Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #3

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  • #1,881
Incessantly stating that this WDS case is only about money is insulting to each of us that are only posting for a fair and open examination of this case that we feel was so deeply flawed in its investigation. And we've all read the pleadings so constantly parroting them adds absolutely nothing original or compelling to this forum.
 
  • #1,882
Never a dull moment around here! :popcorn:

:autumn:
 
  • #1,883
Seems to be an awful lot of discussion on settlement lately. Not to mention "what if's" (Dina really did it, Rebecca really killed Max, etc). Me thinks it is getting close for the rubber to meet the road. I would think, but of course have no idea, that Dina's depo is imminent. Her (hopefully) truthful testimony is so overdue.

Dina hasn't been particularly cooperative with the courts in this case, or the one she filed in AZ against Jonah. (Good grief, she has been severely scolded, and chastised, and penalized in THAT case!) I have no reason to believe that she will "suddenly" become cooperative with the discovery process, and her deposition, in this case. I think she will probably refuse to answer many of the questions, so I'm not holding out much hope she will be forthcoming and entirely truthful. I'm expecting her to either be evasive and deflecting, or flatly refusing to answer-- IF she even cooperates enough to show up and sit in a deposition.

I really think she's teetering on the razor thin edge of being found in contempt in the AZ case-- so maybe she's counting on that to provide a convenient cover or distraction for her to further delay her cooperation in this CA case.

The interesting thing to contemplate, is whether Nina or Adam (or both) will make efforts to settle out of this case, before it is ready for trial. I can't help but notice that Adam willingly submitted to his deposition quite a while ago. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he's settled. Of all of the three defendants, he has the most urgent need to wrap this up and move on with his life, IMO. Dina and Nina have the time, the "energy", and the "lifestyle" that is necessary, to drag this out for as long as they can, IMO.
 
  • #1,884
First of all, I happen to KNOW Adam has neither condition. He is a very, very, smart and capable man. I also know the very last thing he would do in this world would be to cause his brother any pain.

Susan Boyle, who KZ mentioned, Temple Grandin, and your relatives are doing jobs that do not require managing other people. Adam's job does require that.

Again, I think it is a HUGE stretch to try diagnose ANYONE with Asperger's or Autism based on a few seconds of video.

Lash has proved that Nina's son does had Asperger's.

I can guarantee you that Adam DOES NOT.

JMO

So you do know at least one of these people?


MOO!!
 
  • #1,885
Dina hasn't been particularly cooperative with the courts in this case, or the one she filed in AZ against Jonah. (Good grief, she has been severely scolded, and chastised, and penalized in THAT case!) I have no reason to believe that she will "suddenly" become cooperative with the discovery process, and her deposition, in this case. I think she will probably refuse to answer many of the questions, so I'm not holding out much hope she will be forthcoming and entirely truthful. I'm expecting her to either be evasive and deflecting, or flatly refusing to answer-- IF she even cooperates enough to show up and sit in a deposition.

I really think she's teetering on the razor thin edge of being found in contempt in the AZ case-- so maybe she's counting on that to provide a convenient cover or distraction for her to further delay her cooperation in this CA case.

The interesting thing to contemplate, is whether Nina or Adam (or both) will make efforts to settle out of this case, before it is ready for trial. I can't help but notice that Adam willingly submitted to his deposition quite a while ago. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he's settled. Of all of the three defendants, he has the most urgent need to wrap this up and move on with his life, IMO. Dina and Nina have the time, the "energy", and the "lifestyle" that is necessary, to drag this out for as long as they can, IMO.

Adam in my opinion has not and will not settle.
Absolutely not. EVER. Where is this coming from? No one even knows him or his personality to say he will be the first to settle. You got this from a 911 recording? That's justice? Giving money to those accusing him of horrible things he did not do? That's bullying to me.

Respectfully, if this is about getting answers, how do the Zahaus get any answers by anyone settling? Again I will emphatically state that Adam will not settle.
 
  • #1,886
Incessantly stating that this WDS case is only about money is insulting to each of us that are only posting for a fair and open examination of this case that we feel was so deeply flawed in its investigation. And we've all read the pleadings so constantly parroting them adds absolutely nothing original or compelling to this forum.


How is that insulting to you? It is the Zahaus that are after money - unless, of course, you are suggesting that they have offered to pay those that have been posting rumors for them for four years.

Just the fact that the Zahaus are willing to settle , shows that they are after MONEY, not JUSTICE.


Too bad the case will be thrown out in February and the Zahaus will have to pay court costs. I imagine the Judge will fine them harshly for filing a false case.. Instead of anyone settling, as I believe the Zahaus wanted, I believe they will be paying for accusing innocent people of murder and for tying up TWO court systems with bogus claims.

The constant and ruthlessly untrue rumors about the victims DS, AS, JS, ES, GS, and NR that are "parroted" constantly also "adds absolutely nothing original or compelling to this forum."
 
  • #1,887
:goodpost:

Maybe they didn't get it from the 911 recording, perhaps they sleuthed that out from Adam's poly video?

Or maybe the numerologist that has written all of the blogs about Rebecca read it in his numbers?

:laughcry:

JMO

Wow...Adam is so different than how he is portrayed on here. As is everyone involved I guess.
 
  • #1,888
It would make no sense at all for Adam or Nina to settle. They just filed demurrers that almost guarantee the case will be thrown out of court in February!

Judge Bacall warned the Zahaus after the seventh iteration of their claim that they needed facts. No facts were added to the eighth iteration, because none of it ever happened. Rebecca Zahau committed suicide. That is a fact.

No one will settle in this case - the END is in sight now..

The Zahaus simply have NO case (because the WDS was all made up form internet rumors).
 
  • #1,889
Adam in my opinion has not and will not settle.
Absolutely not. EVER. Where is this coming from? No one even knows him or his personality to say he will be the first to settle. You got this from a 911 recording? That's justice? Giving money to those accusing him of horrible things he did not do? That's bullying to me.

Respectfully, if this is about getting answers how do the Zahaus get any answers by anyone settling? Again I will emphatically state that Adam will not settle.

:goodpost:

Maybe they didn't get the information that Adam would settle from the 911 recording, perhaps they sleuthed that out from Adam's poly video?

Or maybe the numerologist, Ed Peterson, that has written all of the blogs about Rebecca read it in his numbers?

http://www.meaningorigin.com/r/name/rebecca-zahau

https://rebeccazahaumurder.wordpress.com

https://rebeccazahaumurder.wordpress.com/numerology-for-homicides-and-suicides/

https://edverena.wordpress.com/2011/09/12/astrology-for-rebecca-zahau/

http://origin.namespage.com/posts/rebecca-


Or perhaps Nostradamus foretold of this settlement.

http://www.newprophecy.net

:laughcry:

JMO
 
  • #1,890
Well, we all have our opinions-- some are more expressive, for sure.

And I think Adam has the most to gain from wrapping up his involvement in this. He has an actual "real" responsible job and a career, and a family that supports him. And possibly a real excuse for the manner of his "involvement", that could be reconciled and settled. JMO.

I think it is sad and frustrating that blind supporters of Dina Shacknai have so little regard for Adam, and his situation in this lawsuit. He has so much to lose, relative to Dina and Nina. IMO. It seems so obvious to me, anyway. He is just collateral damage, and expendable, IMO. He's a tool to them, IMO.
 
  • #1,891
K_Z, I agree, I've always thought Adam would offer a settlement and Nina would follow. And, yeah, a tool in every sense of the word.

Also want to add, pretty sure someone has gone sideways with the mocking of the majority of the posters here. Making a mockery of this forum. JMO, of course.
 
  • #1,892
What is sad and frustrating to me is the continuous attack on Dina and Adam Shacknai and Nina Romano, for four years..

I believe certain posters thought it was murder from day one, and when it was clear to most that it was a suicide, and when it was ruled a suicide by LE, these individuals spread rumors to try and make it look like they were correct.

They simply can't admit they were and are wrong.

And then the Zahaus turned those rumors into a very, very, wrong Wrongful Death Suit.

Or maybe it's just because the numerology says it was murder? I do think there are some Zahau supporters that are actually unhinged, as those numerology and Nostradamus sites prove.

I am not a blind supporter of Dina. I am just a supporter of the innocent. And that includes Adam, GS, ES, Max, Jonah, Dina, Nina, and Guy. I am a supporter of the truth. Something the blind Zahau supporters don't seem to value.

What I find so telling is the HATE for Dina, the beloved mother of a little six-year-old boy that was fatally injured under the care of Rebecca Zahau.

Why not the HATE for Adam, who is (falsely) accused of strangling Rebecca Zahau to death? I think it is because you have nothing on Adam, so make-up things- like he has Asperger's or Autisim.

I think the HATE for Dina comes directly from Mary. We know Mary has never met Dina - she even refused to be on the same stage with Dina when they filmed the Dr. Phil show.

I believe the HATE comes from Rebecca herself, and I believe she spent long hours discussing how much she hated Dina with Mary. That's where I believe Mary's hate of Dina comes from. And Mary has influenced her followers.

I can think of no other plausible reasons so many would spread such horrible, vile, and malicious lies about the mother of a dead boy, who is dead due to the negligence of Rebecca Zahau.

And Rebeeca did not even have the decency to stick around and answer questions. I think you would have to have a lot of hate in your heart to do what she did - leave Jonah and Dina with no answers.

Again, it would make no sense to settle this suit when you are innocent, and when less than four months the case will be dismissed. Very faulty logic to think it would be dismissed at this point. No one has settled to date, but they will now that the end is in sight? Ludicris!

No, the suit will not be settled. it will be thrown out, and the Zahaus will have to pay. Just wait and see.



JMO
 
  • #1,893
lulu,

If you really, really believe the WDS will be dismissed, and if you really, really believe all will end well with the defendants, why do you spend most your time here, decrying this forum, denouncing most of the posters and vilifying their posts? Why do you tangle yourself in with a group of people who have an opposite mindset of your your own?

You want DS left alone, correct? Show the video of her at Rady, for the time of question, simple as that.

Oh, right. Not possible. There is no video, no evidence of her at Rady for the time in question.
 
  • #1,894
Well, we all have our opinions-- some are more expressive, for sure.

And I think Adam has the most to gain from wrapping up his involvement in this. He has an actual "real" responsible job and a career, and a family that supports him. And possibly a real excuse for the manner of his "involvement", that could be reconciled and settled. JMO.

I think it is sad and frustrating that blind supporters of Dina Shacknai have so little regard for Adam, and his situation in this lawsuit. He has so much to lose, relative to Dina and Nina. IMO. It seems so obvious to me, anyway. He is just collateral damage, and expendable, IMO. He's a tool to them, IMO.

I guess I am one who supports Dina, and I have regard for Adam, but he doesn't get trashed on here like Dina does so no real need to defend him. I suppose I also see that he is not the one who had his one and only son taken from him, and I honestly do not think he has done anything in regard to Rebecca except call 911. I do not feel he will settle, would you settle on something that you were innocent about? I sure wouldn't, and he is not a millionaire with money to burn so to me I see him as the least likely to settle but thats just my opinion.

I rarely post on this thread because I know I am in the minority and the minority tends to get bashed on here. I used to believe that Rebecca was killed. But have since changed my mind. I also believe that Max was killed, I no more buy his falling down the stairs, knocking down a chandelier and landing on a bannister on the other end of the stairwell than some of you buy the suicide scenerio . It defies gravity and logic.... The only one with the answers is dead and I feel she is dead because she did not want to have to answer those questions.
I came to this conclusion based on my feelings and the fact that LE stated that this was a suicide. Among other reasons etc.

I know that you all think Dina killed Rebecca and once I did also... Did she think Rebecca killed her son...most likely, at least early on, did she want answers? Heck yea she did who wouldn't? Did she kill Rebecca? I doubt it.

How many of you have lost a child and went out and got revenge on the person you felt did something to your child? I think that rarely happens.
In fact when my little brother was killed at 16, my fathers only son. He forgave the person that killed him, he hugged him and told him that it wasn't his fault (He was hit by a car). He cried, my little brother was his world, his legs gave out from him at the funeral and he had to be helped to walk. I saw my strong 6 ft 4 father hurt so badly and deeply that it broke my heart to pieces his pain was visible to everyone.

Now, my father did get to speak to the other young person that killed my brother (On the day of the funeral) and maybe that helped but he had never expressed a desire ever to exact revenge on anyone it was never a thought that I ever heard. I know it always bothered me that a drug or alcohol test was never done on the driver.

I honestly do not think that Dina would have done something so terrible to Rebecca. I do think she would want answers and I do feel that she deserved some answers and that eventually someone was going to have to sit down and give them but unfortunately she will never get them, and I also feel that the Zahau's will never get the answers they are looking for but that is just my opinion.

Oh I also wanted to say that I do not blame Dina for her wrongful death suit against Jonah, they had been married, they had a son together and this son was on his fathers watch when this happened. Honestly, Rebecca was not even married to Jonah yet, so yes Jonah has some accountability to his son and Dina in regards to what happened to him.

I would hate to think that every girlfriend of my ex husbands fancied herself my sons mother..I would honestly be upset about that. Especially if he was a known skirt chaser.

Oh one other thing I wanted to mention. I know everyone talks about Dina and Jonahs previous dysfunctional relationship and how it seemed somewhat abusive. I do feel that sometimes a person gravitates toward things like this. Maybe Jonah gravitated toward abusive relationships. Maybe they were just young and stupid, but it was both of them and we don't know that both or either of them didn't continue to have abusive relationships honestly. We don't live with them so it's hard to know. Alot of things that go on behind closed doors are not known.

I will be very surprised if come February or March or April we have any more information than we have now...I just do not see it happening.
 
  • #1,895
Adam will NEVER settle this case after being accused by the Zahaus of committing a horrible murder - of strangling another human being to death.

What person in their right mind (which Adam is) would GIVE MONEY to a family that has, harassed, and made up and spread such VILE and VISCOUS rumors about them and their family???

NO ONE - and certainly not Adam!!!


And WHY would he settle a sham case, when it will be thrown out of court in February?

As to Adam, Dina, and Nina not working together, all you have to do is read their latest Demurrers to see that they being up many of the same points. So I'd say they are working together, and to say they aren't - with nothing to back that up - is just another unfounded rumor, IMO.

Adam certainly isn't planning on settling according to his latest demurrer:


I. INTRODUCTION

After two years, during which Plaintiffs’ counsel have filed eight separate iterations of their complaint in federal and state court, the allegations before this Court remain insufficient and, therefore, the demurrer should be sustained without leave to amend and the case should be dismissed with prejudice. As explained in previous briefing, Rebecca Zahau’s tragic death was, after a thorough investigation by law enforcement, determined to be a suicide. Unable to accept this conclusion, Plaintiffs’ counsel filed parallel federal and state cases with nothing more than threadbare allegations that three individuals conspired to murder her. Yet after four years of investigation and four sets of counsel, the only allegation connecting Defendant Adam Shacknai to the purported conspiracy is based on a “belief” held by the Plaintiffs. Where an allegation is based on nothing more than a “belief,” it is black-letter law that the allegation must be accompanied by allegations setting forth facts upon which the belief is founded. Gomes v.Countrywide Home Loans, Inc. 192 Cal. App. 4th 1149, 1159 (2011). The Second Amended Complaint, however, fails to make any such allegations. After eight attempts to state a claim against Mr. Shacknai, enough is enough. This demurrer should be sustained, and this time, sustained without leave to amend.

IV. ARGUMENT

A. No Factual Basis Is Set Forth for the Allegations Against Mr. Shacknai.

As the Court explained in its May 1 order: “Allegations based on information and belief must set forth facts upon which the belief is founded. Gomes v. Countrywide Home Loans, Inc.
(2011) 192 Cal. App. 4th 1149, 1159; Dowling v. Spring Val. Water Co. (1917) 174 Cal. 218, 221.” Order at 4. Rader Decl. Ex. M at 4. Indeed, Gomes makes clear that “[a] pleading made on information and belief is insufficient if it merely asserts the facts so alleged without alleging such information that leads the plaintiff to believe that the allegations are true.” Id., 192 Cal. App. 4th at 1158.

Under this standard, the SAC is insufficient. Like the FAC, the allegations that connect Mr. Shacknai to the purported conspiracy remain unchanged—they are alleged only on information and belief. That is, the FAC alleges nothing more than: “Plaintiffs believe that at this time, ADAM, who . . . was sleeping in the guest house at the residence, was awakened by the commotion and came to the scene.” FAC ¶ 21 (emphasis added). Although the SAC has certain additional allegations as to the other defendants, there are none with respect to Mr. Shacknai. Rather, the SAC simply recycles the same sentence from the FAC, which this Court already has found insufficient: “Plaintiffs believe that at this time, ADAM, who . . . was sleeping in the guest house at the residence, was awakened by the commotion and came to the scene.” SAC ¶ 22 (emphasis added). Simply, the SAC utterly fails to allege any information that leads Plaintiffs (or their counsel) to believe this allegation is true. Therefore, Mr. Shacknai’s demurrer should be granted.

C. The Court Should Dismiss the Claims Against Mr. Shacknai With Prejudice.


The allegations of the SAC—which, between the various complaints submitted to this Court and in federal court, are in their eighth iteration—accuse Mr. Shacknai of a heinous crime. Yet after these myriad iterations, and after being directed by this Court to plead the facts that lead Plaintiffs and their counsel to include the allegations made on information and belief, the only allegation that supposedly connects Mr. Shacknai to the purported conspiracy has no factual basis. The SAC merely recites the same unsupported “belief” allegation from the defective prior complaint: “Plaintiffs believe that at this time, ADAM, who . . . was sleeping in the guest house at the, was awakened by the commotion and came to the scene.” SAC ¶ 22 (emphasis added).

Not only is responding to the various iterations of the complaint taking their toll on the defendants, so are the media reports. For example, on the same day as the August 1, 2014 CMC—at which the parties agreed the Plaintiffs would file an amended complaint before this Court—an article dappeared stating: “Attorneys for both sides will be back in court next January [i.e., January 2015] to set a trial date.” Rader Decl. Ex. O. The article quoted Plaintiffs’ counsel extensively, including with respect to the allegations as to Mr. Shacknai. Id. Most recently, approximately a week after the Court ordered Plaintiffs’ counsel to re-plead the complaint, yet another article appeared about this case. Plaintiffs’ counsel “told NBC7 there is now a piece of evidence he thinks could be the key to this mysterious case: an audio recording of investigators interviewing a woman who was near the Spreckels Mansion before Zahau's body was discovered.” Id. Ex. P. It is unclear why this merited the coverage it received. Four years ago, Plaintiffs’ then-counsel was brandishing this exact information as “new compelling evidence” in support of her contention that the Decedent was murdered. Id. Ex. Q.

After eight iterations of the complaint spanning nearly two years in both federal and state court, Plaintiffs’ counsel have alleged nothing more than they “believe” Mr. Shacknai joined the purported conspiracy. At this point, the only conclusion to be drawn is that they have alleged nothing more because they cannot. As a matter of law, that a plaintiff “believes” someone committed a wrong is not enough to require someone to stand trial. Therefore, the SAC should be dismissed with prejudice.


V. CONCLUSION

After four years of investigation, four sets of counsel, and eight iterations of the complaint, Plaintiffs’ counsel have been unable to come forward with any allegation for including Mr. Shacknai as a defendant in this case other than a belief for which they have no factual basis. Therefore, the Complaint and each of its causes of action should be dismissed as to Mr. Shacknai, and dismissed with prejudice.


Dated: June 1, 2015 WINSTON & STRAWN LLP

If the Zahaus are willing to SETTLE, that proves to me that this has NEVER been about JUSTICE, but about trying to frame innocent people of MURDER to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Thank you for posting this June document.


V. CONCLUSION

After four years of investigation, four sets of counsel, and eight iterations of the complaint, Plaintiffs’ counsel have been unable to come forward with any allegation for including Mr. Shacknai as a defendant in this case other than a belief for which they have no factual basis. Therefore, the Complaint and each of its causes of action should be dismissed as to Mr. Shacknai, and dismissed with prejudice.

I cannot imagine how AS must feel about all of this happening since he arrived at Spreckels following the injury of his nephew. I wonder how much money that he has spent in defending himself against the allegations that hold no merit?

RIP Little Maxie
 
  • #1,896
I think this is all very sad- I don't think any of this is funny. I certainly couldn't imagine my self posting emoji's laughing their head off with tears squirting out of their eyes. No one who is here supporting Rebecca is doing it out of malice or malcontent. We believe a grave injustice has been done and want to see things set right- at the very least truth's to finally be told- let the chips fall where they may. I am looking for justice.

If I am wrong, then so be it. People are falsely accused in our system of justice and perpetrators of crimes get away with their crimes. All. The. Time. It happens. Law enforcement makes mistakes, Attorneys make mistakes, coroners make mistakes and each one of us here is capable of making a mistake or coming to a wrong conclusion. We have a system of justice in this country and it can be flawed too.

Outside of one of us here actually being one of the defendants NONE of us know for certain what took place that fateful night- THAT IS A FACT- so to behave otherwise is disingenuous at best and malicious and manipulative at worst.

I am a mother, so my heart breaks for Dina in regard to what happened to Max but contrary to some posters continuous protestations this thread is for the wrongful death lawsuit of Rebecca- NOT a wrongful death lawsuit for Max.

I want justice, that is why I am here. I have no ulterior motives for being here. I know NONE of the parties in this tragic situation. I get an uncomfortable feeling reading certain posts here because something in me feels off and my intuition tells me that something isn't right- there is an ulterior motive and that bothers the heck out of me. There are times when I think of never returning to this forum and then I realize maybe that is exactly what a certain someone is aiming for.

I am going back to never reading certain posts again. I don't like to do that- I want all sides of the story- but I have to remember that I want all sides when I believe all sides want the same thing that I do- justice... letting the chips fall where they may. People are wrongly and rightly accused of heinous crimes all the time. There are significant reasons these three are being accused of what they are- not just some willy-nilly baseless vendetta. I will be glad to see them cleared- if that is justice.

None of this makes me laugh, feel good or find joy in baseless, overtly malicious bashing of fellow posters. I hope I show kindness and respect for fellow sleuthers here who are also seeking justice, even if their opinion differs from mine. I understand wanting to see people cleared of being wrongly accused but I do not appreciate feeling like someone has less than above board reasons for the things that they post. No one likes feeling manipulated or deceived. Anyway, I won't leave, I am here for justice and I appreciate everyone else who is too.

May justice come swiftly and soundly and right whomever has been wronged in this sad and tragic death. If Rebecca committed suicide let those who have been falsely accused be cleared and let justice prevail. If Rebecca was murdered let her murderer(s) be punished. This is my prayer.
 
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Frigga I tried to send you a PM but your mailbox was full.
 
  • #1,898
SweetT and Deede, thank you so much for you posts. I really appreciate that you took the time to express how you feel about the case.

:tyou:

Yes, SweetT, the minority is relentlessly bashed here, but I continue to post because I feel the truth needs to be told. I find it like up-side down world here sometime - being on the side of LE where there is plenty of physical and circumstantial evidence is bad, but being on the side where there is no evidence at all is good? That leaves me shaking my head some nights.

I was very sorry to hear you lost your brother. I know you must still miss him.

When I was a child, the Father of the family that lived across the street from me, Mr. Smallwood, hit a little boy riding a bike and killed him. Mr. Smallwood had been a very pleasant, happy man and was maybe in his late thirties then - he was never the same after that accident. They moved away a few years later, and I've often wondered what became of him.

I do not think the boy's family ever attempted to murder Mr. Smallwood out of revenge.
 
  • #1,899
snipped and BBM

First of all, I happen to KNOW Adam has neither condition. He is a very, very, smart and capable man. I also know the very last thing he would do in this world would be to cause his brother any pain....


I can guarantee you that Adam DOES NOT.


JMO

lulu, tell us how you know Adam please. :drumroll:

Oh wait, I won't hold my breath as you very rarely if ever, answer other posters ???, do you?
 
  • #1,900
I am so sorry SweetT- I can't even imagine. Thank you for sharing something so personal. I appreciate your candor and where you are coming from. You make valid, thought provoking points for me to ponder.

I will go clear out my inbox, if you want to try again.
 
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