Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California

[Jade]

What the dillio? Yes I do believe Rebecca only shoplifted that one time and the charge was DROPPED. Because are you kidding me, if Dina and her posse found any other alleged, supposed, presumed criminality of Rebecca, wouldn't you believe they'd have posted and shouted it from the roof top by now?

Wrong

It was not dropped.

She was arrested, paid a fine and attended a court ordered a shoplifting diversion program.

Linked twice above

I will agree she was only caught and arrested once for shoplifting.

As far as we know.

 

[IQuestion]

Wrong

It was not dropped.

She was arrested, paid a fine and attended a court ordered a shoplifting diversion program.

Linked twice above

I will agree she was only caught and arrested once for shoplifting.

As far as we know.

JADE, (mornin' yawn) Rebecca's charges were probably dropped because:
Prosecution Diversion Programs and Plea Bargaining (specifically in the state of Arizona)

Prosecution diversion programs may be available to certain individuals accused of first-time or low-level crimes in Arizona. Upon completion of a diversion program’s requirements, such as restitution and community service, the criminal charges against the accused will be dropped.
http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...sdemeanor-offense/shoplifting-charges-arizona

Can we please get past the shoplifting issue, now?

 

[Gilgamesh]

I have NOT made a connection to RZ shoplifting and murdering.

I made a connection to dishonesty in response to the post about RZ being “a moral upright person who would not lie”.


Never have I theorized that RZ murdered Maxi!
.


imo[/QUOTE)


Hi Jade,
I appreciate your level headed ness and fairness. I am passionate about this case but your comments are true. Everyone is human and that includes having faults and having missteps in life. This is not a case of saint vs. sinner.
That being said, I do absolutely believe that RZ was murdered. She also had a 'past'. Dina had a 'past'.
Such is life. Everything will be on the table I'm sure, once it goes to trial. After taking the emotion out of the equation, it seems that RZ's past includes theft and DS's past includes violence. Acceptance of facts will be necessary

 

[Jade]

Thank you for your understanding post.

I guess I’m on the fence, well, off and on!

Too involved and time consuming to be a tantrum, imo.

Someone with a much cooler head and no fear of being interrupted, imo, if that is the case.

Someone that RZ wouldn’t fight against. She is much fitter and leaner than N or D. She could take N or D or at least long enough to get away and alert Adam or LE.

To me it seems conceivable that it is a ritualistic message suicide

I don’t see nudity as humiliating especially to someone who is described as physically fit.

What about the other nude suicides on WS did they humiliate themselves? Cruel to think that, imo.

IF it was a suicide then I am so sad for RZ that so many thought it a disgrace as I see it then as a defining gesture of her anguish over Maxi.

Rebecca was being left out of the family shock and mourning. Banished to the vacation home while the child she called her own is lying gravely injured in a hospital. It is a final statement of heartache.

All I know of the tape is that there was residue. I haven’t seen where it was directly tied to the alleged murder.


imo

 

[quesarita]

I don't see how there can even be a question that this was murder and not suicide. The sequence of events would have to be:
1. She goes out and finds a long rope.
2. Takes a shower, remains naked even though Coronado is cool and damp at night. Ignores menstrual blood running down her leg and dripping on the floor - no way.
3. Paints an odd message on the door.
4. Measures the distance of rope from the bed post to the right length to avoid both getting caught on the railing or hitting the ground below, taking into account her own height and the length needed to wrap around her neck several times, and without going out on the balcony to check the distance. Cuts the rope.
5. Ties the noose and the other end to the bed. The rope goes over her hair even though that will pull on her hair and restrict her movements as she does the rest of the bindings.
6. Wraps a T shirt around her face and stuffs the ends of the sleeves into her mouth.
7. Then binds her feet.
8. Then binds her hands in front, removes the binding, puts it back on with her hands behind her. This whole time she has T shirt sleeves in her mouth.
9. Hops out the door and over the balcony.
There was no reconstruction done that shows the entire bizarre sequence that was supposed to have happened, for good reason. IMO

 

[Jade]

JADE, (mornin' yawn) Rebecca's charges were probably dropped because:
Prosecution Diversion Programs and Plea Bargaining (specifically in the state of Arizona)

Prosecution diversion programs may be available to certain individuals accused of first-time or low-level crimes in Arizona. Upon completion of a diversion program’s requirements, such as restitution and community service, the criminal charges against the accused will be dropped.
http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...sdemeanor-offense/shoplifting-charges-arizona

Can we please get past the shoplifting issue, now?

Ok, ok IQuestion!

I see the diversion program as avoiding jail time not for charges to be dropped if they were dropped there would be no fine and she would have had to perform community service or restitution according to your link neither of which we have record of and there would be no arrest record to look up if it was dropped.

Now I’ll drop it [now I’ve had last word, or should I say run on sentence lol!]


imo

 

[Jade]

I don't see how there can even be a question that this was murder and not suicide. The sequence of events would have to be:
1. She goes out and finds a long rope.
2. Takes a shower, remains naked even though Coronado is cool and damp at night. Ignores menstrual blood running down her leg and dripping on the floor - no way.
3. Paints an odd message on the door.
4. Measures the distance of rope from the bed post to the right length to avoid both getting caught on the railing or hitting the ground below, taking into account her own height and the length needed to wrap around her neck several times, and without going out on the balcony to check the distance. Cuts the rope.
5. Ties the noose and the other end to the bed. The rope goes over her hair even though that will pull on her hair and restrict her movements as she does the rest of the bindings.
6. Wraps a T shirt around her face and stuffs the ends of the sleeves into her mouth.
7. Then binds her feet.
8. Then binds her hands in front, removes the binding, puts it back on with her hands behind her. This whole time she has T shirt sleeves in her mouth.
9. Hops out the door and over the balcony.
There was no reconstruction done that shows the entire bizarre sequence that was supposed to have happened, for good reason. IMO

That is a perfectly reasonable explanation of how she did it.

That account has me back on suicide fence.


imo

 

[bourne]

Wrong

It was not dropped.

She was arrested, paid a fine and attended a court ordered a shoplifting diversion program.

Linked twice above

I will agree she was only caught and arrested once for shoplifting.

As far as we know.

Dropped meaning she was NOT convicted. That's what I had been informed. If you have contrary evidence showing conviction, provide link. Thanx

 

[bourne]

I don't see how there can even be a question that this was murder and not suicide. The sequence of events would have to be:
1. She goes out and finds a long rope.
2. Takes a shower, remains naked even though Coronado is cool and damp at night. Ignores menstrual blood running down her leg and dripping on the floor - no way.
3. Paints an odd message on the door.
4. Measures the distance of rope from the bed post to the right length to avoid both getting caught on the railing or hitting the ground below, taking into account her own height and the length needed to wrap around her neck several times, and without going out on the balcony to check the distance. Cuts the rope.
5. Ties the noose and the other end to the bed. The rope goes over her hair even though that will pull on her hair and restrict her movements as she does the rest of the bindings.
6. Wraps a T shirt around her face and stuffs the ends of the sleeves into her mouth.
7. Then binds her feet.
8. Then binds her hands in front, removes the binding, puts it back on with her hands behind her. This whole time she has T shirt sleeves in her mouth.
9. Hops out the door and over the balcony.
There was no reconstruction done that shows the entire bizarre sequence that was supposed to have happened, for good reason. IMO

Yes, you are so right! All these elaborate, detailed actions presumably thought up and performed within 2 hours of receiving Jonah's so-called "suicide trigger" voicemail looks and sounds entirely ludicrous. Especially since Rebecca was said by friends and family and colleague that she was a "peaceful" person -- levelheaded and emotionally stable, unlike Dina with her hot temper, drunken ways, and violent lashing outs at other people documented in police reports.

 

[bourne]

Thank you for your understanding post.

I guess I’m on the fence, well, off and on!

Too involved and time consuming to be a tantrum, imo.

Someone with a much cooler head and no fear of being interrupted, imo, if that is the case.

Someone that RZ wouldn’t fight against. She is much fitter and leaner than N or D. She could take N or D or at least long enough to get away and alert Adam or LE.

To me it seems conceivable that it is a ritualistic message suicide

I don’t see nudity as humiliating especially to someone who is described as physically fit.

What about the other nude suicides on WS did they humiliate themselves? Cruel to think that, imo.

IF it was a suicide then I am so sad for RZ that so many thought it a disgrace as I see it then as a defining gesture of her anguish over Maxi.

Rebecca was being left out of the family shock and mourning. Banished to the vacation home while the child she called her own is lying gravely injured in a hospital. It is a final statement of heartache.

All I know of the tape is that there was residue. I haven’t seen where it was directly tied to the alleged murder.


imo

Based on police reports and talks around town, Dina was a jealous, violent, asssaultive alcoholic who lacked self-control and who hated Rebecca with an intense passion. Hmm, then we find Rebecca being blamed for Max's accident off an indoor balcony. Nina, Dina's twin, admitted to trying to accost Rebecca at the Spreckels mansion at 10 or 11pm (depending on whose phone record we use) after Nina could not get Rebecca on the phone.

Dina is physically seen carrying a huge black bag acting "bizarrely" at the Spreckels mansion front and back entryways by impartial family of witnesses.

Adam admitted to viewing on his iPhone right before he reported finding Rebecca hanging off very visible, outdoor balcony.

Suddenly Rebecca was found nude, hands and feet bound, with a t-shirt gag and noose tied with an unusual tugboat hitch not many laypeople such as Rebecca would be familiar with around her neck, with 4 concussive blows to her head, and either hanging or her larynx crushed manually by strangulation...

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[bourne]

I have NOT made a connection to RZ shoplifting and murdering.

I made a connection to dishonesty in response to the post about RZ being &#8220;a moral upright person who would not lie&#8221;.


Never have I theorized that RZ murdered Maxi!
.


imo[/QUOTE)


Hi Jade,
I appreciate your level headed ness and fairness. I am passionate about this case but your comments are true. Everyone is human and that includes having faults and having missteps in life. This is not a case of saint vs. sinner.
That being said, I do absolutely believe that RZ was murdered. She also had a 'past'. Dina had a 'past'.
Such is life. Everything will be on the table I'm sure, once it goes to trial. After taking the emotion out of the equation, it seems that RZ's past includes theft and DS's past includes violence. Acceptance of facts will be necessary

Wow, we must be reading separate accounts.

We're not arguing about a person's past, but SPECIFIC VIOLENT PATTERNS of BEHAVIORS in a person's past vs a one-time shoplifting charge. It's the type of patterns of behaviors of a person's past that matter, not an isolated event from a single transgression or misjudgment.

 

[Jade]

Dropped meaning she was NOT convicted. That's what I had been informed. If you have contrary evidence showing conviction, provide link. Thanx

I have provided the MSM link and quotes two times already

Again:

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/07/rebecca-nalepa-mug-shot-san-diego-bizarre-hanging-death/.

Nalepa pled guilty to a misdemeanor and paid a $500 fine

Provide your MSM link that says otherwise.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Wow, we must be reading separate accounts.

We're not arguing about a person's past, but SPECIFIC VIOLENT PATTERNS of BEHAVIORS in a person's past vs a one-time shoplifting charge. It's the type of patterns of behaviors of a person's past that matter, not an isolated event from a single transgression or misjudgment.

I am saying that this is not a case of saint vs. sinner. At the same tine, I agree with you about the type of past behaviors being indicative of future behaviors.

 

[Frigga]

^... And apparently getting rid of the clothes she had worn that day!

 

[Gilgamesh]

^... And apparently getting rid of the clothes she had worn that day!

And the duct tape used to bind her legs to the chair

 

[bourne]

Based on police reports and talks around town, Dina was a jealous, violent, asssaultive alcoholic who lacked self-control and who hated Rebecca with an intense passion. Hmm, then we find Rebecca being blamed for Max's accident off an indoor balcony. Nina, Dina's twin, admitted to trying to accost Rebecca at the Spreckels mansion at 10 or 11pm (depending on whose phone record we use) after Nina could not get Rebecca on the phone.

Dina is physically seen carrying a huge black bag acting "bizarrely" at the Spreckels mansion front and back entryways by impartial family of witnesses.

Adam admitted to viewing on his iPhone right before he reported finding Rebecca hanging off very visible, outdoor balcony.

Suddenly Rebecca was found nude, hands and feet bound, with a t-shirt gag and noose tied with an unusual tugboat hitch not many laypeople such as Rebecca would be familiar with around her neck, with 4 concussive blows to her head, and either hanging or her larynx crushed manually by strangulation...

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In summary, IN MY OPINION, the only thing that makes logical sense given the totality of evidence is that Rebecca was MURDERED by one, two or all three POIs named in the wrongful death suit.

 

[bourne]

I have provided the MSM link and quotes two times already

Again:

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/07/rebecca-nalepa-mug-shot-san-diego-bizarre-hanging-death/.




Provide your MSM link that says otherwise.

The MSM you provided only talks about Rebecca being charged with shoplifting once. Where is the link that says she was CONVICTED? If you cannot provide link, fine. Just say that.

Why would I need to prove a NEGATIVE? It's like my asking you to prove to me there is no god. How would you go about doing that?!

 

[bourne]

I am saying that this is not a case of saint vs. sinner. At the same tine, I agree with you about the type of past behaviors being indicative of future behaviors.

I actually think this IS a case of saint vs. sinner. Saint only engages in bad nonviolent behavior once. Sinner perpetuates same immoral, heinous, vile, violent behaviors over and over and over again... and will likely do it in the future if s/he is not locked up with key thrown away.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Dropped meaning she was NOT convicted. That's what I had been informed. If you have contrary evidence showing conviction, provide link. Thanx

Rebecca plead GUILTY. That means she was convicted. Jade has already provided the link.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Yes, you are so right! All these elaborate, detailed actions presumably thought up and performed within 2 hours of receiving Jonah's so-called "suicide trigger" voicemail looks and sounds entirely ludicrous. Especially since Rebecca was said by friends and family and colleague that she was a "peaceful" person -- levelheaded and emotionally stable, unlike Dina with her hot temper, drunken ways, and violent lashing outs at other people documented in police reports.

All you need to do is read ann Rule's novella which includes excepts from Rebecca's diary to see that she was not emotionally stable.

Can you provide a link for Dina's "drunken ways? TIA