Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #2

[K_Z]

So, I had a spare minute, and I called ADT Security, and spoke with 3 individuals in the tech department. (One is a supervisor.) I asked how long the event history for a specific residential property would be maintained, and if a specific event history could be pulled up several years later.

The phone technicians have limited access to the event history on their screens-- ranging from about a month of data, up to a year on the outer limit. They explained that the time range would be determined by the event history, and how many events occurred.

The supervisor said that a detailed event history could be mailed out for approximately 3 years of data at the most. He said there might be some occurrences archived a bit longer, but his information was about 3 years of back data would be archived.

So given that info, I wonder if it's possible ADT doesn't actually have the info for Spreckles 2010-2011 that DS's attorneys have requested? Interesting.

 

[*Lash*]

Much appreciated KZ

I wonder if the security system was simply no longer under contract, but then it should have been easy to provide info to Dina's attorneys. The documents states no one has attempted to quash or object to the subpoena. I assume that includes Jonah or could there be a privacy delay? 2010-2011 is over 3 years. If it is a matter of too much time has passed, one would think it would be easy for ADT to simply comply stating the records no longer exist.

 

[K_Z]

The really interesting part of the security system issue is that several people have said that the system was not engaged for long periods of time, maybe weeks.

Remember the typically unlocked back door that was reported?

So, I'm not exactly sure how that info on the security system might help Dina's case. Particularly if the ADT records do exist, and show the system disengaged for long stretches of time. And that she may have know this, from previously living in the house.

Does anyone remember what or who was the source of the info about the back door being habitually unlocked and the security system disengaged?

 

[screecher]

It sure would damning if those records absolutely show her skulking, lurking and entering the mansion. Perhaps Dina wants to be sure nothing is on there before she moves ahead with this case?

 

[Carioca]

Thanks SO much K_Z for the copies of the ADT subpoena!

Ann Rule's book: "There was one thing no one but a very few people knew: the back door of the mansion was never locked. Jonah, Adam, Becky, and Dina -- who had once lived there -- knew that. Possibly Nina did, too."

excerpt from Fatal Friends, Deadly Neighbors (Ann Rule's Crime Files)

From the Sept 2, 2011 PC:
LAWTON
There is an alarm system in the house but it is not used regularly -- regularly not used.

 

[Carioca]

Hmmm...wonder if Jonah has been/will be subpoenaed to give a deposition as to Dina's unstable state of mind regarding her actions and statements before Rebecca's murder and after.

According to Search Warrant 11-165, Jonah was interviewed twice: on the morning of July 13 by Detective H. Lebitski and D. Hillen, and again on July 15. IMO he would have been questioned extensively about Dina's demeanor and her reaction to Rebecca's death. The tapes of the interviews would surely be used as evidence. JMO

 

[kittychi]

Thanks for reminding of how STOOOPIDly odd the SDSO investigation was from the very start@! A silly South Korean cinematic soap opera is TAKEN INTO EVIDENCE....But, for 30 days NO ONE felt it was relevant to retrieve the messages on Rebecca's phone???? Oh yah, oh yah, oh yah...and they also photographed the pink Coach w-r-i-s-t-l-e-t........
What "lulu explanation" do you have for failing to retrieve critical phone info in a timely manner? (I just gotta hear this one, too.)

I would also like to know why bank accounts / credit card accounts were not checked to see when, where and by whom the "supplies" were purchased. This information would have been easy to check...either to use it or eliminate it as evidence.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have never read that this took place.

 

[kittychi]

So, I had a spare minute, and I called ADT Security, and spoke with 3 individuals in the tech department. (One is a supervisor.) I asked how long the event history for a specific residential property would be maintained, and if a specific event history could be pulled up several years later.

The phone technicians have limited access to the event history on their screens-- ranging from about a month of data, up to a year on the outer limit. They explained that the time range would be determined by the event history, and how many events occurred.

The supervisor said that a detailed event history could be mailed out for approximately 3 years of data at the most. He said there might be some occurrences archived a bit longer, but his information was about 3 years of back data would be archived.

So given that info, I wonder if it's possible ADT doesn't actually have the info for Spreckles 2010-2011 that DS's attorneys have requested? Interesting.

I wonder too, if police ever requested ADT records at the time. I would wager that they did not. One has to ask again, why not?

My theory has always been that the longer things in this case can be intentionally ignored, stalled, delayed or blocked, the farther down the truth gets buried. Beginning with not checking phone records immediately..."hey, wait 30 days, there won't be anything there!" Zahau's being stymied at every turn to get into the home early on, the "fake" home sale by Jonah, the door painted over, etc., etc. Geez, they couldn't do enough, fast enough to bury this.

I so admire the Zahaus for staying with it despite the huge blockade in their way.

 

[SophieRose]

Lulu2, No, I don't know Rebecca (or anyone in all of South Korea) mimicked the suicide of a character in a vintage, foreign language movie (remade at least 8 times in different cultural genres....Danish, Japanese, American, French etc) with subtitles about older men who can't seem to keep their pants on when a young girl without economic means moves into the household. However, I believe, YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE THE FILM IS RELEVANT.

South Korean "rubber shoe and handkerchief" movies are just boiler plate soap operas and the theme of over half the movies produced after the Korean War.
YOU KNOW.... the Korean War, 38th parallel in the 1950's? If I were to believe the soap opera of the Housemaid was relevant, then I would also have to believe that M.A.S.H. was also a true depiction of American medical field during the Korean War. Bulletin: it ain't so LULU2.....it is just make believe theater. Lulu2, it is OK if you disagree with me. And as a gesture of my willingness to accept criticism, I would gladly encourage you to binge watch all the over-acted
S Korean films, for a week....I'll supply the popcorn and handkerchiefs at my own expense. Lulu2, I read and feel your beliefs...I get it.

Did you watch the 1960 version or the 2010 remake of The Housemaid? The DVD of the remake was released June 7, 2011.

 

[MyBelle]

I believe for most everyone, a doctor calling their child "braindead" is the equivalent of their pronouncing their child "dead". After all, a child who is braindead is essentially a vegetable. The braindead child would not be able to wake up, which means the child would NEVER be able to walk, talk, eat, play soccer, laugh, read stories, perform on stage, etc.

Therefore, I have absolutely no doubt that, when, according to Nina's crosstalk interview, Dr. Peterson abruptly told Dina that Tues evening that Max would "never walk or talk again", in other words, BRAINDEAD, Dina the self-proclaimed "doctor" and "scientist" took his words for what it meant. And then Dina sought her sadistic and heinous, humiliating vengeance upon Rebecca for her one and only child's BRAINDEATH for according to Dina and Nina's continual interviews, "because Rebecca never performed CPR within 2 minutes" (in other words, never saved Max) and that led to Max's brain death. And Rebecca's murder was most vile and degrading, equipped sensationally with noose, gag, RED ropes, feet and hands tied behind her back, nudity...And let's not forget the infamous painted cryptic message on door "SHE SAVED HIM CAN YOU SAVE HER" which aha, makes perfect sense within its context, doesn't it?

A reasonable jury would clearly see how Dina's blame game came to be that fateful Tuesday evening from Dr. Peterson's words that Dina's son "would never walk or talk again"...and how that propelled Dina into her vicious, violent, brutal, savage murder of Rebecca.

If this case makes it to trial, Dr. Peterson will no doubt be heard by the jury either through medical records or actual testimony.

Brain death has to be diagnosed and, iirc, Dina has stated in an interview that Max's EEG went flat on Friday. No doctor is going to tell a mother her child is brain dead until it is diagnosed. Max's date of death is Sunday, July 17, 2011. To even suggest that the diagnosis of brain death was made just a day after Max's traumatic injury has no basis in fact. His organs were transplanted. Doctors aren't going to wait another few days for the EEG to go flat and another few days after that if they've already diagnosed brain death and organ donation is planned. That doesn't even make sense.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Thanks SO much K_Z for the copies of the ADT subpoena!

Ann Rule's book: "There was one thing no one but a very few people knew: the back door of the mansion was never locked. Jonah, Adam, Becky, and Dina -- who had once lived there -- knew that. Possibly Nina did, too."

excerpt from Fatal Friends, Deadly Neighbors (Ann Rule's Crime Files)

From the Sept 2, 2011 PC:
LAWTON
There is an alarm system in the house but it is not used regularly -- regularly not used.

Says someone who was never in the house. Seems to me, Jonah most certainly knows if the system in the house was used regularly or not and so would Dina.

JMO

 

[inthedark14]

Says someone who was never in the house. Seems to me, Jonah most certainly knows if the system in the house was used regularly or not and so would Dina.

JMO

I imagine JS would know. DS however had not lived in that house for some time when RZ was murdered.

 

[K_Z]

I imagine JS would know. DS however had not lived in that house for some time when RZ was murdered.

It would be interesting to know what Dina's routine was related to coming to Spreckles in May/ June/ July 2011. When she came there to pick up Max, did she have a habit of coming to the front door, to knock/ ring the bell, or did she just let herself in thru another door? Did she have keys or current access codes? Or perhaps she never came there anymore, and the exchange of Max occurred elsewhere.

Either way, she knew her way around that home and property.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Seems like the Zahau supporters want to discuss anything except the actual allegations that the Zahaus have brought against Dina, Nina, and Adam. Why? Because they are so ridiculous even they can't believe them!

 

[Betty P]

Seems like the Zahau supporters want to discuss anything except the actual allegations that the Zahaus have brought against Dina, Nina, and Adam. Why? Because they are so ridiculous even they can't believe them!

We've discussed them here in great detail. I find them very plausible, unlike the suicide theory.

 

[MyBelle]

I imagine JS would know. DS however had not lived in that house for some time when RZ was murdered.

DS would know Jonah's routine as far as engaging security in the house where he still lived. Most adults do have a routine at the end of the day as far as making sure doors are locked, lights off/on and I doubt Jonah would change it just because Dina no longer lived there.

JMO

 

[LuckyLucy2]

We've discussed them here in great detail. I find them very plausible, unlike the suicide theory.

Then please tell me, how do you think the Zahau's will be able to prove the crazy story they've alledged?

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Ah, I see. You didn't answer the question...have you watched the video?

Yes, both versions. Many times.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

C'mon, Lulu2. Why was RZ quiet? Perhaps she was sad and concentrating on doing what she could to help Jonah. Her diary entries? Her sister said they had been written months earlier ( do I remember her saying they were 6 months old?). Boarded the dog? There was a lot of activity going on and she was gone a lot. Maybe Jonah asked her to. Sending her sister home? Vacation was clearly over once Max got hurt.
You are absolutely attributing motives to RZ and stating vehemently that YOUR assumptions about her motivations prove her guilty. Sometimes I think that a bunch of stuff gets thrown against the wall to see what will stick.
MOO

Except for the FACT that Rebecca Zahua's death was correctly ruled a suicide.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Thanks for reminding of how STOOOPIDly odd the SDSO investigation was from the very start@! A silly South Korean cinematic soap opera is TAKEN INTO EVIDENCE....But, for 30 days NO ONE felt it was relevant to retrieve the messages on Rebecca's phone???? Oh yah, oh yah, oh yah...and they also photographed the pink Coach w-r-i-s-t-l-e-t........
What "lulu explanation" do you have for failing to retrieve critical phone info in a timely manner? (I just gotta hear this one, too.)

Once the heck you've figured out Rebecca committed suicide by the fingerprints, footprints, and DNA, - REAL physical evidence that PROVES it was SUICIDE there really isn't much of a rush to get phone records, now is there?