Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #11

[mcluver23]

This case is something. Am I understanding correctly? He was scared of being abandoned so he took the van and abandoned his fiancé. Then he goes on a hike and his parents find his car and abandon him?

 

[ninvestigate]

I know, I tried to find out where that came from and after staying up until the wee hours, gave up. I couldn't find the original source for that info.

Me neither. I'm hoping that the police know so, so much more than what we do.

 

[Herat]

It's been verified. Gabby Petito: Police spoke to woman who claimed to see Laundrie days after Gabby last seen

I don't read that LE has confirmed it was him or that the report by Miranda Baker is true.

The article confirms LE talked to Miranda Baker about the video. They said they were reviewing it and potentially using some of the information she reported.

It ONLY confirms LE talked to Miranda Baker.

 

[Hope4More]

Great find - consistent with some other things we know. I just can't figure out how BL got from there to FL in 2 days - although...if it's true that he sometimes had trouble sleeping/went without sleep, he could have driven straight through. If Gabby had disappeared (by any means), his mental state would not be normal.

I've done multiple cross country driving trips by myself, and multiple regional driving trips out west (multiple states, average over 2,000 plus miles round trip). It is REALLY difficult to imagine how he could have driven from Utah in Florida in 2 days, even going full out without stopping for anything other than to pee.

 

[NuttMegg]

I also think once they're able to grab BL, that he'll talk. We saw in the police cam video that he *never stopped talking*, GP was the one who mostly stayed quiet unless questioned and poked. The only reason he hasn't talked up to this point is his parents and lawyers have kept the police and media away. I bet if you throw him in front of an officer he'll keep talking and won't stop. Will everything be true ? probably not. We'll only hear his point of view. But I bet they'll be able to pick up clues, hints, and half truths.

Maybe they will convince him he's a "truth teller" (which is what FBI said to Watts to get him talking. He was so stupid he thought that was a compliment.)

 

[Alethea]

My family is demanding dinner so hopefully when I get back we'll have a Brian in custody and the FBI narrowing down the search for Gabby. Do not @ me with BuT iTs NoT a CRiMe

 

[Beren]

what if neither by definition abusive and they just a young couple that had some arguments?

That's true. MOO but I think a lot of people have fights like these in unstable melodramatic relationships when they're young.
That said, I think there is a difference between being abusive and domestic violence.

I don't know what legal requirement there has to be to be charged with DV - maybe it needs to be evidence based, like an actual crime has to be committed like battery (for example slapping and scratching which is why as far as the police were concerned in that ONE incident, she was the assailant). I don't know if there ever was any evidence of BL committing DV on BL. Doesn't sound like it.

But I think one can be abusive without breaking any laws. I think calling someone stupid once isn't abusive, but if someone called you stupid every other day it might be considered abusive (just an example, not saying BL did) without it ever being considered DV. I think abuse depends on how it affects a person. If she is crying hysterically over something you did, and it's not the first time, but there's a pattern of not understanding, not respecting it, not being compassionate to the distress you caused, and moreover, you push to exert your control further regardless? I think it can be considered abusive. And the reason why this is interesting to the case is because it helps us wonder about the dynamics of the relationship between them when the cameras were off.

AND just because one was being abusive, doesn't preclude the other from also having been abusive either. I don't think it's like there's one side that is always the bad guy, and the other always the victim, in dysfunctional relationships. But if one comes back and the other doesn't, little thing start to maybe mean more.

 

[heed101]

I'm new here and created an account so I can share my thoughts on Brian. Both he and Gabby seem like genuinely kind and good people. I'm especially focused on Brian right now because I feel very attuned to his energy and how he lives his life.

Brian seems gentle and grounded. He loves camping, painting and reading. He was sad to leave the plants at his parents' homes and told them they're his best friends. He was happy to bring some small succulents with them in their van. He does yoga and is handy with tools. He did considerable work preparing the van for their travels.

The comments about him here and especially on social media are disheartening. I've read everything you've read and understand things aren't looking good for Brian, but my heart is breaking for both of them.

Brian left his parents' home for one of two reason: It was made known to them the police were going to obtain a search or an arrest warrant, based on evidence that hasn't been disclosed to the public yet; or Brian was needing the comfort of what he loves the most: the trees and plants, fresh air and open space. To see all of those law enforcement officers pursing him in a search is terrifying. It just seems so contrary to who he is and how he thinks and sees the world around him.

The couple that picked up Brian when he was hitching a ride presumably back to Gabby and the van, didn't mention bruises or bloodied knuckles. That's because there wasn't anything to note about his physical appearance, other than his clothing. She did say it was odd how clean he was, but I've done extensive backpacking and never looked muddy. My gear was always clean and tidy, and I didn't smell. Also, Brian loves going barefoot, and he loves minimalism. As an experienced camper, it makes sense to me that he'd only bring a tarp and nothing hefty for a few days of camping along a river. This isn't at all a concern for me.

As for his confusion about the direction they were heading, he's not from that area. I think he got north and south mixed up and didn't realize Jackson Hole was in the wrong direction. He was experiencing some stress from whatever it was that happened that had him doing a solo trip away from Gabby for a few days. They were still telling people they're engaged, and the police introduced the idea of spending some time apart, and that's what he was doing. It's possible there's nothing of interest with any of this sighting other than the date for the sake of the timeline and his location.

The police camera footage did not leave me feeling as if Brian was cocky, as so many people have said. His body language was reflective of his personality. He's quiet and gentle in his mannerisms, shy and uncomfortable around people. He was shaking and scared. Gabby was experiencing a full breakdown from her anxiety. I suffer from anxiety and that's exactly how it can be. She was asked what she does for a living, and she said she's a nutritionist. She hesitated, probably because she was looking for something to describe her lifestyle and goals. I doubt she's a certified nutritionist. Her friend Rose said Gabby was working at Taco Bell last year and then a smoothie place. Taco Bell really surprised me. It's completely at odds with what she portrays on her social media accounts and in the video.

All this tells me is that Gabby is young and finding herself. It's not that she was being dishonest; it's more that 'nutritionist' is what made the most sense to her. It characterized maybe her goals and also her lifestyle. She also said they don't drink, but she met Rose at a bar once. I tend to say I don't drink, but a few times a year I'll buy a bottle of wine. So I don't feel she was being dishonest with this either. It's again more of a response that speaks to the overall picture of who she feels she is and how they're living their lives.

Brian has been described as controlling. I have a lot to say about that and feel I'm understanding him and what motivates the decisions he makes. But for now I'd just like to bring some compassion and concern to this young man, who I think is frequently misunderstood. Regardless of the outcome of this case, I am genuinely heartbroken for both Gabby and Brian. He just doesn't resonate with me as someone who harmed Gabby. Please note that I didn't say or imply he's incapable of harming her. I think we are all capable of doing something sudden and unexpected.

But what I'm sensing here is something very dark that is turning against Brian and strengthening. I think his silence was his only hope of protection, and his legal right, and it seems it's all beginning to fall apart. I am praying for Gabby's safe return, and I'm also praying for Brian. Thank you for reading this.

This was very insightful. What do you think happened?

 

[agilbe]

No offense to anyone here...I want to know what happened to him..but I'm tired of him for today so I'm going to run errands for a while.
Any bets on how many new pages post before I get back in an hour?

ALOT that's what happened to me when I went grocery shopping!!

 

[builder]

I am going to try to clear a few things up with regard to the area north of Jackson.
1- the snake river runs thru Grand Teton NP and one of the places it is found is near Jackson Dam where BL was dropped off according to the tik-tok video. He told her they were camping near the Snake River.
2-Just because BL was not attacked by a bear means nothing, the whole area is full of bears and they are hungry due to lack of food this year; also forget finding berries to eat as the bears would have eaten most of those that were around.
3-Grand Teton is 310,000 acres, she could be anywhere although I think she was near where he was either picked up or dropped off.
I am uploading a map of GTNP some one made the other day. If you enlarge it and search you will find Colter Bay, Jackson Dam and to the upper right of that a little squiggly blue line that is the Snake river. Hope this helps.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't read that LE has confirmed it was him or that the report by Miranda Baker is true.

The article confirms LE talked to Miranda Baker about the video. They said they were reviewing it and potentially using some of the information she reported.

It ONLY confirms LE talked to Miranda Baker.

You're right, it's unconfirmed.

Personally, I completely believed her when I heard about it yesterday, and the fact that law enforcement appears to be taking her seriously, tells me that they believe her too.

Now it's a matter of if in fact it was him. I believe it was.

 

[StainlessSteal]

I have my doubts that BL is actually in Carlton Reserve and I think this was a diversionary tactic that his parents assisted and coordinated with him so LE can focus a huge amount of focus and effort on CR this weekend into next week while BL escapes to somewhere else.

Here are 3 possible outcomes during the next few days:

1) The "we think BL went to CR" red herring tip that BL's parents gave to LE yesterday was all a preplanned lie by BL and his parents. And it is a relatively safe deception by BL's parents that they can avoid all LE prosecution of being an accessory/accomplice to aiding his flight. While this big LE effort goes on at CR, BL manages to escape to somewhere else.

2) BL is caught alive inside CR.

3) LE finds BL dead inside CR due to suicide, or he got attacked by gators, etc.

#2 would be the best outcome. #3 would not be good since it greatly reduces the chance of finding Gabby if BL really did harm her and hid her well.

If BL actually drove off hot-headed and left GP alive by herself somewhere deep inside the Grand Teton National Park area, I would think that LE has already been using helicopters/drones with infrared cameras during this past week across the Jackson Hole and Grand Teton area. Lots of adults and children lost in wilderness areas are found this way every year. If GP had an accident or fell off a cliff, any loving partner would try to quickly find help. But if GP was pushed off a cliff, hit her head on a rock, or harmed during another argument, that would explain BL's actions up to now.

For scenario #1 - BL was never inside Carlton Reserve and is still on the run elsewhere - I am guessing that he will still be caught within the next one or two weeks. If BL left GP out in the wilderness alive, then time is a very critical factor for finding BL. But GP is already deceased, then finding BL is still important for determining cause of death and getting closure.

Qinxuan Pan shot dead Kevin Jiang in February of this year, also quickly becoming a POI, but Pan eluded LE for almost 4 months, finally being caught in Alabama after going from New Haven, CT, where the crime occurred, to Georgia before he was caught in an Alabama hotel using a fake name, fake ID cards, $19,000 in cash, 7 cell phones and 7 SIM cards (which let Pan make calls without leaving much of a cell phone trail), and his father's passport. So far, LE has not charged Pan's parents with assisting in their son's escape even though they refused to say anything to LE while LE was searching for Pan. Part of the reason why Pan is now jailed under $20 million bond is because his parents are rich with millions of dollars, own multiple properties in both the U.S. and China, and they are from Shanghai, so Pan could easily escape to China where the U.S. does not have any LE influence.

BL does not have survivalist skills, so if he really did flee into Carlton Reserve (which I doubt) or any wilderness area, I think he would last less than one week before he either has to kill himself or return to a city for food. Compared to the Qinxuan Pan case, this BL/GP case has been MUCH more publicized on a national level, even though the FBI got involved in both cases. So the combination of much greater publicity and likelihood of BL being identified in public, his lack of survival skills, and (presumably, unlike Pan) BL is not carrying thousands of dollars in cash, I do think LE will find BL within 1 or 2 weeks. Pan had fake IDs, multiple cell phone and SIM cards, and almost $20,000 cash to help him elude LE for almost 4 months. BL would need cash assistance from someone (and LE is likely monitoring his parents now) and/or assistance from a good friend in order to hide for an extended period of time.

 

[Caring4Many]

Yes, recently saw that there's an old story where a person with the same name as this TikTok-er (and appearance, IMO) "went viral" after some sort of event in a bar when she reported she was called "fat" or "disgusting." Anyway, I don't know all the details, but I'd suggest anyone questioning the veracity of the TikTok-er Google her name to find out about this prior "going viral" incident and make their own judgement calls. IMO MOO!

Ok so here’s a question-how do we know he returned on 9/1? We aren’t just going off the BL families words, are we? What if they are using that timeline so that it’s “impossible” he was in WY/ID etc to be able to do xyz and be back in FL by 9/1. Yes I know at this point it seems they’ve put us in a position to be grasping for straws.

 

[skyedaze]

I think it was ridiculous the Utah police spent a whole hour with them for something so trivial as a couple being witnessed having an argument.

Maybe the police in Utah don't have enough to do, but in many other places, the police wouldn't even bother witht such a minor thing.

A witness reported a couple arguing and fighting? Small fry.

And even when the police pulled the van over, HE was speeding and hitting a kerb, yet nothing was done about that. Not even mentioned by the police, who then spent a whole hour being social workers.

Just a quick 2 minute check would've been enough, then sent them on their way.

He grabbed her face...that is a major red flag especially out there with out of state plates. That is not an argument...arguments are verbal.
Bless the person who reported it because she is probably gone forever now. At least they saw something and tried to do something for her.

 

[Hyway]

She wasn't taken to jail, because she wasn't arrested. She spent the night in the van, unless I've misunderstood this whole situation.

The chain of posts you are replying to are all about what would have happened if she was arrested, starting with a post that she would probably be alive now if she was arrested. My post was about the discussion of what he could do if she was arrested. The idea was that she was going to jail and they were telling him how to waive the no contact order the next morning and pick her from the jail.

Obviously, when they dropped all that he or she could pick up the other at any time and go on about their business at any time without asking anyone. But that wasn't the conversation chain we were having. IMO, I doubt she even stayed in the van that night. I would bet money that she joined him in the free hotel for hot showers, flush toilets and free wifi.

 

[ninvestigate]

I know, I tried to find out where that came from and after staying up until the wee hours, gave up. I couldn't find the original source for that info.

Me neither. I'm hoping that the police know so, so much more than what we do.

making tarp shelters is another of the youtube community trends

Yeah, but they had a tent, so why go through the trouble of building a tarp shelter? Unless, of course, GP had the tent. Or the tent was unavailable for some reason. But I'd like to note that in my experience building tarp shelters, you need a ton of rope (or paracord, whatever your preference).

BL hitchhiking with a tarp and a ton of rope... I mean, if this was any other dude last seen with a missing girl, hitchhiking with the same tools, you'd take pause, right?

 

[MassGuy]

There are currently false reports of a body being located where we are searching. Completely fake.

https://twitter.com/northportpolice/status/1439334584475336704?s=21

 

[Cedar Sherwood]

I wouldn't get too hung up on the $200 Brian offered the couple when he was hitching a ride. He probably suffers from social anxiety and was tired and experiencing stress. And it's possible there was some confusion in how they were all interacting with each other.

 

[Coquette]

I think it was ridiculous the Utah police spent a whole hour with them for something so trivial as a couple being witnessed having an argument.

Maybe the police in Utah don't have enough to do, but in many other places, the police wouldn't even bother witht such a minor thing.

A witness reported a couple arguing and fighting? Small fry.

And even when the police pulled the van over, HE was speeding and hitting a kerb, yet nothing was done about that. Not even mentioned by the police, who then spent a whole hour being social workers.

Just a quick 2 minute check would've been enough, then sent them on their way.

Respectfully, this is how lives are saved in DV situations. They received a call about a couple arguing and a witness said they saw it become physical. It is LE's job to take those calls seriously. They then saw signs of a physical altercation on BL. IMO, they did their due diligence. I hope all officers across this country take these cases far more seriously.

 

[Waddles]

There are currently false reports of a body being located where we are searching. Completely fake.
https://twitter.com/northportpolice/status/1439334584475336704?s=21
https://twitter.com/northportpolice/status/1439334584475336704?s=21

Thanks!