is they thought the Shacknais would settle it, but IMO, that won't happen. If the case is dismissed due to lack of evidence' the Zahaus could be responsible for the court costs of Dina, Nina, and Adam. So they are taking quite a gamble.

Yes the Zahaus have seen the information or, better said, the lack of evidence giving an alibi. She doesn't have anything better than cell phone triangulation, read the files if you have forgotten. And that lack of alibi came from the lips of dear Sheriff Gore. And THAT is why they are suing and WILL NOT be paying the defense's lawyer fees.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^ She also has witnesses that say she was at the hospital all night according to Ann Rule, which is what we were discussing. IMO, they are probably the nurses that were attending Max.

 

[justice be served]

^ She also has witnesses that say she was at the hospital all night according to Ann Rule, which is what we were discussing. IMO, they are probably the nurses that were attending Max.

Oh, are we back to quoting Ann Rule again? Do you think Ann Rule's word is above the great Sheriff Gore? I think not.

 

[Ausgirl]

Adam went to the guest house, and Rebecca went upstairls to the master bedroom, and the computer/guest room.

^ And WHO provided that claim to police?

Adam Shacknai, the guy with the inconclusive lie detector results.

There's STILL no publicly available timeline, for those viewings of . Though a simple search of the browser history would have revealed EXACT times for those searches, every single one of them. NOWHERE do either Gore or Ann Rule or Bremner or ANYone else say "the browser history PROVES Rebecca was alone in the house" or "the browser history PROVES the searches occurred after Adam Shacknai arrived at the mansion" -- for all we know, "within 24 hours" could also mean "within FOUR hours".

NObody can state with any certainty WHEN those searches occurred, exactly, without access to the forensic computer investigation files. There WAS a proper forensic computer investigation done, right? Then there should be PROOF of the exact times on record. My 16 yo could collect browser search records off the computer (probably for several years now). There's NO way those records do not exist.

So why has NObody kiboshed the notion that Adam searched in the house by saying "well, we see someone searched for hentai at 1pm the day prior to discovery of Rebecca's body, and Adam wasn't there yet, the end". Why wouldn't Gore, in his rigorous defense of the police findings, simply state that?

This is just a small part of the information I truly hope is revealed in court.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Oh, are we back to quoting Ann Rule again? Do you think Ann Rule's word is above the great Sheriff Gore? I think not.

Both things are true. Dina was locate by cell phone triangulation, and she had witnesses. Gore never said that the cell phone triagulation was all they did. No, they spoke with witnesses, too.

And yes, I am quoting Ann Rule. She is the only person that has seen the investigation files that has written about it.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^ And WHO provided that claim to police?

Adam Shacknai, the guy with the inconclusive lie detector results.

There's STILL no publicly available timeline, for those viewings of . Though a simple search of the browser history would have revealed EXACT times for those searches, every single one of them. NOWHERE do either Gore or Ann Rule or Bremner or ANYone else say "the browser history PROVES Rebecca was alone in the house" or "the browser history PROVES the searches occurred after Adam Shacknai arrived at the mansion" -- for all we know, "within 24 hours" could also mean "within FOUR hours".

NObody can state with any certainty WHEN those searches occurred, exactly, without access to the forensic computer investigation files. There WAS a proper forensic computer investigation done, right? Then there should be PROOF of the exact times on record. My 16 yo could collect browser search records off the computer (probably for several years now). There's NO way those records do not exist.

So why has NObody kiboshed the notion that Adam searched in the house by saying "well, we see someone searched for hentai at 1pm the day prior to discovery of Rebecca's body, and Adam wasn't there yet, the end". Why wouldn't Gore, in his rigorous defense of the police findings, simply state that?

This is just a small part of the information I truly hope is revealed in court.

If it had been the last four hours of Rebecca's life, Ann Rule would have stated so. Instead, she said "24 hours", and, Anne Bremner said it was the day before her death (see link below) - so it was sometime between1 or 2 a.m. Tueday and 1 or 2 am Wednesday. Adam was not there until 8 pm Tuesday.

No, IMO, it was only Rebecca who had access to her computer and her account early Tuesday am, and the time to view .

Attorney: 'Bondage ' found on Coronado mansion computer

During a seven-week investigation into Zahau's death, investigators at the San Diego Regional Computer Forensics Laboratory took a close look at at least two computers inside the mansion, said Zahau family attorney Anne Bremner.

On at least one of the computers, the forensic examination found , according to comments posted Friday evening on Bremner's Facebook page.

In a phone interview with News 8, Bremner later confirmed that more than a dozen searches of sexual content – using terms like "raped, sexy Asian girls, and bondage anime" – were accessed on a computer the day before Zahau's death.

"It's important to the investigation because there is an image from anime, and its called bond anime and it shows an Asian women bound; at least her hands are bound behind her back," said the Seattle-based attorney

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/1608363...nsion-computer

 

[Inparadise]

Adam arrived on a Continental flight around 4pm on Tuesday.

 

[Ausgirl]

the day before Zahau's death

.... was Tuesday. :facepalm:

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Yes, he arrived at the airport at 4 pm, but was not at the masion until approximately 8 pm. Adam and Rebecca went to the hospital, then they went with Jonah to dinner, then went back to the hospital, and then Adam and Rebecca went home. It was 8 pm in Coronado, 10 pm in Memphis, where Adam had flown from.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

.... was Tuesday. :facepalm:

If twenty-four hours prior to her death, then Tuesday around 2 a.m. until Wednesday 2 a.m. If Tuesday, Adam was not at the mansion until 8 pm, so any searches from 2 am until 8 pm could not have been from him.

And if it was him searching on Rebecca's computer, using Rebecca's account, where are his fingerprints. Surely, he would not have had gloves on while using the computer. The Zahaus don't allege gloves were worn until after Rebecca is unknocked unconcious in their murder theory.