Resolved WV - Harpers Ferry, Appal'n Trl, UnkSexAgeRace, UP75513, male clothes, Saint Mary nklce, Apr'20 - NamUs removed

[carbuff]

I still don't see where it says centimeters.

 

[CCJD]

I still don't see where it says centimeters.

This is a standard ruler you can get most anywhere - DG, $Tree, etc.
If you look at the top (mm) there's a long line, 4 short, another long, 4 short, etc
On the bottom is inches: long line, 3 short, another long, 3 short, etc.

The pic above shows the Crucifix next to the ruler: long line, 4 short, etc. Centimeters.

 

[carbuff]

This is a standard ruler you can get most anywhere - DG, $Tree, etc.
If you look at the top (mm) there's a long line, 4 short, another long, 4 short, etc
On the bottom is inches: long line, 3 short, another long, 3 short, etc.

The pic above shows the Crucifix next to the ruler: long line, 4 short, etc. Centimeters.

Yeah I know what the markings are and I'm familiar with that kind of ruler. I just don't see it in the pictures and I don't see anything to say whether it's cm or inches marked off in tenths. I must be looking in the wrong spot.

 

[Jmoose]

Montgomery Ward has been out of business since 2001. Also, I don't know all that much about sneaker/shoe culture, but weren't Pumas more popular in the 80s and 90s? Maybe these remains are from that era?

My nephew was working for the CEO of Puma up until maybe less than 10 years ago; people still wear Puma shoes (that my nephew’s wife designed)

 

[madamx]

Anyone have any idea who this may be?

Here is a link to the article

Does this look like the same jacket? in this link it’s labeled as a Levi’s 70s jacket


Police investigating human remains found off of the Appalachian Trail in West Virginia

70s Rust Brown Ski Jacket Levis CORDUROY Puffy Coat Winter 70s Color Block 1970s Vintage ... from Shop Exile of Los Angeles, CA | ATTIC

for some reason I was trying to upload the image of the coat just so we have it on the thread but I was having trouble. Don’t know if someone can do it.

 

[Bit of hope]

Does this look like the same jacket? in this link it’s labeled as a Levi’s 70s jacket


Police investigating human remains found off of the Appalachian Trail in West Virginia

70s Rust Brown Ski Jacket Levis CORDUROY Puffy Coat Winter 70s Color Block 1970s Vintage ... from Shop Exile of Los Angeles, CA | ATTIC

for some reason I was trying to upload the image of the coat just so we have it on the thread but I was having trouble. Don’t know if someone can do it.

 

[snowgoose]

Wow, that's super similar but the vintage Levi's jacket has no stitching detail on the red part of the fabric, no snaps, and the pocket zips are tan instead of red. Great find though.

Fashion brands do copy each other a lot - maybe both jackets are knockoffs of some other jacket that was trendy at the time.

 

[C.smith1988]

I believe they were catholic monks, but I'll ask my mom for confirmation. They always walk around the downtown area of Charles Town in brown robes with crucifix necklaces.

Priest Field is a ministry of St. James Catholic Church in Charles Town, WV.

Home - Priest Field Pastoral Center

 

[C.smith1988]

Any updates on this case?

 

[annpats]

I don't see anything to say whether it's cm or inches marked off in tenths.

Centimeters are always measures off in tenths.
But inches aren't usually marked off in tenths, are they? It's usually eighths, twelfths or sixteenths for imperial measurements.

 

[carbuff]

Well, inches aren't usually marked off in tenths, are they?
I know centimeters are.

They can be.

Though I suppose I will yield to the majority and agree it's probably centimeters, which makes the cross a lot smaller than I thought it was.

 

[annpats]

They can be.

I thought inches were divided into sixteenths? Or eighths?

Always best to mark a measuring scale though, so you know what you're dealing with.

Anyway, yes, it's a small discreet cross.

 

[carbuff]

I thought inches were divided into sixteenths? Or eighths?

Always best to mark a measuring scale though, so you know what you're dealing with.

Anyway, yes, it's a small discreet cross.

I guess it's more common to divide into quarters/eighths etc. but it's not required.

 

[mtlupy]

Any updates?

 

[mtlupy]

My theory and I’m coming from a fashion-trend perspective...

this a Catholic adult male, not a teenager - who has been missing since 1979-1980, based upon clothes and evidence found.
The ski jacket, Pumas and “striped sock” (that I know as tube socks) were pretty much the standard clothes that a young guy of that specific time wore to school, for example.

The Montgomery Ward dress shirt and Miraculous Medal are telling and skews older. I think this is an older male who borrowed or had access to a teen’s wardrobe. It’s as if the jacket and shoes were newer and “in” but the dress shirt wasn’t.

No mention of pants. I imagine that denim jeans would have remained (?) but a lighter cotton (what we’d now call khakis) might not have? A man who’d wear an 10 year old Montgomery Ward “dress shirt” would likely have paired it with similarly-aged cotton pants. The Miraculous Medal is/was an older Catholic thing...again not common for a teen to wear in the late 70s...someone who was a teen in the 1950s? Yes.

Shoes are a size 10. Can’t find a picture of the Pumas but I recall theses were described as high tops. Quick research shows Puma high tops weren’t super common and were introduced in the late 70s. Probably expensive? Someone who wore a MW shirt wasn’t buying himself new trendy Pumas high tops.

Another site shows a very similar jacket for sale (just different colors) on EBay and the tag shows Chess King brand.

As someone who spent 13 years in Catholic school, I think this is probably a very close analysis.

 

[iulia]

The NamUs page for this UID is down.

 

[branmuffin]

It would be pretty unusual for a US law enforcement department to be using centimeters.

If the scale is marked in tenths of an inch, the crucifix would be around 4" tall, as they said.

I think Americans use the metric system more than they realize. Most medications are issued in the metric system, ammunition is issued in the metric system, weapons, too, mapmaking, etc. When reading autopsy reports I've seen the measurements go back and forth between metric and the Imperial measurement.

Here's an autopsy report where the measurements go back and forth between metric and Imperial: organ weights, grams, fluids such as urine in mm's, but wound marks in inches.

https://webapps.cap.org/apps/docs/pathology_reporting/AutopsyLexicon.pdf

 

[branmuffin]

Have we heard anything about this JD being removed from Namus?

 

[ifindedout]

Though I don't think the jacket is Levi's, speaking as a bonafide child of the 70s, it looks to me like it's from the mid-to-late 1970s, early 80s at the latest. MOO

 

[Caren E]

I just happened to come across websleuth. Agnes Shoe , also known as Ginger Coady was my cousin. She disappeared from her home in June 1979 without a trace. The NY State BCI was on her case for decades. Her sister, Rita, my cousin and my Aunt passed away broken hearted. I would like to know about this clothing found. She was last seen wearing a jersey, jeans, sneakers. Also her car, keys, medications, were all left home. Strange thing is that she was gone a few days before her husband came back to the house, he was in NJ, dog was still being fed ( did he ever go to NJ ?) He did not allow access to the home when family showed up looking for her. He eventually did when the police arrived. My suspicion was always her spouse did it, Richard Shoe who took up with his secretary. Any help would be appreciated. Her immediate family are gone, but the rest isn't.

Found her. I’m still not seeing the clothing and shoes lining up with her but I could see her having a large crucifix

Agnes C. Shoe – The Charley Project