Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #3

[K_Z]

I know it is quite the leap to look at these pleadings and infer too much, but the chronology ending with the withdrawal of Dina's attorney makes me scratch my head and wonder if the defendant has been leading the charge and her attorney said 'enough I'm outta here'.

It further seems that the "inability" to view the Rady CD's is more than weak. Come on, really? You can't get your hands on them and you state that's your primary defense? Heck, I would remove myself from the defense counsel as well.

Things don't appear very good for the defense at least from these last items.

My question would be "what else you got, Dina?".

Well, for several years there have been comments all over the place that DS has witnesses who will testify that she was at Max's bedside in Rady ICU during the relevant hours of Rebecca's death. I'd think that "now" would be a good time to be sending out subpoenas to those individuals, so they can be deposed. And despite all the recent issues with Howard Luber's wife, Lisa Luber, and rumors that she was going to be the witness to confirm DS at the bedside, we now know with certainty that that was completely false. LL filed an affidavit that she wasn't even in California.

So, yes, *now* would be a really good time for those witnesses to be subpoenaed, right? Especially since defense attorneys claim they are having so much trouble getting to look at the surveillance recordings.

And by the way-- if DS has an alibi for Rady, she will know exactly which door/s she habitually used to enter and exit the hospital. And approximately what time she entered and exited, as well as anything like a parking garage charge. So, they could narrow down "which" of the 27 CDs of surveillance they need to review, pretty quickly. She's either there, or she isn't. The sheriff said in a press conference she isn't seen on surveillance. I tend to believe that. Especially since no one has offered anything substantial to indicate she was, other than cell phone triangulation that places her phone "in the vicinity" of the hospital. And the bicycle family identified her at the front door of Spreckles. So there we are. I seriously doubt that there are any witnesses that can be subpoenaed to support her story, or we'd be hearing about that in these kinds of documents. DS appears to be hanging all her hopes of exoneration on something the DOJ may, or may not even have. I think it's just delay tactics.

 

[Betty P]

In reading about the "inability" of defendants to secure the 27 CDs of Rady security camera footage, I recalled the time when Jonah used SDSO to prevent the Zahau's attorneys from viewing Spreckels mansion. IIRC, Jonah told the attorneys that he would allow them access to the mansion if escorted by SDSO. SDSO then said they would not be available during the specified time period, so Jonah succeeded in keeping the Zahau family from inspecting the crime scene by using SDSO to run interference.

So now we have some indication from Dina's filings that DOJ has the Rady security camera CDs. IIRC, Sheriff Gore's wife is an FBI agent. Did SDSO again run interference on behalf of the Shacknai family by securing the CDs from Coronado PD, then turning them over to Gore's wife and friends at the FBI for analysis? Will they now be declared "missing" or accidentally destroyed or in some other way inaccessible for the WDS?

Not having the security footage available for the trial could still be somewhat helpful to Dina, allowing her attorneys to cast doubt on the accuracy of the now missing footage. Just throwing out this possibility. This all coulïd have taken place shortly after the case was closed and RZs death declared a "suicide".

Big question would be who last saw those CDs, when did they see them and where?

JMO, MOO, etc.

 

[time]

In reading about the "inability" of defendants to secure the 27 CDs of Rady security camera footage, I recalled the time when Jonah used SDSO to prevent the Zahau's attorneys from viewing Spreckels mansion. IIRC, Jonah told the attorneys that he would allow them access to the mansion if escorted by SDSO. SDSO then said they would not be available during the specified time period, so Jonah succeeded in keeping the Zahau family from inspecting the crime scene by using SDSO to run interference.

So now we have some indication from Dina's filings that DOJ has the Rady security camera CDs. IIRC, Sheriff Gore's wife is an FBI agent. Did SDSO again run interference on behalf of the Shacknai family by securing the CDs from Coronado PD, then turning them over to Gore's wife and friends at the FBI for analysis? Will they now be declared "missing" or accidentally destroyed or in some other way inaccessible for the WDS?

Not having the security footage available for the trial could still be somewhat helpful to Dina, allowing her attorneys to cast doubt on the accuracy of the now missing footage. Just throwing out this possibility. This all coulïd have taken place shortly after the case was closed and RZs death declared a "suicide".

Big question would be who last saw those CDs, when did they see them and where?

JMO, MOO, etc.

Creepy thoughts! I think Gore's wife is retired and painting, but still, they have connections.

 

[bourne]

In reading about the "inability" of defendants to secure the 27 CDs of Rady security camera footage, I recalled the time when Jonah used SDSO to prevent the Zahau's attorneys from viewing Spreckels mansion. IIRC, Jonah told the attorneys that he would allow them access to the mansion if escorted by SDSO. SDSO then said they would not be available during the specified time period, so Jonah succeeded in keeping the Zahau family from inspecting the crime scene by using SDSO to run interference.

So now we have some indication from Dina's filings that DOJ has the Rady security camera CDs. IIRC, Sheriff Gore's wife is an FBI agent. Did SDSO again run interference on behalf of the Shacknai family by securing the CDs from Coronado PD, then turning them over to Gore's wife and friends at the FBI for analysis? Will they now be declared "missing" or accidentally destroyed or in some other way inaccessible for the WDS?

Not having the security footage available for the trial could still be somewhat helpful to Dina, allowing her attorneys to cast doubt on the accuracy of the now missing footage. Just throwing out this possibility. This all coulïd have taken place shortly after the case was closed and RZs death declared a "suicide".

Big question would be who last saw those CDs, when did they see them and where?

JMO, MOO, etc.

I don't believe for one second that Dina was ever in the surveillance videos for the night Rebecca was murdered. Why? Because why would Gore hide that fact? He wanted Rebecca's case to be ruled as a suicide so if there was EVIDENCE that showed Dina was at the hospital at any time during the critical period Rebecca was murdered, he'd have gladly presented it TO THE WORLD, particularly at the press conference wherein he even had a special young woman demonstrate binding her hands behind her back! Instead all he said when directly asked about Dina's alibi was that Dina's "cellphone" was triangulated to be at the hospital. A cellphone, NOT Dina the person.

Dina is doing what she does best: LIE and DEFLECT by pointing at irrelevant, miscellaneous GARBAGE such as the DOJ somehow for some unknown reason would suddenly hold these hospital videotapes. Why would they? She's not a high political official. She's not an important person of any significance in society. Besides that, had these tapes held any exculpatory evidence whatsoever of her, Dina herself would have ANNOUNCED THIS ON AIR in her numerous media circuit runs over the past few years since Rebecca's murder, instead of crying out that she had EYEWITNESSES who saw her "sitting vigil" at her one and only son's deathbed. The only person Dina's subpoenaed to try to claim they saw Dina at the hospital was her so-called good friend Mrs. Luber who outright DENIES she Mrs. Luber was even physically in the vicinity of California during Rebecca's murder! GMAB

[modsnip]

 

[Betty P]

Bourne, I agree, those security videos will be very damaging to Dina's case. Sheriff Gore is the one who said Dina didn't appear anywhere on the tapes, but that JS did. He didn't offer that information voluntarily and that information doesn't appear anywhere in writing. It was only shared with the public when a reporter questioned Gore.

But those security recordings could also be a problem for SDSO. They, along with other evidence, cast doubt on SDSO's decision to close the case and declare RZs death a suicide. In fact, considerable time and effort were spent on putting together a presentation to bolster their decision. Having security footage from the hospital that could cast doubt on the suicide theory could be problematic for SDSO, too.

I hope this is quickly cleared up with all the evidence located and verified.

 

[justice be served]

In reading about the "inability" of defendants to secure the 27 CDs of Rady security camera footage, I recalled the time when Jonah used SDSO to prevent the Zahau's attorneys from viewing Spreckels mansion. IIRC, Jonah told the attorneys that he would allow them access to the mansion if escorted by SDSO. SDSO then said they would not be available during the specified time period, so Jonah succeeded in keeping the Zahau family from inspecting the crime scene by using SDSO to run interference.

So now we have some indication from Dina's filings that DOJ has the Rady security camera CDs. IIRC, Sheriff Gore's wife is an FBI agent. Did SDSO again run interference on behalf of the Shacknai family by securing the CDs from Coronado PD, then turning them over to Gore's wife and friends at the FBI for analysis? Will they now be declared "missing" or accidentally destroyed or in some other way inaccessible for the WDS?

Not having the security footage available for the trial could still be somewhat helpful to Dina, allowing her attorneys to cast doubt on the accuracy of the now missing footage. Just throwing out this possibility. This all coulïd have taken place shortly after the case was closed and RZs death declared a "suicide".

Big question would be who last saw those CDs, when did they see them and where?

JMO, MOO, etc.

Thank you for those reminders of the fishy smelly stuff that was going on with SDSO, the former DA (can't remember his name - friend of JS), etc. It reeked then and it reeks now. Excellent post.

 

[Betty P]

Thank you for those reminders of the fishy smelly stuff that was going on with SDSO, the former DA (can't remember his name - friend of JS), etc. It reeked then and it reeks now. Excellent post.

Its just some random thoughts and I do hope I'm wrong. Hopefully, Dina is just blowing smoke about the 27 Rady CDs.

 

[bourne]

Bourne, I agree, those security videos will be very damaging to Dina's case. Sheriff Gore is the one who said Dina didn't appear anywhere on the tapes, but that JS did. He didn't offer that information voluntarily and that information doesn't appear anywhere in writing. It was only shared with the public when a reporter questioned Gore.

But those security recordings could also be a problem for SDSO. They, along with other evidence, cast doubt on SDSO's decision to close the case and declare RZs death a suicide. In fact, considerable time and effort were spent on putting together a presentation to bolster their decision. Having security footage from the hospital that could cast doubt on the suicide theory could be problematic for SDSO, too.

I hope this is quickly cleared up with all the evidence located and verified.

Thanks Betty for your explanation. I see what you mean. Perhaps Gore decided after-the-fact, now that the Zahaus put forth a WDS suit, that he must protect himself from appearing to have lead an entirely faulty investigation into Rebecca's murder, riddled with flawed assumptions, improprieties and inappropriate, curtailed proceduresbased on his preconceived, biased decision to investigate her death as if it were conclusively a suicide and ignoring obvious physical evidence pointing to a clear murder such as absence of Dina on SURVEILLANCE VIDEOS at the HOSPITAL where she claimed she was "sitting vigil by her son's deathbed" during the critical period when Rebecca was first proclaimed by investigators to have been found hanging in a "violent, suspicious death".

Perhaps Gore wants those videos to disappear now so that there's no evidence to his mishandling of Rebecca's investigation...However, I don't believe he is able to do that because according to Greer, the police dept has all the tapes, NOT the Justice Dept as Dina has concocted and alleged.

 

[screecher]

Those surveillance tapes would show exactly what time Ms. Dina left Rady on Tues. And when she returned the next day. Ms. Dina really doesn't want those tapes released, as she'd be up ***** creek without a paddle. That woman is so transparent.

IMHO.

 

[Inparadise]

Natalie Gore "resigned" from the FBI in 1986 while they were stationed in Hawaii. She discovered that the day care provider for their adopted 2 year old son (Ryan) at the time was drinking while caring for children. She thought that once they moved to DC, that she could reapply since she had so many years of experience, only to find out that since she had had Radial Keratotomy surgery, that the bureau would not reinstate her.

 

[*Lash*]

This seems like some huge blunder (or whatever it is?) to request "federal subpoena power" to get Raley's tapes from the DOJ when they are with Coronado Police Dept and BBM below....



If Dina's attorneys are claiming 'futility' and they can't provide any supporting documentation of trying to gain access, then what is going on? Are they trying to delay the process? Or what?

I agree, Time. If Dina actually did try to obtain the tapes held in evidence by the Coronado Police Dept, I would like to know how she went about requesting the tapes from the CPD. Was it written correspondence? Did they make a trip to the station to look at the evidence? Did they receive a letter from CPD declining a request? What or where is the proof, if any, the DOJ is holding these tapes?

 

[Inparadise]

Those surveillance tapes would show exactly what time Ms. Dina left Rady on Tues. And when she returned the next day. Ms. Dina really doesn't want those tapes released, as she'd be up ***** creek without a paddle. That woman is so transparent.

IMHO.

I am sure that Dina's former BF knew exactly where she was...........

 

[screecher]

.....and what she was doing ! I hope he is being deposed.

 

[time]

I agree, Time. If Dina actually did try to obtain the tapes held in evidence by the Coronado Police Dept, I would like to know how she went about requesting the tapes from the CPD. Was it written correspondence? Did they make a trip to the station to look at the evidence? Did they receive a letter from CPD declining a request? What or where is the proof, if any, the DOJ is holding these tapes?

I'm suspecting there is little or no proof they tried. But I am still puzzled by why her attorney would request them from DOJ in the first place. It doesn't seem to me like they believed they had them, so I wonder if they are trying to get Coronado to hand them over to DOJ claiming they are being unresponsive to an individual's request. I'm not quite sure what they intend to accomplish... get them out of Coronado's hands? Waste time and money/stall? Simple Power Play? Hope they get mishandled (lost, chain of custody probs?). Could they simply be trying to find out if the DOJ has a copy? Puzzling.

 

[kittychi]

I can't help but wonder what those who have been shilling for the defense think about the info from the latest court documents.

 

[justice be served]

So quiet here particularly being that things don't appear to be very positive for the defendants case. Perhaps there is now a strong incentive for one or two of the defendants to come clean on what they know in order to clear themselves or mitigate their involvement?

Or perhaps deals are being made. Or perhaps SDSO is back involved in looking at their suicide findings? Probably wishful thinking on my part but a girl can dream!

 

[Waitaminute]

or maaaaybe some posters have realized that the less blustering and ranting, - (oops, I mean 'posting') they do, that the less discussion there is, and less need to analyze everything point by point to prove that inconsistencies do actually exist, (and that those of us that believe that there are inconsistencies aren't dolts, uneducated, conspiracy theorists, nor paid posters), and thus perhaps, the less some posters do, the less damage they do to their own reputation. Almost sad, in a way.

 

[Waitaminute]

I dare say, some of the most thoughtful insights I have read on this case have come from a poster defending their own beliefs against an antagonizing post. Certainly the more outrageous things that have been brought up, the more careful research and well thought out points I have seen other posters come back with, and I applaud the posters who have continued tirelessly in doing this, without missing a beat, and with some of the most fascinating research and time-involved consideration and comparisons. I for one remember all to clearly the abuse that was dished out from some posters on another website against our dear friend Inparadise and I thank that person for not caving in--the crazy was enough to drive me quiet.

 

[bourne]

or maaaaybe some posters have realized that the less blustering and ranting, - (oops, I mean 'posting') they do, that the less discussion there is, and less need to analyze everything point by point to prove that inconsistencies do actually exist, (and that those of us that believe that there are inconsistencies aren't dolts, uneducated, conspiracy theorists, nor paid posters), and thus perhaps, the less some posters do, the less damage they do to their own reputation. Almost sad, in a way.

I think those posters who have recently been extraordinarily silent are afraid that subpoenas for their blog posts will be made and their "warped logic and justifications" that Rebecca deserved to get murdered and their deep, intense hatred and jealousy of Rebecca will be brought to light in court -- especially since Dina the major defendant in the Zahaus' WDS has used her lawyer to ask the Zahaus for Rebecca's siblings/family/relatives for their Facebook and social media posts.

Hey what goes around comes around. Dina deserves what she gets.

 

[Waitaminute]

with that being said, I suppose that subpoenas for any websites created to 'discuss the Max Shacknai and Rebecca Zahau cases" will be fair game? and perhaps they will see a few posts where it appeared someone there knew what type of soda was found at the crime scene before it was made public knowledge? if it even has ever been made public knowledge...