Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #3

[Frigga]

So, If Jonah has a suicide note- written in Rebecca's hand and left at the scene- he would rather allow his ex-wife (I can possibly see this one- but still pretty cruel), his potentially completely innocent ex sister in law and HIS VERY OWN BROTHER to be put through this mess keeping the supposed suicide note "private"?

Seriously?

Who is this man?

 

[BBL]

So, If Jonah has a suicide note- written in Rebecca's hand and left at the scene- he would rather allow his ex-wife (I can possibly see this one- but still pretty cruel), her potentially completely innocent ex sister in law and HIS VERY OWN BROTHER to be put through this mess keeping the supposed suicide note "private"?

Seriously?

Who is this man?

That's a big IF, IMO. It has never been released that it was a suicide note. That is something the SDSO floated. No details what so ever. It could have been a note reminding Jonah that his brother is coming to town. The point is, who the heck knows at this point? It does seem like the one guy that can provide some answers is rather mum.

 

[Frigga]

Can someone shed some light on the first Mrs. Ex-Shaknai for me, just trying to piece some things together.

How long were she and Jonah married? How old were their children when they divorced? Was the divorce amicable? Was the second ex Mrs Shaknai amicable with the first ex? What was the second Mrs Shaknai's relationship with his children from the first ex? Do Jonah's first wife and children support and defend the second? Is Jonah defending the second ex Mrs Shaknai currently? TIA

 

[LuckyLucy2]

My dog would be a comfort for me but I would also want my dog to be cared for properly- especially a young dog with a lot of energy and need for exercise. My older dog would be fine stuck at home (he has a doggy door and a decent size back yard) but he would be barking at new people incessantly so I think I would consider boarding him for a short time.

I would also find comfort in a younger relative (immense personal comfort) but I would not want a young relative (niece) to be put through a tragic experience (more than she already had been) or to bring comfort for my own benefit. I would also be going through a variety of emotions and feelings- guilt, pain, grief, sadness, loss etc. of my own, so it would be difficult for me (IMO) to give the comfort needed to my younger relative.

I have never looked at Rebecca sending Z home as whisking her away. I have always seen it as sending her out of an extremely traumatic circumsance which her age would not equip her to necessarily handle easily or be able to immediately process well. I would want my relative or niece back at home where she would find comfort and love and attention. I would also want her to be near her friends who are her peers (kids just naturally support one another and or distract each other- I've seen it with my own kids and their friends).

Ocean being boarded has never struck me as odd or nefarious.

I would agree with you about XZ, except that Rebecca was not going to be at the hospital very much, so what would have been so traumatic about XZ staying there? Twelve year olds are very resilient. And heck, there was a beach right across the street!

I think that Rebecca sending XZ home the next early afternoon speaks volumes about what Rebecca planned to do. XZ even had a doctor's appointment at the Urgent Care that Tuesday afternoon that was cancelled.

I also find it very odd that Rebecca never called her and X's Mother, Pari, to tell her she was sending XZ back. She only called Mary.

 

[SweetT]

Also, it seems it was Rebecca who was insisting on picking everyone up from the hospital. Nina said in the New 8 interview/ interrogation that she told Rebecca she would rent a car, but Rebecca insisted that she come pick her up.

I remember that..Which is why I always thought it odd that she wouldn't open the door to Nina that night. Like we know she wasn't afraid of her..so why not answer the door?

 

[LuckyLucy2]

So, If Jonah has a suicide note- written in Rebecca's hand and left at the scene- he would rather allow his ex-wife (I can possibly see this one- but still pretty cruel), his potentially completely innocent ex sister in law and HIS VERY OWN BROTHER to be put through this mess keeping the supposed suicide note "private"?

Seriously?

Who is this man?

I am only speculating that it is a suicide note from Jonah. Even if it were and they knew about it, I don't think that would've stopped the Zahaus from filing a WDS. I think they would still take the chance that Jonah would settle for Adam, Dina, and Nina.

JMO

 

[LuckyLucy2]

I remember that..Which is why I always thought it odd that she wouldn't open the door to Nina that night. Like we know she wasn't afraid of her..so why not answer the door?

And we know she was there because she was texting with Mary when Nina sent her text and then came by.

Nina texted RZ's ant 9:41 that evening, and Rebecca would have gotten it because she was texting with Mary at the time:

July 12th - 9:25 PM outgoing 1 min phone call to Mary

July 12th - text message out to Mary @ 9:40 PM

July 12th - text message out to Mary @ 9:42 PM

July 12th - text message in from Mary @ 9:44 PM

July 12th - 2 text messages out to Mary @ 9:48 PM

July 12th - text message in from Mary @ 9:52 PM

July 12th - text message in from Mary @ 9:53 PM

July 12th - text message out to Mary @ 9:53 PM

It was just a short walk, a few blocks, so Nina was probably knocking on the door right after these last texts to Mary.

I think Rebecca just did not want to face Nina and show her where and how the accident happened, so did not respond to the text or to the knocks. And then she took her own life hours later and left no answers for anyone.

JMO

 

[SweetT]

Can someone shed some light on the first Mrs. Ex-Shaknai for me, just trying to piece some things together.

How long were she and Jonah married? How old were their children when they divorced? Was the divorce amicable? Was the second ex Mrs Shaknai amicable with the first ex? What was the second Mrs Shaknai's relationship with his children from the first ex? Do Jonah's first wife and children support and defend the second? Is Jonah defending the second ex Mrs Shaknai currently? TIA

All I can say is that the kids from Shacknai's first marriage were at the home with little Maxie and visiting up until the morning that Maxie was injured. I understand that all the kids loved Maxie and he loved the older ones. I do recall at one time a judge stating that Jonah may not have been a good husband but was a good father.
I think its been established that Jonah cheated on his wives. I know its been established that Rebecca was actually still married when she moved in with Jonah .
Anyone else can elaborate further as I do not know a lot of details.

 

[Jessica2012]

If the "Document Addressed To Jonah" was a suicide note, wouldn't this be in the investigative files? Wouldn't this have been shared with both families and considered evidence? In my opinion JS would not be able to keep such a huge piece of evidence private- it could potentially "make or break" both cases.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Here are some quotes for you, Frigga. Jonah told his first wife on their wedding night "that he wondered if it had been a mistake". Musta been some honeymoon after that. I have seen a recent photo of Kimberly James, and she is a very beautiful woman. I think Jonah is one of those men that just can't be faithful, and the thought of it scares him to death - JMO.


Kimberly and Jonah were married in 1993 and were in a bitter custody battle between 1999 and 2001. Jonah and Dina married in 2004.

The man at the center of the mystery-Jonah Shacknai, 54-is chairman and CEO of Medicis Pharmaceutical Corporation, an Arizona-based firm that pulled in $700 million in net revenues in 2010 (his salary was $6.3 million). In 1993 he married pharmaceutical sales rep Kimberly James; they had two children (now ages 13 and 14) before going through a contentious divorce that was settled in 2001. "During the marriage and after the divorce, he was always a great father," says someone close to Shacknai. " he most important thing in his life is to be there for his kids.

"http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20523389,00.html


During his divorce from his first wife, Kimberley James, a psychologist said he was defensive and could have some unresolved anger problems. But he added: 'It was quite apparent to me that his children are most important to him and he loves them dearly.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018570/Jonah-Shacknais-friends-defend death-lover-Rebecca-Nalepa.html#ixzz3geknaerV
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Shacknai has two other children from a previous marriage to Kimberly James. he couple married in April 1993 in Bel Air, Calif., before filing for divorce in 1999 Maricopa County Family Court records show the couple reached a joint-custody agreement in 2001 for two children: a 14-year-old girl and a 13-year-old boy

Read more:
http://archive.azcentral.com/arizon...s-death-reported-san-diego.html#ixzz3gelWYlYm

The former Dina Romano was in her late 20s when she met Jonah, the then-40-something CEO of Scottsdale-based pharmaceutical giant Medicis, maker of anti-aging gels and the Botox-analog Dysport. Emerging from a divorce, Jonah was bowled over by the brainy and statuesque young woman, and Dina was flattered by the dashing executive’s attention. “Dina’s a rock star,” says an associate who knows the former couple. “She has all kinds of expertise – Italian poetry, fine wines, all these interests. She’s larger than life, in a very endearing way. Jonah is less
worldly, but incredibly smart.” Dina converted to Judaism at Jonah’s behest, and the couple married in 2002.


http://www.phoenixmag.com/Valley-News/boy-interrupted.html

 

[Frigga]

I would agree with you about XZ, except that Rebecca was not going to be at the hospital very much, so what would have been so traumatic about XZ staying there? Twelve year olds are very resilient. And heck, there was a beach right across the street!

I think that Rebecca sending XZ home the next early afternoon speaks volumes about what Rebecca planned to do. XZ even had a doctor's appointment at the Urgent Care that Tuesday afternoon that was cancelled.

I also find it very odd that Rebecca never called her and X's Mother, Pari, to tell her she was sending XZ back. She only called Mary.

Honestly, I am trying to find some common ground here. Please, no matter what else we don't agree on we do agree that Rebecca was the one responsible for Max when he had his fall and that her little sister was also in the house when Max fell.

The sight of Max upon finding him would have been incredibly traumatic for a 12 year old girl- heck it would be extremely traumatic for me.

If I am Rebecca I am heartbroken for sweet Max and I am feeling sadness and yes- guilt for the accident that occurred on my watch- that is normal. A sweet little boy being very injured, paralyzed or worse would leave a heavy feeling of sadness over the house and its occupants and quite frankly the beach being available for that 12 year old sounds callous and actually ridiculous to me.

I have a very tough 14 year old daughter who behaves more like a boy with her emotions and behavior (she's a lot like my husband) it's a tough front she puts on but it also runs deep in her- it genuinely is who she is and even she would have had a difficult time in those circumstances. I doubt anyone was thinking of having fun- but again- that's just me.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Thank you for that post, Frigga.

I guess I just think that Rebecca should not have been left alone under the circumstances, and it seems XZ's should have stayed just in case there were any more questions.

I wonder if Rebecca cleared X leaving with the Detective working Max's case?

Rebecca and X did go shopping that Tuesday morning before X left. That always has sounded a bit inpropriate to me. But perhaps she was just trying to do a little something for X to cheer her up under the circumstances. And perhaps she also knew it would be the last time she would see her.

JMO

 

[Frigga]

All I can say is that the kids from Shacknai's first marriage were at the home with little Maxie and visiting up until the morning that Maxie was injured. I understand that all the kids loved Maxie and he loved the older ones. I do recall at one time a judge stating that Jonah may not have been a good husband but was a good father.
I think its been established that Jonah cheated on his wives. I know its been established that Rebecca was actually still married when she moved in with Jonah .
Anyone else can elaborate further as I do not know a lot of details.

Thank you SweetT- do you know or recall if Kimberly and/or Jonah's children are friendly with Dina? Do they support her in this?

 

[SweetT]

I always kinda took it that Rebecca took X shopping cause she felt bad for sending her home early and not being able to do anything fun with her and to cheer her up . After all, I'm sure they had a lot of things planned to do before the accident happened.

 

[SweetT]

Thank you SweetT- do you know or recall if Kimberly and/or Jonah's children are friendly with Dina? Do they support her in this?

No I do not know, but I guess I got the impression that Jonah's older kids did seem to be ok with Dina and Maxie. I have no idea who or what they support. Good questions though.
There was talk back in the day that Jonah's older kids did not like Rebecca and that she had complained to him about them, even talk that she had told her sister if he didn't support her over his teen kids that she was going to get out of the relationship. Perhaps they treated Rebecca bad and he didnt have her back. That is kind of the jist I got out of it at the time.

 

[Frigga]

Thank you for that post, Frigga.

I guess I just think that Rebecca should not have been left alone under the circumstances, and it seems XZ's should have stayed just in case there were any more questions.

I wonder if Rebecca cleared X leaving with the Detective working Max's case?

Rebecca and X did go shopping that Tuesday morning before X left. That always has sounded a bit inpropriate to me. But perhaps she was just trying to do a little something for X to cheer her up under the circumstances. And perhaps she also knew it would be the last time she would see her.

JMO

Thank you- all quite plausible.

But, if Rebecca was telling the truth about where each of them were when Max fell how could her young sister have helped any more, if she did not witness the event or accident?

Yeah- shopping would be the last thing on my mind unless someone needed something important.

Do you believe that there has never been a murder or accidental death that his been wrongly labeled a suicide?

 

[Frigga]

I am really trying to look at this from all angles and honestly trying to consider, respectfully, others points of views.

 

[SweetT]

Thank you- all quite plausible.

But, if Rebecca was telling the truth about where each of them were when Max fell how could her young sister have helped any more, if she did not witness the event or accident?

Yeah- shopping would be the last thing on my mind unless someone needed something important.

Do you believe that there has never been a murder or accidental death that his been wrongly labeled a suicide?

I don't believe her younger sister could have helped her in any way. I do think someone else could have helped her cope with things, but sadly nobody else was there physically for her. Yea she had texts and phone calls with her relatives but that was probably not enough in this case. If she killed herself, some one may have been able to talk her out of it..If she was murdered like some think...having another person there may have prevented that from happening. Sadly we do not always know ahead of time when someone is at their weakest or lowest points in life or else we would have been there for them.
I wish I knew what that message from Jonah to Rebecca said but again we will never know, only he does. And we have only his word about what they discussed.

I do believe murders/accidents have been labeled suicides accidentally or on purpose...Just as I believe murders have been labeled accidents and visa versa. It happens of course.

 

[Frigga]

I am really not liking Jonah Shaknai very much.

How was he thought about in his community (plural, I guess- AZ and CA)? What kind of friends did he have? How was he portrayed as a business man?

Wasn't it HIS friend, Paul Phingst (sp?) that went behind police tape in the very early moments after Rebecca was discovered?

 

[Jessica2012]

I think, that if I were in the situation, I would have sent my sister home too. There was no point in her being there honestly. I think that the situation was really hectic-with all the rumors and speculation, and what the doctor first suspected. Rebecca's instinct in my opinion, would have been to protect her sister first...the truth, would come out later.