This is all we know about the 911 call made when Max fell, this and that Mary Zahau said on the last Dr. Phil show that Rebecca called her AFTER the accident and BEFORE she called Jonah.
Mary said Rebecca said, "She was having a bad day, and might not be able to talk to her much, and that she now needed to call Jonah"
Also, note that Dina Shacknai never received a copy of the 911 call.
From the 11/07/11 audio interview of Max Shacknai's aunt, Nina Shacknai, with David Gotfredson of San Diego's CBS8.
Gotfredson: What do you know about this voice mail that Jonah left for Rebecca, that supposedly was the trigger that set her off or made her commit suicide?
I honestly don’t know anything about that, um, you know Jonah didn’t speak to me about his feelings with Rebecca. Um, So, I have no information on that, I don’t know. You know, I can only image, and this is my personal opinion, I believe, that she knew more, than what she told Jonah, and, that, that is why, she did what she did, because she knew that she didn’t give him CPR in 2 minutes.
And you know I don’t want to get into this mud slinging contest, you know I think its terrible, I think, its disgusting, but I think that is why, I think she did what she did. Because she had to know that the relationship that she had was never going to be same. You know, how do you be in a relationship with somebody…you’re not married to them, that’s not your child. You know, how could you be in that relationship, how could that relationship ever be the same again? So you know, I think she knew more than she was admitting to?
Gotfredson: Are you saying she felt guilty because she didn’t do the CPR or are you saying that she was responsible for his death and tried to cover it up by throwing him down the stairs or something like that?
I can’t speculate what her, mind set was, obviously I can’t speculate on that, I’m just, I don’t, in my opinion, I don‘t think she did CPR. I don’t believe she did. You know based on, the ambulance report . It said no CPR was performed. I don’t believe she did it. Um, the type of brain injury that he had? The doctors said, “There’s no way that CPR was done in 2 minutes. It’s not possible.”
Gotfredson: And where did the 2 minutes originally come from. Backup a few minutes and tell me where you heard that.
My sister told me that Jonah had told her that Rebecca told him, that she found Max and was doing CPR within 2 minutes of him falling down the stairs.
Gotfredson: And I’m guessing that Dina now has the reports related to her son, and the 911 call related to the death her son?
They haven’t given us the 911 call. I’ve heard it.
Gotfredson: Was there an y indication from the 911 call that XZ a made related to Max that they were doing CPR or that they were giving instructions to Rebecca to do CPR? Walk me through what you heard on that 911 call.
The 911 call was very strange, it ,uh, it was uh XZ calling, and…it, it was really strange, it was a really, really strange phone call, because first they ask, like, “911 what’s your emergency?” and she said that, that, “max had fallen down the stairs”, and the 911 operator, uh, initially they weren’t getting a clear picture, because first she said “he was breathing”, then she said he wasn’t breathing , then their asking the address and Rebecca was in the background saying, “1040 Ocean, 1040 Ocean”. The address is 1043, so…they got the address wrong, and then… throughout a lot of the phone call, Xena wasn’t talking. it was really strange, the operator was saying, "Hello are you there? Hello?", and XZ would say, “ …Yes”, and then she’s saying, um, you know, uh, “Is he breathing? ”Yes.” “Ok, so he is breathing?, “Yes”, “Ok are you sure?” …,“No”. It was BIZARRE.. And there were these long pauses in between her answers.
And then, when it gets to the point where he’s NOT breathing, you can hear Rebecca in the background, and, she’s, sounding, you know, uh kinda frantic? And, then, all of a sudden, you hear, like XZ stop talking, just literally STOP talking.
And the 911 operator’s saying, “Hello?, Hello?”, and you hear Rebecca say, “Are you still on the phone?” And you hear XZ say, “Yes”.
And then you can hear the dog barking,…about ¾ of the way through the phone call you hear the dog barking. All of a sudden.
Gotfredson: Because the ambulance is arriving?
I don’t know… it was bizarre. It was almost as if the dog just walked in.
Gotfredson: Did you hear any instruction at all in terms of CPR, or, or anything like that?
Um, no, no, there was no like, “Do this and check compressions and 1, 2, 3”. No, there was none of that, not anything like that, so I don’t think she did CPR, that’s my opinion. I don’t believe she did.
My guts says…even the ambulance report says no CPR was done prior to their arrival. So you know? The ambulance was the first on the scene, from my understanding. Ambulance and Fire? She would have had to tell them. And I believe they said that when they came in, that Maxie was also on his stomach. So how do you give CPR if someone’s on their stomach?
Gotfredson: Why do you think she didn’t give him CPR?
I don’t know. Great question. I don’t know. I mean, that’s my thinking. I mean, I don’t know, who knows? Maybe she was in the backyard, maybe she was distracted, maybe she came in and found him and had no idea how long he’d been lying there. I have NO idea.
I do think that she knew more than what she was telling. That’s the feeling, that she wasn’t being very forthcoming, and I felt like, she knew more. And, because of that, she took her secrets with her. That’s what I feel like.
