Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #11

[rosesfromangels]

I believe the story. I just am not sure if he ever used his own name, or ever just Brian, or if Miranda recognized him later, not sure if he mentioned "Gabby", details like this that Miranda repeated without specifying who said what. Probably the $200, which she does not claim to ever seeing was more of a jest, "Hey take me to Jackson I'll pay ya 200 bucks!" This would fit in with his chatty manic monologue of exaggerations and lies as per the body cam.

What else could have been in Jackson Hole that he didn't want to see, or did he just realize he was passing his own van or a specific trail he needed to return on. Or the Idaho connection.

So I believe her, just maybe we didn't get the whole dialogue word for word that the cops would have heard.

I believe the tik-tokker as well. She displayed what seemed to be genuine anxiety relaying her experience.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Ok so here’s a question-how do we know he returned on 9/1? We aren’t just going off the BL families words, are we? What if they are using that timeline so that it’s “impossible” he was in WY/ID etc to be able to do xyz and be back in FL by 9/1. Yes I know at this point it seems they’ve put us in a position to be grasping for straws.

Agree. I'm not sure where that 9/1 date came from

In a news release Wednesday, the North Port Police Department said Brian Laundrie returned home to Florida September 1, ten days before Petito was reported missing by her family.

Boyfriend returned home 10 days before Gabby Petito was reported missing, police say

 

[NuttMegg]

Brian Entin said there have been reporters there around the clock, but he wasn’t there when the mustang showed up.

Sounds like Brian et al may have gone on his "day" hike at "night".

 

[cuffem]

Knowing what we know now, I take that as a sign of desperation. He needed that ride really bad, and he was trying to guarantee that he got one.

Whatever his plan was, I think he thought he could hike a distance to cover his tracks but soon realized he could not and needed a ride. just a thought.

 

[Mom24]

That was my question. The observation I had was that the parents claimed to have (1)seen him last with a backpack that indicated an intensive backpack trip (2) they confirmed that they saw him at the nature preserve on Tuesday, saw the car there on Tuesday, (3) they removed the car on Tuesday. The assumption is that they went back after the car. Could they have dropped him off--knowing he was going to backpack, knowing where he was going? And by Friday they knew something hadnt gone as planned?

It makes no sense to take the car if he were still in the park. How did they think he was going to get home? I think he called them and told them to pick up the car. An abandoned car would have alerted authorities, so they had to pick it up.

 

[MassGuy]

Whatever his plan was, I think he thought he could hike a distance to cover his tracks but soon realized he could not and needed a ride. just a thought.

There are just so many possibilities there. That's a very real one.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Many of us have seen the report, it's posted online.

And?

 

[x_files]

I think he actually may have grabbed her throat. It looked like she was putting her hands around her jaw when she showed the officer, and she had marks on her neck. IMO

This is a HUGE Red Flag of a controlling abuser. If he wanted to get away from her pushing would make more sense not pulling her face closer to his or even worse her throat.

 

[redfishingirl]

I know, I tried to find out where that came from and after staying up until the wee hours, gave up. I couldn't find the original source for that info.

North Port PD Press Release/twitter
https://twitter.com/NorthPortPolice...lice2Fstatus2F1438164409503735810widget=Tweet

 

[Deleted member 121463]

In a news release Wednesday, the North Port Police Department said Brian Laundrie returned home to Florida September 1, ten days before Petito was reported missing by her family.

Boyfriend returned home 10 days before Gabby Petito was reported missing, police say

But the NorthPort police also said, implied, that they had laid eyes on him and knew he was home in the house when that wasn't accurate. So, they say the 1st, but, how do they KNOW that if they have not seen him? imo

 

[feralwriter]

Anyone know if Miranda Baker has been vetted yet as a credible source for her claim she picked B up, & he offered to shell out $200 for 10 miles?

If true, if he did offer that fat wad of cash to go 10 miles... that smacks of a person whose judgement is completely out of control. In my experience as a hitchhiker, & as someone who was in Yellowstone recently, that's not really how catching a ride with a stranger works. One might offer a couple bucks for gas, but likely it'll be turned down. 10 miles is nothing. $200 is something.

I think B would actually know as a guy in the van lifestyle, yoga, barefeet, all that, that that's an extremely high amount of money to offer but his judgement was off because he was in a panic. Were he thinking straight, he might have said, hey, here's a fiver, or $10 if you want. Very curious if Miranda is for real. I think she's absolutely believable, but like anyone, I've been had before.
[moo, moop, alltheimhos]

 

[bambibones]

In a news release Wednesday, the North Port Police Department said Brian Laundrie returned home to Florida September 1, ten days before Petito was reported missing by her family.

Boyfriend returned home 10 days before Gabby Petito was reported missing, police say

But we've already seen that the police have only repeated what DL's parents told them. And we've already found that the parents can't be relied on.

 

[Lore Listener]

AND just because one was being abusive, doesn't preclude the other from also having been abusive either. I don't think it's like there's one side that is always the bad guy, and the other always the victim, in dysfunctional relationships. But if one comes back and the other doesn't, little thing start to maybe mean more.

Snipped for focus.

While there are different legal definitions of domestic violence depending on where you are, scholars, subject matter experts, and advocacy organizations generally agree upon the following definition from the United Nations.

Domestic abuse, also called "domestic violence" or "intimate partner violence", can be defined as a pattern of behavior in any relationship that is used to gain or maintain power and control over an intimate partner. Abuse is physical, sexual, emotional, economic or psychological actions or threats of actions that influence another person. This includes any behaviors that frighten, intimidate, terrorize, manipulate, hurt, humiliate, blame, injure, or wound someone.
What Is Domestic Abuse? | United Nations

It is a pattern of behavior, and except for what is called "situational violence," there actually is usually one bad guy, which we refer to as the "primary aggressor". The PA is the person who exerts "coercive control" over the victim--or controls their behavior through manipulation or force. Those of us who have studied or experienced DV tend to recognize coercive control pretty quickly when we see it.

I strongly urge everyone to read this Mayo Clinic explainer on DV, especially if you think you know about DV based on your own opinions, but haven't read much solid research:
Recognize the signs of domestic violence against women

 

[Submariner]

Biranis suspect # 1 unofficially. Do you think 60 plus cops just go looking for some <modsnip> with drones, etccc.. No, they dont.

 

[oviedo]

It’s nice to see so many members - some new and some old friends at WS- here on Gabbys thread

many details that we’ve been posting about may be found in her media thread which we strive to keep updated - details like how do we know BL arrived home Sept 1 (LE) who owns the Van (gabby per LE) when did she last FaceTime with anyone, etc - it’s fairly brief just 13 pages and may help immensely to catch up - We are all here for Gabby and hope she is found soon!
WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE No discussion*

 

[Vegasgrl]

With BL being gone since Tue and purposely going into the vast, swampy, alligator-infested world of slop, is there any reason to believe he's alive?
It's hard for me to believe that, but oh I sure do hope so.
Please God.

MOST people, if given the choice, would chose another option (regarding where to hide), even jail is better than being attacked by a huge hungry alligator or wild boar.

 

[Seabunny]

I'm new here and created an account so I can share my thoughts on Brian. Both he and Gabby seem like genuinely kind and good people. I'm especially focused on Brian right now because I feel very attuned to his energy and how he lives his life.

Brian seems gentle and grounded. He loves camping, painting and reading. He was sad to leave the plants at his parents' homes and told them they're his best friends. He was happy to bring some small succulents with them in their van. He does yoga and is handy with tools. He did considerable work preparing the van for their travels.

The comments about him here and especially on social media are disheartening. I've read everything you've read and understand things aren't looking good for Brian, but my heart is breaking for both of them.

Brian left his parents' home for one of two reason: It was made known to them the police were going to obtain a search or an arrest warrant, based on evidence that hasn't been disclosed to the public yet; or Brian was needing the comfort of what he loves the most: the trees and plants, fresh air and open space. To see all of those law enforcement officers pursing him in a search is terrifying. It just seems so contrary to who he is and how he thinks and sees the world around him.

The couple that picked up Brian when he was hitching a ride presumably back to Gabby and the van, didn't mention bruises or bloodied knuckles. That's because there wasn't anything to note about his physical appearance, other than his clothing. She did say it was odd how clean he was, but I've done extensive backpacking and never looked muddy. My gear was always clean and tidy, and I didn't smell. Also, Brian loves going barefoot, and he loves minimalism. As an experienced camper, it makes sense to me that he'd only bring a tarp and nothing hefty for a few days of camping along a river. This isn't at all a concern for me.

As for his confusion about the direction they were heading, he's not from that area. I think he got north and south mixed up and didn't realize Jackson Hole was in the wrong direction. He was experiencing some stress from whatever it was that happened that had him doing a solo trip away from Gabby for a few days. They were still telling people they're engaged, and the police introduced the idea of spending some time apart, and that's what he was doing. It's possible there's nothing of interest with any of this sighting other than the date for the sake of the timeline and his location.

The police camera footage did not leave me feeling as if Brian was cocky, as so many people have said. His body language was reflective of his personality. He's quiet and gentle in his mannerisms, shy and uncomfortable around people. He was shaking and scared. Gabby was experiencing a full breakdown from her anxiety. I suffer from anxiety and that's exactly how it can be. She was asked what she does for a living, and she said she's a nutritionist. She hesitated, probably because she was looking for something to describe her lifestyle and goals. I doubt she's a certified nutritionist. Her friend Rose said Gabby was working at Taco Bell last year and then a smoothie place. Taco Bell really surprised me. It's completely at odds with what she portrays on her social media accounts and in the video.

All this tells me is that Gabby is young and finding herself. It's not that she was being dishonest; it's more that 'nutritionist' is what made the most sense to her. It characterized maybe her goals and also her lifestyle. She also said they don't drink, but she met Rose at a bar once. I tend to say I don't drink, but a few times a year I'll buy a bottle of wine. So I don't feel she was being dishonest with this either. It's again more of a response that speaks to the overall picture of who she feels she is and how they're living their lives.

Brian has been described as controlling. I have a lot to say about that and feel I'm understanding him and what motivates the decisions he makes. But for now I'd just like to bring some compassion and concern to this young man, who I think is frequently misunderstood. Regardless of the outcome of this case, I am genuinely heartbroken for both Gabby and Brian. He just doesn't resonate with me as someone who harmed Gabby. Please note that I didn't say or imply he's incapable of harming her. I think we are all capable of doing something sudden and unexpected.

But what I'm sensing here is something very dark that is turning against Brian and strengthening. I think his silence was his only hope of protection, and his legal right, and it seems it's all beginning to fall apart. I am praying for Gabby's safe return, and I'm also praying for Brian. Thank you for reading this.

Very gracious post. Thank you for your thoughts. I do feel like I was harsh in my observations of him but I also know that things aren’t always what they seem. After watching the DV video I thought they were both precious. Scared for sure. They both bit off more than they can chew with this trip.

<modsnip>. At the end of the day, we have to focus on the facts, but sometimes character studies help steer people’s ideas. It’s not always right or helpful, but sometimes it is.

I think we can take GP’s friend’s word for it that he was jealous and controlling towards GP in private. We can also take it as fact they fought a lot. Anything can happen to the best of people in the heat of a moment. Whatever happened was accidental. IMO. I don’t think she’s with us and I think he’s devastated.

More later….

 

[Kristyp1024]

It makes no sense to take the car if he were still in the park. How did they think he was going to get home? I think he called them and told them to pick up the car. An abandoned car would have alerted authorities, so they had to pick it up.

I agree...and now he's not touching base and they are panicking and giving just enough to make sure he's found alive if desperate but not enough to incriminate if he's just lost his phone

 

[Sorelle19]

FYI, the area being searched now according to this article is in Jackson. Which is where according to the female who picked him up hitchhiking, he freaked out about going to, so she let him out and he started back the other way, NORTH.
Police search for missing 'van-life girl' Gabby Petito in Wyoming and boyfriend in Florida | Daily Mail Online

 

[PommyMommy]

Anyone know if Miranda Baker has been vetted yet as a credible source for her claim she picked B up, & he offered to shell out $200 for 10 miles?

If true, if he did offer that fat wad of cash to go 10 miles... that smacks of a person whose judgement is completely out of control. In my experience as a hitchhiker, & as someone who was in Yellowstone recently, that's not really how catching a ride with a stranger works. One might offer a couple bucks for gas, but likely it'll be turned down. 10 miles is nothing. $200 is something.

I think B would actually know as a guy in the van lifestyle, yoga, barefeet, all that, that that's an extremely high amount of money to offer but his judgement was off because he was in a panic. Were he thinking straight, he might have said, hey, here's a fiver, or $10 if you want. Very curious if Miranda is for real. I think she's absolutely believable, but like anyone, I've been had before.
[moo, moop, alltheimhos]

Article updated SEP 18, 2021
Woman says she and her boyfriend picked up Laundrie hitchhiking (fox13now.com)
Police have confirmed a TikTok users claims that she picked up Brian Laundrie, the boyfriend of missing woman Gabby Petito, while he was hiking alone in Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming in late August.

FOX 13 has reached out to authorities and police confirmed that they have been in contact with the TikTok user, Miranda Baker. They say her story is "possibly credible."

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