Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #4

No Max would still be alive had Dina PICKED UP HER SON AS SHE WAS SCHEDULED TO THAT MORNING AT 10am. How coincidental that at the same time Dina was supposed to have retrieved her son at the Spreckels mansion that was the same time Max then had the accident and Dina was then NOWHERE to be found for 4-6 hours thereafter? Hmmm....Hmmm....Very HINKY.

Hi Jessica :wave:

FWIW, in the very early days of the investigation(s) the story was Dina was scheduled to pick Max up before noon. I don't know where this detail came from. Maybe Bourne has a link? Whether it was reported and scrubbed or maybe a comment made somewhere? When creating the timeline here for WS I could not found a link to support this.

What we do have is an interview with Tricia and Zahau attorney at the time, Marty Rudoy. Attorney Rudoy does not mention any plans for Dina to pick Max up that day. In his interview Rudoy states the plans for the the day were to go to the beach.

WS Timeline-

10:00 AM – Rebecca and Max wake XZ. She was to shower and Max clean his room. They had plans to go to the beach. According to Attorney Marty Rudoy.

About 19:00 mark-
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2012/08/13/tricias-true-crime-radio

Hi Lash,

My notes in the timeline show that Dina provided this information in a press conference she gave about Max's custody arrangement she had with Jonah.

Looks like we need to find it in the transcripts of her press conferences.

IIRC, in the very early first few weeks it WAS reported Dina Romano was to pick Maxie up at 10 am. Sorry, no link.

The reason it stayed in my brain is because Jonah and LE were frantically trying to locate her. For hours and hours. :banghead::maddening::notgood:

I remember at the time, still think of it often, was it a habit Dina Romano didn't pick up her child? While Max was with his father, did she not make herself available to JS or Max? :thinking:
 
Alas, just want to say, imo, there are alot of reasons Dina Romano lost all control, one of them being off the grid that morning into mid-afternoon culminating in a ton of grief and guilt.....displaced it, imo, and killed Rebecca.

If she were able, I believe she would have killed JS too.
 
snipped & BBM

San Diego County currently has no Sunshine Ordinance under the FOIA.....

So there is no path for the San Diego media to get the SDCSO case file released so the public would at last learn WHOLE truth.

But the fact is,...

....each of the defendants have the case file.

Holy Crap. WOW.

I imagine Dina Romano would certainly release the portion proving she was at Rady during the hours in question. Perhaps she refuses to have it released?

:jail: ???
 
snipped & BBM



....each of the defendants have the case file.

Holy Crap. WOW.

I imagine Dina Romano would certainly release the portion proving she was at Rady during the hours in question. Perhaps she refuses to have it released?

:jail: ???



I'll take Obvious Answers for a hundred, screecher.

Thank you and thank you everyone for keeping this real and upfront.
 
Hi Lash,

My notes in the timeline show that Dina provided this information in a press conference she gave about Max's custody arrangement she had with Jonah.

Looks like we need to find it in the transcripts of her press conferences.

Thank you Betty!

I remember this detail. It was part of that morning timeline from the very beginning. I don't believe it was just made up. Whether true or not. It was relevant and discussed at great length. It came from somewhere.

Myself and a couple of members tried to locate a link or some sort of documentation. We came up empty. I would very much like to find where it came from. Do your notes have any more detail, maybe a date of the press conference? The press conference is a start. Dina has given a few press conferences. TIA :)
 
Becky's limp didn't appear to be much of a hinderance at all:


According to William K. Christian, an ophthalmologist who worked closely with her:

“She could run like a gazelle. She ran up Camelback Mountain in 32 minutes"

and "competed in last year’s Rock ’n’ Roll Marathon—26.2 miles—without even training for it,” says another friend.

http://www.newsweek.com/what-really-happened-coronado-mansion-67411

I'm happy Rebecca's injury didn't hinder her. It appears she very much enjoyed working out.

From the link, one trainer states her limp was like someone who could not put her full weight down on a foot because of a blister or sore. It does make we wonder, when standing, was Rebecca able to put her full weight on both feet? If not, might this show in her footprints? One print, say the left side, may not have the same weight pressure leaving a difference in the two prints? Like maybe an arch on the left foot?

I guess we will never know since SDSO did not do a full footprint analysis on the prints found on the balcony. They just compared the size. SDSO stated many people had been in the mansion leading up to the days just before the tragedies occurred. One of the reasons they gave for not testing the panties. How did they know the footprints were not one of these many people?
 
I'm happy Rebecca's injury didn't hinder her. It appears she very much enjoyed working out.

From the link, one trainer states her limp was like someone who could not put her full weight down on a foot because of a blister or sore. It does make we wonder, when standing, was Rebecca able to put her full weight on both feet? If not, might this show in her footprints? One print, say the left side, may not have the same weight pressure leaving a difference in the two prints? Like maybe an arch on the left foot?

I guess we will never know since SDSO did not do a full footprint analysis on the prints found on the balcony. They just compared the size. SDSO stated many people had been in the mansion leading up to the days just before the tragedies occurred. One of the reasons they gave for not testing the panties. How did they know the footprints were not one of these many people?

wow, really interesting! great posts lately from everyone
 
Thank you Betty!

I remember this detail. It was part of that morning timeline from the very beginning. I don't believe it was just made up. Whether true or not. It was relevant and discussed at great length. It came from somewhere.

Myself and a couple of members tried to locate a link or some sort of documentation. We came up empty. I would very much like to find where it came from. Do your notes have any more detail, maybe a date of the press conference? The press conference is a start. Dina has given a few press conferences. TIA :)

It was discussed extensively on Patch, back in the day. I agree, had to come from somewhere. It seemed a known fact that Dina was supposed to pick Max up at 10, but never showed. Then, after the accident, she couldn't be reached for hours. As things began to be scrubbed, the link to this information was deleted. What I've never been able to align was this knowledge that Dina was to pick him up at 10am with the commentary that Rebecca was taking them to the beach. The good news is that I would imagine that Rebecca's sister could corroborate the plans for the day. And the schedule.
 
267 01/12/2016 Summary Judgment / Summary Adjudication (Civil) scheduled for 01/13/2017 at 08:45:00 AM at Central in C-69 Katherine Bacal.

I believe Adam's Summary Judgement is next month. This must be either Dina or Nina's! Whoo-Hoo, it will all be over soon! When Adam's Summary Judgement is upheld, it is OVER - afterall, it is Adam that the Zahau's have maliciously accused of murdering their sister - the one that TOOK HER OWN LIFE AS PROVED BY LE.

:happydance:

:rockon:
 
It was discussed extensively on Patch, back in the day. I agree, had to come from somewhere. It seemed a known fact that Dina was supposed to pick Max up at 10, but never showed. Then, after the accident, she couldn't be reached for hours. As things began to be scrubbed, the link to this information was deleted. What I've never been able to align was this knowledge that Dina was to pick him up at 10am with the commentary that Rebecca was taking them to the beach. The good news is that I would imagine that Rebecca's sister could corroborate the plans for the day. And the schedule.

Yes, Rebecca's sister should be able to shed some light on what the schedule was that day.


It would also be interesting if someone could shed light on where Dina was that day. According to the timeline, Max was taken to Coronado ER at 10:30 am, when police tried to contact her. After Max was transferred to Rady, Dina didn't show up until 2:30 pm.
 
Thank you Betty!

I remember this detail. It was part of that morning timeline from the very beginning. I don't believe it was just made up. Whether true or not. It was relevant and discussed at great length. It came from somewhere.

Myself and a couple of members tried to locate a link or some sort of documentation. We came up empty. I would very much like to find where it came from. Do your notes have any more detail, maybe a date of the press conference? The press conference is a start. Dina has given a few press conferences. TIA :)

No, my notes don't have any more detail. I do remember it well and am guessing it came from one of the press conferences Dina gave where she complained about Jonah and the custody arrangements, etc. Perhaps it was when she was challenging SDSO over evidence?
 
Can you provide a link to support your statement?

I can supply MANY:

1. "The sheriff has determined that cell phone evidence and video cameras at the hospital confirmed that Jonah Shacknai was at the hospital standing vigil for Max the entire time when Rebecca Zahau’s suicide occurred.Video cameras at the hospital also showed Dina was there during that time period."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bysitter*rebecca*zahau*s*death*no*murder.html

2. In the audio interview of Nina Romano, she states that Dina had nurses as witnesses and was also on surveillance footage.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15145788/sister?clienttype=printable

3. In Ann Rules "Two Strange Deaths in Coronado" written with the input of Anne Bremner and Mary Zahau), she states on page 214:

"The bicyclist must have been mistaken. Numerous witnesses place Dina in the hospital at Max's bedside throughout Tuesday night.

"She (Ann Rule) did not travel to Coronado or to Arizona, where Shacknai lives, to conduct her research, Rule said, but talked extensively with Zahau's loved ones, who believe she was killed. She also has a long*time friendship with Seattle attorney Anne Bremner, who is representing."

http://patch.com/california/coronado/celebrated*author*ann*rule*turns*her*attention*to*spraecafa7a51

4. From A Boy Interrupted, Phoenix Magazine, Aug. 2012

"Dina says she got the news at the hospital. Jonah was sobbing. he said, Rebecca's killed herself," Dina recalls. As Dina was leaving the hospital, a Coronado police detective paid her a visit. "Are you aware of what happened?" he asked.

The detective would have confirmed at that time with the nurses that Dina had been there all night, IMO.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...u*Spreckels*Mansion*2011*Death*303178091.html

5. However, regardless of our lack of complete information thus far, I could not comment on Mr. Greer's statement as I was with my son Maxie at Rady’s Hospital in Pediatric Intensive Care, praying for his recovery, and watching him fight for his life, trying to breathe on his own while on a ventilator.”

She adds:

“It would be impossible for me to hear any disturbances at Jonah's home as I was with our son alone at a hospital miles away. As well, my sister, Nina was with her son, and our close friend, none of whom heard a disturbance as they were five blocks from Jonah's house on Ocean Blvd.

My sister and I would again publicly like to extend, for the fourth time since 2012, our offer to share all of the information we have with the Zahau’s and ask that they reciprocate. Perhaps an exchange of accurate data could help both families find answers, healing, and resolution.”


Source:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...nsion*2011*Death*303178091.html#ixzz3fL53Fpju


And some of my favorite points from Dina's incredible Demurrer:


pg. 4 Memorandum of Points and Authorities

1. Introduction "Defendants were careful to remove any evidence of their involvement." It may be a parapraxis, but its an admission nonetheless: Plaintiffs admit they have no evidence that defendants were involved in any alleged murder.

II Summary of Argument The Court should sustain this demurrer because every claim against Ms. Shacknai is premised exclusively on charging allegations that are made "on-information-and-belief,' all of which are either not supported by any information at all, or upon information which in no way connects Ms. Shacknai, or the other defendants, as having done the things alleged, or upon other allegations that are themselves also insufficiently made" on-information-and-belief." Plantiiffs' allegations are therefore insufficient as a matter of law.

Additionally Ms. Shacknai demurrers specially to the second cause of actions for Battery on the grounds that it is legally uncertain because it alleges in the disjunctive that Ms. Shacknai may not have committed a battery on decedent.

IV Plandtiffs' first cause of action is for Wrongful Death. But Plaintiffs specifically allege that "Adam chocked Rebecca to death." So the only way the Plaintiffs can state a viable claim against Ms. Shacknai for Wrongful Death is if Plaintiffs' allegations establish that she is potentially vicariously liable based on Plaintiffs' conspiracy allegations.

pg. 6. line 21

Thus the first question is whether Plaintiffs have sufficiently alleged the basis for their belief that Adam killed decedent. Without sufficiently alleging a basis for that belief, Plaintiffs' claim for Wrongful Death against Ms. Shacknai necessarily fails because Ms. Shacknai cannot be liable as a co-conspirator if the basis of the allegation that the person alleged to be directly liable of the underlying tort is legally insufficient.

Here, Plaintiffs allege that the basis of their believe that Adam killed decedent is "the injuries sustained by Rebecca on the amount of strength needed to create such injury. But that information does not in any way logical or rationally connect Adam to decedent's death. This information does not tell us why Adam, as opposed to anyone else, killed decedent. It excludes literaly anyone in the world who has the same or greater strength than Adam as someone who could have killed the decedent. The alleged basis for the belief is a non-sequitur relative to the allegation.

Of course, the reason the purported information does not have any rational relation to the charging allegation is because Plaintiffs admit that in fact, theyt have no facts to allege in support of the assertion that Adam killed decedent. The qualifying allegation that defendants removed all of the evidence has no basis at all and therefore it cannot be accepted as true. Which leaves us with the simple and unavoidable conclusion that Plaintiffs have no evidence - no facts - to base this or another charging allegation or claim against Ms. Shacknai or any other defendant. The law requires that this conclusion be reached because it is a judicial admission of a fact that is conclusively deemed true against the pleader.

pg 8 line 4. The problem with this is that the very allegations that Dina and Nina were involved at all, or were even in the house at all on the morning of decedent's death, amoung other things are themselves allegation-made-on-information-and-belief without a sufficient, rational basis; it's the allegation-made-on-information-and-belief equivalent of double and triple and quadruple hearsay...

V. Conclusion

Ms. Shacknai takes very seriously Plaintiffs' admission that they have no evidence in support of the involvement of any defendant in any alleged murder of decedent. It is a quintessential parapraxis. And it's the reason Plaintiffs have pled their complaint the way they have. Its literally impossible that Plaintiffs have any information to support the allegations they are making. Plaintiffs of course, have the entire investigatory files from the investigating agencies and they therefore are able to pilfer any and all facts from the investigations that they believe implicates Ms. Shacknai and the other defendants. Yet the only charging allegation concerning Ms. Shacknai that is not based on information and belief is that of a witness who thinks he saw her outside the house on the evening before the morning that decedent was found dead. That alone cannot save Plaintifs' complaint. The demurrer should be sustained.

The Zahaus case will be thrown out of court, because they have no evidence...their allegations only exist as true in the minds of their small group of followers. I really think the Zahaus know Rebecca committed suicide...and have known all along - it has all been about $$$$$$$$.
 
Nope. Not even close to being a fact. Not until there is proof.

If the Zahau's can produce evidence in court showing Dina Shacknai wearing a short sleeve striped shirt carrying a large black bag, this would bolster the witnesses testimony that it was Dina he had seen at the mansion that night.

Taken from Nina Romano's interview and a witness who has alleged to have seen Dina Shacknai at the mansion that night. There are discrepancies between her and his account of that evening.

• 9:41 pm vs 10:41 pm text message
• Nina's 10:00 pm timeline vs 10:20 pm sighting of a woman at the mansion
• Witness described seeing a woman carrying a large black bag vs a small pink wristlet
• Witness described seeing a woman with long dark hair vs medium length blonde hair
• Witness described seeing a short sleeve stripped shirt vs a gray jacket

--Romano gave News 8 a copy of her Verizon cell phone bill showing an outgoing message to Zahau's cell phone at 9:41 p.m. For some unexplained reason, Zahau's phone records showed a time stamp indicating the text was received by Zahau at 10:41 p.m., exactly one hour later.

Both cell phones were in California at the time and in July, Arizona time is the same as California time. Zahau and her boyfriend Jonah Shacknai lived in Arizona and vacationed during the summer at the oceanfront home in Coronado.

--Romano said she never received a response to that 9:41 p.m. text message, so she decided to walk to the mansion to see if she could talk to Zahau about Max's fall.

--Romano said she was wearing black yoga pants, a gray tank top and a gray yoga jacket.

"I was carrying a pink, Coach wristlet. It's very small. It's enough to put a cell phone, a pack of gum, a lip gloss, your ID; that's what it's for, which the police took photos of, so they have photos of it," said Romano.

--A passerby did notice a woman at the house that night and reported it to police following Zahau's death July 13. But that witness's description of the woman does not match that of Nina Romano, according to Zahau family attorney Anne Bremner.

--"The witness sent me a picture of Dina and said it was Dina," according to Bremner, who said the witness was riding a bicycle by the home at approximately 10:20 p.m. on July 12.

"He was going by and saw somebody with a large, black bag trying to get in the front door and looking around and going to the back of the house," Bremner said. "She was 40 to 50 years, 5'5", 170 to 190 lbs., long dark hair; wearing a black and white striped short sleeve shirt," said Bremner.

"He is positive it (was) Dina and she was acting very suspiciously," Bremner wrote. "He has seen subsequent news reports that said Nina was out front and he said that's not the person he saw."

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths
 
It might be difficult for the Zahau's to produce evidence of what Dina was wearing since SDSO does not have her on the Rady's video surveillance tape.

SDSO Briefing 11/17:

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8:
 Was she on surveillance tape the night of the murder – er, the night of the death, of Rebecca’s death?

GORE:
 [Exhales deeply – pushes back from table, sound of two thumps on table, addresses someone in the back of the room]
Um -- I will put... Who do we have back there? Um, Dave, I don't believe we have her -- did you hear the question?

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8: 
I understand Jonah may have been on surveillance tape but not Dina. Is that right?

GORE:
 Let’s get an exact answer for you. Right. Yeah... yeah.

---LATER

GORE:
 I forgot what the question was.

REPORTER:
 Dina on surveillance tape.

GORE:
[Peruses document for 20 seconds] We don’t have her on surveillance tape. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, which put her in the vicinity of Rady's Children's Hospital.
 
267 01/12/2016 Summary Judgment / Summary Adjudication (Civil) scheduled for 01/13/2017 at 08:45:00 AM at Central in C-69 Katherine Bacal.

I believe Adam's Summary Judgement is next month. This must be either Dina or Nina's! Whoo-Hoo, it will all be over soon! When Adam's Summary Judgement is upheld, it is OVER - afterall, it is Adam that the Zahau's have maliciously accused of murdering their sister - the one that TOOK HER OWN LIFE AS PROVED BY LE.

:happydance:

:rockon:

Hi LuckyLucy2,

We have learned from following this case a motion for summary judgment must be filed for a summary judgment hearing. Has Adam filed a motion for summary judgment? TIA
 
I can supply MANY:

1. "The sheriff has determined that cell phone evidence and video cameras at the hospital confirmed that Jonah Shacknai was at the hospital standing vigil for Max the entire time when Rebecca Zahau’s suicide occurred.Video cameras at the hospital also showed Dina was there during that time period."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bysitter*rebecca*zahau*s*death*no*murder.html

2. In the audio interview of Nina Romano, she states that Dina had nurses as witnesses and was also on surveillance footage.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15145788/sister?clienttype=printable

3. In Ann Rules "Two Strange Deaths in Coronado" written with the input of Anne Bremner and Mary Zahau), she states on page 214:

"The bicyclist must have been mistaken. Numerous witnesses place Dina in the hospital at Max's bedside throughout Tuesday night.

"She (Ann Rule) did not travel to Coronado or to Arizona, where Shacknai lives, to conduct her research, Rule said, but talked extensively with Zahau's loved ones, who believe she was killed. She also has a long*time friendship with Seattle attorney Anne Bremner, who is representing."

http://patch.com/california/coronado/celebrated*author*ann*rule*turns*her*attention*to*spraecafa7a51

4. From A Boy Interrupted, Phoenix Magazine, Aug. 2012

"Dina says she got the news at the hospital. Jonah was sobbing. he said, Rebecca's killed herself," Dina recalls. As Dina was leaving the hospital, a Coronado police detective paid her a visit. "Are you aware of what happened?" he asked.

The detective would have confirmed at that time with the nurses that Dina had been there all night, IMO.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...u*Spreckels*Mansion*2011*Death*303178091.html

5. However, regardless of our lack of complete information thus far, I could not comment on Mr. Greer's statement as I was with my son Maxie at Rady’s Hospital in Pediatric Intensive Care, praying for his recovery, and watching him fight for his life, trying to breathe on his own while on a ventilator.”

She adds:

“It would be impossible for me to hear any disturbances at Jonah's home as I was with our son alone at a hospital miles away. As well, my sister, Nina was with her son, and our close friend, none of whom heard a disturbance as they were five blocks from Jonah's house on Ocean Blvd.

My sister and I would again publicly like to extend, for the fourth time since 2012, our offer to share all of the information we have with the Zahau’s and ask that they reciprocate. Perhaps an exchange of accurate data could help both families find answers, healing, and resolution.”


Source:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...nsion*2011*Death*303178091.html#ixzz3fL53Fpju


And some of my favorite points from Dina's incredible Demurrer:


pg. 4 Memorandum of Points and Authorities

1. Introduction "Defendants were careful to remove any evidence of their involvement." It may be a parapraxis, but its an admission nonetheless: Plaintiffs admit they have no evidence that defendants were involved in any alleged murder.

II Summary of Argument The Court should sustain this demurrer because every claim against Ms. Shacknai is premised exclusively on charging allegations that are made "on-information-and-belief,' all of which are either not supported by any information at all, or upon information which in no way connects Ms. Shacknai, or the other defendants, as having done the things alleged, or upon other allegations that are themselves also insufficiently made" on-information-and-belief." Plantiiffs' allegations are therefore insufficient as a matter of law.

Additionally Ms. Shacknai demurrers specially to the second cause of actions for Battery on the grounds that it is legally uncertain because it alleges in the disjunctive that Ms. Shacknai may not have committed a battery on decedent.

IV Plandtiffs' first cause of action is for Wrongful Death. But Plaintiffs specifically allege that "Adam chocked Rebecca to death." So the only way the Plaintiffs can state a viable claim against Ms. Shacknai for Wrongful Death is if Plaintiffs' allegations establish that she is potentially vicariously liable based on Plaintiffs' conspiracy allegations.

pg. 6. line 21

Thus the first question is whether Plaintiffs have sufficiently alleged the basis for their belief that Adam killed decedent. Without sufficiently alleging a basis for that belief, Plaintiffs' claim for Wrongful Death against Ms. Shacknai necessarily fails because Ms. Shacknai cannot be liable as a co-conspirator if the basis of the allegation that the person alleged to be directly liable of the underlying tort is legally insufficient.

Here, Plaintiffs allege that the basis of their believe that Adam killed decedent is "the injuries sustained by Rebecca on the amount of strength needed to create such injury. But that information does not in any way logical or rationally connect Adam to decedent's death. This information does not tell us why Adam, as opposed to anyone else, killed decedent. It excludes literaly anyone in the world who has the same or greater strength than Adam as someone who could have killed the decedent. The alleged basis for the belief is a non-sequitur relative to the allegation.

Of course, the reason the purported information does not have any rational relation to the charging allegation is because Plaintiffs admit that in fact, theyt have no facts to allege in support of the assertion that Adam killed decedent. The qualifying allegation that defendants removed all of the evidence has no basis at all and therefore it cannot be accepted as true. Which leaves us with the simple and unavoidable conclusion that Plaintiffs have no evidence - no facts - to base this or another charging allegation or claim against Ms. Shacknai or any other defendant. The law requires that this conclusion be reached because it is a judicial admission of a fact that is conclusively deemed true against the pleader.

pg 8 line 4. The problem with this is that the very allegations that Dina and Nina were involved at all, or were even in the house at all on the morning of decedent's death, amoung other things are themselves allegation-made-on-information-and-belief without a sufficient, rational basis; it's the allegation-made-on-information-and-belief equivalent of double and triple and quadruple hearsay...

V. Conclusion

Ms. Shacknai takes very seriously Plaintiffs' admission that they have no evidence in support of the involvement of any defendant in any alleged murder of decedent. It is a quintessential parapraxis. And it's the reason Plaintiffs have pled their complaint the way they have. Its literally impossible that Plaintiffs have any information to support the allegations they are making. Plaintiffs of course, have the entire investigatory files from the investigating agencies and they therefore are able to pilfer any and all facts from the investigations that they believe implicates Ms. Shacknai and the other defendants. Yet the only charging allegation concerning Ms. Shacknai that is not based on information and belief is that of a witness who thinks he saw her outside the house on the evening before the morning that decedent was found dead. That alone cannot save Plaintifs' complaint. The demurrer should be sustained.

The Zahaus case will be thrown out of court, because they have no evidence...their allegations only exist as true in the minds of their small group of followers. I really think the Zahaus know Rebecca committed suicide...and have known all along - it has all been about $$$$$$$$.

Thank you very much.
you are very diligent and forthcoming.
I also adore and moreover I am impressed by the way how you do have time to keep notes and save links so carefully in today's world when time is so precious.
But, I was asking for facts (proves) and not hearsays.
 

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