Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #3

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  • #801
Your post makes no sense. The judge hasn't ruled on anything and your "opinion" that s/he wouldn't allow past domestic VIOLENCE of Dina the primary suspect in the WDS aka murder case in a civil trial is ludicrous. Everyone knows that the law works by obtaining PRECEDENTS of actions and facts and cases into the courtroom. So Dina's PREDILECTION and PROPENSITY towards physical and verbal violence in the past certainly will be allowed.

No, will NEVER be allowed in, IMO. Has NOTHING to do with the days in 2011 in question. The Judge would never let it in. Dina's awesome Lawyers will see to that!

The Zahaus have NOTHING.
 
  • #802
Anyways....I just had a very weird thought....What if Nina, knowing Rebecca would not take her call, purposely drove JONAH'S CAR IN FRONT OF 1043 OCEAN and parked in the drive way.... Rebecca would have run down the stairs, out the back and TO THE GATE NINA DIDN'T TOUCH thinking Jonah had just arrived. Wouldn't that have made Rebecca extremely vulnerable? She could have been assualted and backed into the bushes in the courtyard, causing the abrasions on her back. AND THAT "JURY" IS WHY NINA NEVER TOUCHED THE GATE...SHE WAS SITTING IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT OF JONAH'S CAR.... and that is what Dina was doing out front, pacing and waiting for NINA to drive Jonah's car into the driveway.......IMO....case solved. YIKES, YIKES, YIKES



But that is NOT what the Zahaus are alledging. They alledge they already KNOW what happened in the courtyard. They better bring a video tape to court - otherwise, they have NO EVIDENCE. But I do admire your imagination!
 
  • #803
I predict DINA will have no lawyers representing her soon, hah.
 
  • #804
lulu2, are things you have said that I disagree with, some I agree with, but regardless, if you ever took ANYTHING I said that even remotely sounded like I blame Maxi's mother for his death, let me be the first to apologize
Wait. What?
 
  • #805
I predict DINA will have no lawyers representing her soon, hah.

Actually Dina's insurer, Chubb & Sons, is stuck with her. The last Case Management Statement indicates Chubb as her insurer and, as such, must defend their position. Lucky for Dina, though I wonder if her coverage extends up to the $10M.
 
  • #806
further, I apologize for quoting the wrong post, this is the post I was meaning to reply to. I know max's accident did not happen as it has been reported, what happened I do not know, malice I don't believe, but most certainly have I never once thought Dina was responsible for the death of her son. That's just awful.
 
  • #807
Waitaminute, it also wasn't Rebecca, nor was it anyone related to her imho.
 
  • #808
WOW! WOOHOO! This is excellent news. So Jonah LET.THE.CONNIVING.IDIOT.HAVE.IT.

Can't believe Dina's representing herself. She honestly thinks she's "smart"? And now wants to pretend to be a lawyer too? Recall how she pretended to be a "doctor" with no license and a "Coronado homeowner" with no deed and a "scientist" with nothing but one group project? LMAO :jail: Dina.

Glad JUSTICE is alive and well. Hope this continues with Zahau's WDS.

It may be that her lawyers pulled out and she hasn't retained another yet. However, I would surmise that she had some notice her counsel was removing himself so I'm surprised she didn't have a backup plan.

Maybe this is the beginning of seeing Dina run off the rails. Things are pointedly negative all around for her from what is being indicated in these lawsuits. It could be she is getting close to losing it.
 
  • #809
Jonah Shacknai has filed for attorney's fees to be collected from Dina in Maricopa County today. Dina appears as Pro Per!

https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CV2013-009289

Case Number: CV2013-009289 Judge: Whitten, Christopher
File Date: 7/16/2013 Location: Downtown
Case Type: Civil
Party Information
Party Name Relationship Sex Attorney
Dina Marie Marie Shacknai Plaintiff Female Pro Per
Jonah Shacknai Defendant Male WILLIAM MALEDON
1043 Ocean Blvd L L C Defendant Pro Per
Harris Air Incorporated Defendant Pro Per

Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
5/20/2015 AAF - Application For Attorney Fees 5/21/2015
NOTE: JONAH SHACKNAI'S REQUEST FOR ATTORNEYS' FEES AND REASONABLE COSTS

Mods, since we don't have a thread on this lawsuit, I have put the info here. Please delete if you choose.

Did I miss something? What does Harris Air have to do with this? TIA
 
  • #810
http://fox5sandiego.com/2012/07/13/coronado-mansion-mystery-one-year-later/

According to the realtor, work is being paid for by a Utah-based corporation called 1043 Ocean Blvd LLC. It’s two main partners are Coronado developer Joe Pinsonneault and Harris Air, another Utah-based corporation owned by Robert Harris. Harris also owns land on Coronado.

When reached for comment Friday, Pinsonneault told Fox 5 he and Harris have “done some deals with Mr. Shacknai” in the past. He had no comment on why Shacknai still owned the home, or why an airline company would help pay for home renovation, only saying, “the whole world is unusual.”
 
  • #811
and that, my friend, I agree with completely, 100%

Waitaminute, it also wasn't Rebecca, nor was it anyone related to her imho.
 
  • #812
I read the article above and noticed for the first time "Zahau’s DNA was not on the balcony railing where she died". that alone is enough to call everything into question. All that work supposedly to go over a railing naked (supposedly climbed up the railing or leaned over it from what I remember), not mess up the dust on the balcony railing (except one tiny spot) or leave dna? really?
 
  • #813
I read the article above and noticed for the first time "Zahau’s DNA was not on the balcony railing where she died". that alone is enough to call everything into question. All that work supposedly to go over a railing naked (supposedly climbed up the railing or leaned over it from what I remember), not mess up the dust on the balcony railing (except one tiny spot) or leave dna? really?

Bingo. Ding, Ding, Ding... we have a winner
 
  • #814
http://fox5sandiego.com/2012/07/13/coronado-mansion-mystery-one-year-later/

According to the realtor, work is being paid for by a Utah-based corporation called 1043 Ocean Blvd LLC. It’s two main partners are Coronado developer Joe Pinsonneault and Harris Air, another Utah-based corporation owned by Robert Harris. Harris also owns land on Coronado.

When reached for comment Friday, Pinsonneault told Fox 5 he and Harris have “done some deals with Mr. Shacknai” in the past. He had no comment on why Shacknai still owned the home, or why an airline company would help pay for home renovation, only saying, “the whole world is unusual.”
Oh yes, Jonah and Joe Pinsonneault have done business in the past.......Jonah's step-mother and former mother-in-law, Nancy Romano (Romano Family Trust) both lost money in one of those deals.......I will post the link later. I have known Pinsonneault since the mid 1990s.....he loves spending OPM!
 
  • #815
Superior Court of County of San Diego
Second Amended Complaint for: 1, Wrongful Death; 2, Battery; 3, Assault; 4, Negligence; 5, Conversion. Jury Trial Demanded.

This Second Amended Complaint was filed May 21, 2015 by Keith Greer on behalf of the Zahau Family. I haven't gone through it yet but it must be addressing what Adam's attorney had achieved in the defense of was it? battery?? Can't remember but here it is.

https://roa.sdcourt.ca.gov/roa/face..._05-21-15_Amended_Complaint_1432745875907.pdf

Thank you mods for reopening this thread. As we can all see, it is a very active lawsuit. Play nice everyone please!
 
  • #816
Quote Originally Posted by bourne View Post
Hi Lash, the judge ruled that Adam's motion re: assault was granted "without leave". This means it cannot be refiled. Other motions re: Adam could be amended by Zahaus though...

Quote Originally Posted by *Lash* View Post
IANAL and all the motions, rulings, etc, can be hard to understand. I'm trying . I see where the court granted Adam's dismissal "without leave" to amend the assault claim and "with leave" to amend the remaining claims. AZlawyer wrote the Z's can amend their complaint to address this issue. Put it all together, I would interpret this to mean the assault is out. The Zahau's can amend the complaint but will have to remove the original assault claim. Since the judged ruled "without leave" no new assault claims can be alleged. Does this seem about right?

Per AZLawyer: The assault claim is out. The battery claim can be amended/rewritten as a separate claim (not combined with any assault allegation). Presumably, the Zs did not suggest in their briefs that they had evidence that Rebecca regained consciousness before an assault by Adam, or they would have been allowed to amend that claim as well.

The BBM is AZLawyer's response on the battery claim requiring amending which has resulted, I guess, in this Second Amended Complaint (post above). Sorry, but I don't know how to link the specific posts so it's kind of a mess.
 
  • #817
I hope you’ll humor me the length of this, but I’m still very puzzled as to why Nina would have borrowed Jonah’s car. Makes no sense to me since Dina firmly states she was sitting vigil at Max’s bedside. She wouldn’t need a car at all. I wonder, has Nina ever explained why Jonah’s car?

I thought maybe a time line would help, but it just created more questions for me. Maybe I’m missing something and one of you very astute people can correct me:
6:00 pm Dina says she arrived at hospital (although Jonah said it was more like 8)
4-9:00 pm Nina said she was at the hospital
9:00 pm Nina borrows Jonah’s car (from where? Hospital? RMH?)
9:30 pm Nina says arrives Dina’s house (where did she park? Did anyone see the car?)
9:41 pm Nina says she texted Rebecca (although time stamp says 10:41pm)
9:55 pm Nina says she walked the 5 minutes to Jonah’s house
10:00 pm Nina says she knocked on door
10:20 pm witness sees Dinah at front door
11:30 pm neighbors hear screams for help (IMO, not from beach as there is an 11pm curfew that is strictly enforced)
11:00 - 3:00 am Rebecca died (degenerated evidence based on her body left in hot sun and exposed)
1:00 - 7:00 am Jonah said at RMH (was he at the hospital the whole time prior to that?)
6:45 am Adam calls 911
6:48 am Jonah receives a text from Adam
6:48 ish, Jonah calls Dina (first!)

A couple of questions jump to mind. Can anyone comment?
1. Was Jonah at the hospital from 8pm (when he said he saw Dina) to 1am?
2. Jonah was spotted on surveillance video, was that at the hospital or RMH?
3. Dina insists she was alone by Max’s bed. During what time? If Jonah was there until 1am, he could easily vouch for Dina. If he wasn’t, where was he without his car?
4. Dina had no need for her car, why did Nina take Jonah’s car? It makes absolutely no sense that Nina would borrow Jonah's car instead of Dina's.
5. Those dang clothes in the guest house, they could be Rebecca’s but they could also be Dina or Nina’s. A simple check of size and style could help determine.
6. When is Nina confirmed to have returned home?

I agree with those that think Dina took off in a fit of anger. Nina had to scramble to try and find her. Mayhem follows and Rebecca is rendered unconscious. Adam is found to help with the aftermath. IMO, Jonah knows more than he is letting on.
 
  • #818
I really have to give credit to Attorney Greer and his associates for writing what I think is a very clear and concise Second Amended Complaint. It’s easy to see that the legal writing, explanations, associations, and focus has clearly matured for this case.

The case, IMO, reads now as confident and logical, with clear associations between the 5 causes of action, and the legal principles, and the actions of the defendants. The assault cause of action (third cause of action) is now clearly against defendants Dina and Nina only—as directed by the last court order.

They also clearly are heading off a “war of experts” in court, IMO, by leaving the door open as to whether Rebecca was already dead, or still alive when she was thrown over the balcony. Because it’s not a criminal case, I think that’s a wise way to leave things. She died from manual strangulation just before, OR from the hanging/ asphyxiation once tossed off the balcony—either way the defendants would have known and intended Rebecca to die, and that’s what’s important in this kind of civil case, as I understand it.

I also appreciated the more definitively explained section on each of the plaintiffs, and why they have standing to bring the case, as well as who the defendants are, and why they are named as defendants. Despite what Nina said in the brief news coverage 3 weeks ago, it is clear in the complaint that she admitted to being there at Spreckles.

The fifth cause of action, “conversion” (theft) is also now MUCH more clearly explained and connected. The “theft” of the clothes, of course, is a minimal dollar amount, but the concept of “conversion”, as I understand it, more fully encompasses the USE of the stolen personal property to achieve a personal benefit for the defendants—in this case, avoiding responsibility and detection for their actions in Rebecca’s murder.

The wrongdoer converts the goods to his or her own use and excludes the owner from use and enjoyment of them. The English Common Law early recognized such an act as wrongful and, by the middle of the fifteenth century, allowed an action in Trover to compensate the aggrieved owner.

Today the word conversion is still applied to the unlawful taking or use of someone else's property. The type of property that can be converted is determined by the original nature of the Cause of Action. It must be personal property, because real property cannot be lost and then found. It must be tangible, such as money, an animal, furniture, tools, or receipts. Crops or timber can be subject to conversion after they are severed from the ground. The rights in a paper—such as a life insurance policy, a stock certificate, or a promissory note—can be converted by one who appropriates the paper itself.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/conversion

Conversion, as a purely civil wrong, is distinguishable from both theft and unjust enrichment.
Theft is obviously an act inconsistent with another's rights, and theft will also be conversion. But not all conversions are thefts because conversion requires no element of dishonesty. Conversion is also different from unjust enrichment. If one claims an unjust enrichment, the person who has another's property may always raise a change of position defense, to say they have unwittingly used up the assets they were transferred. For conversion, there always must be an element of voluntarily dealing with another's property, inconsistently with their rights.

Conversion has been described as a fascinating tort,[8] albeit one which has largely eluded the attention of legal writers. The literature frequently laps over into that of trover.

A conversion occurs when a person does such acts in reference to the personal property of another as amount, in view of the law, to his appropriating the property for himself.

An action for conversion does not rest on knowledge[79][80][81] or intent of the defendant.[82] The act constituting "conversion" must be an intentional act, but does not require wrongful intent, and is not excused by care, good faith, or lack of knowledge.[83] Fraudulent intent is not an element of conversion.[84] The defendant is answerable for the conversion, no matter how good his intentions were, or how careful he has been, or how apparently well-founded was his belief that his tortious act was right.[85][85][86][87] The existence of probable cause does not preclude liability.[88] A person may be liable for conversion even though he was reasonably mistaken in thinking the facts to be such as would give him a legal right to the goods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_(law)

(BBM above.)

And as a side note, I only noticed a very few spelling errors, so to me, that indicates that this SAC received a LOT of review and proof reading before being filed, AND that it was re-written/ amended and filed within the timeline parameters in the last order. IANAL, but this SAC looks to me (in my experience as a teacher) comparable to the evolution of a student thesis over time—the initial “sloppy copies”, and now a more fully formed and matured thesis. JMO.
The fifth cause of action, “conversion” (theft) is also now MUCH more clearly explained and connected. The “theft” of the clothes, of course, is a minimal dollar amount, but the concept of “conversion”, as I understand it, more fully encompasses the USE of the stolen personal property to achieve a personal benefit for the defendants—in this case, avoiding responsibility and detection for their actions in Rebecca’s murder.
 
  • #819
I really have to give credit to Attorney Greer and his associates for writing what I think is a very clear and concise Second Amended Complaint. It’s easy to see that the legal writing, explanations, associations, and focus has clearly matured for this case.

The case, IMO, reads now as confident and logical, with clear associations between the 5 causes of action, and the legal principles, and the actions of the defendants. The assault cause of action (third cause of action) is now clearly against defendants Dina and Nina only—as directed by the last court order.

They also clearly are heading off a “war of experts” in court, IMO, by leaving the door open as to whether Rebecca was already dead, or still alive when she was thrown over the balcony. Because it’s not a criminal case, I think that’s a wise way to leave things. She died from manual strangulation just before, OR from the hanging/ asphyxiation once tossed off the balcony—either way the defendants would have known and intended Rebecca to die, and that’s what’s important in this kind of civil case, as I understand it.

I also appreciated the more definitively explained section on each of the plaintiffs, and why they have standing to bring the case, as well as who the defendants are, and why they are named as defendants. Despite what Nina said in the brief news coverage 3 weeks ago, it is clear in the complaint that she admitted to being there at Spreckles.

ALLEGATIONS OF SPECIFIC ACTS
ATTRIBUTED TO EACH DEFENDANT

Due to DINA's prior incidents of confronting and threatening
DECEDENT, DINA's prior history of being unable to control her anger, her
ridiculing and publicly demeaning the DECEDENT, before and after her death, for
allegedly causing harm and the eventual death of DINA's six-year-old son,
Maxfield, as well as her extreme jealousy over the DECEDENT's relationship with
her ex-husband, Jonah Shacknai, Plaintiffs allege, based in further part on an eye
witness report placing DINA at the Spreckels Mansion the evening of the murder at
approximately 10:20 PM, and based further on NINA's own admission placing her
at the Spreckels Mansion the evening of the murder at approximately 10:30 PM,

both individuals planned and intended to confront Rebecca Zahau over an accident
the prior day when DINA's son and NINA's nephew Maxfield fell over a second
floor railing at the Spreckels Mansion, causing him brain damage and eventually his
death on July 16, 2011. DECEDENT was babysitting Maxfield at the time of the
fall.

Page 7, Second Amended Complaint
(Line numbers removed for readability, and BBM.)

I also think everything alleged in the above section will be brought forth in court, including evidence of "Dina's prior incidents of confronting and threatening DECEDENT, Dina's prior history of being unable to control her anger, her ridiculing and publicly demeaning the DECEDENT, before and after her death..." etc. It's all coming in as evidence, IMO. Otherwise, they would never have spelled it out that specifically in the SAC.

The fifth cause of action, “conversion” (theft) is also now MUCH more clearly explained and connected. The “theft” of the clothes, of course, is a minimal dollar amount, but the concept of “conversion”, as I understand it, more fully encompasses the USE of the stolen personal property to achieve a personal benefit for the defendants—in this case, avoiding responsibility and detection for their actions in Rebecca’s murder.

The wrongdoer converts the goods to his or her own use and excludes the owner from use and enjoyment of them. The English Common Law early recognized such an act as wrongful and, by the middle of the fifteenth century, allowed an action in Trover to compensate the aggrieved owner.

Today the word conversion is still applied to the unlawful taking or use of someone else's property. The type of property that can be converted is determined by the original nature of the Cause of Action. It must be personal property, because real property cannot be lost and then found. It must be tangible, such as money, an animal, furniture, tools, or receipts. Crops or timber can be subject to conversion after they are severed from the ground. The rights in a paper—such as a life insurance policy, a stock certificate, or a promissory note—can be converted by one who appropriates the paper itself.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/conversion

Conversion, as a purely civil wrong, is distinguishable from both theft and unjust enrichment.
Theft is obviously an act inconsistent with another's rights, and theft will also be conversion. But not all conversions are thefts because conversion requires no element of dishonesty. Conversion is also different from unjust enrichment. If one claims an unjust enrichment, the person who has another's property may always raise a change of position defense, to say they have unwittingly used up the assets they were transferred. For conversion, there always must be an element of voluntarily dealing with another's property, inconsistently with their rights.

Conversion has been described as a fascinating tort,[8] albeit one which has largely eluded the attention of legal writers. The literature frequently laps over into that of trover.

A conversion occurs when a person does such acts in reference to the personal property of another as amount, in view of the law, to his appropriating the property for himself.

An action for conversion does not rest on knowledge[79][80][81] or intent of the defendant.[82] The act constituting "conversion" must be an intentional act, but does not require wrongful intent, and is not excused by care, good faith, or lack of knowledge.[83] Fraudulent intent is not an element of conversion.[84] The defendant is answerable for the conversion, no matter how good his intentions were, or how careful he has been, or how apparently well-founded was his belief that his tortious act was right.[85][85][86][87] The existence of probable cause does not preclude liability.[88] A person may be liable for conversion even though he was reasonably mistaken in thinking the facts to be such as would give him a legal right to the goods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_(law)

(BBM above.)

And as a side note, I only noticed a very few spelling errors, so to me, that indicates that this SAC received a LOT of review and proof reading before being filed, AND that it was re-written/ amended and filed within the timeline parameters in the last order. IANAL, but this SAC looks to me (in my experience as a teacher) comparable to the evolution of a student thesis over time—the initial “sloppy copies”, and now a more fully formed and matured thesis. JMO.
 
  • #820
Actually Dina's insurer, Chubb & Sons, is stuck with her. The last Case Management Statement indicates Chubb as her insurer and, as such, must defend their position. Lucky for Dina, though I wonder if her coverage extends up to the $10M.

Drats.
 
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