Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #14

[charminglane]

I heard “ she said I can’t believe you’re getting pulled over“

I will reiterate again, I was reading the transcript.
06:10
said i can't leave her again fold over

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks for this @MassGuy.

Still a lot of daylight hours left but we will see…

What’s your feeling at this point in time regarding if he’s really in the nature preserve as opposed to his having fled the area?

I don't know how I feel. If this intelligence is based solely on what the parents have said, then I'm skeptical, as I trust them about as far as I can throw them.

If I had to guess, I'd say that he is there, and he is dead. I'm just hoping for more information that provides a bit of clarity.

 

[GussiedCanoodler]

Just a suggestion regarding BL’s parents bringing the car back. I know a bunch of people with Fords who have door access to their cars via a code and are able and do routinely lock their keys hidden in their cars. All they need to get into the car is that code. I assumed that’s how they got the car back vs just driving around with spare keys. I just keep seeing that mentioned and thought I’d speak up. I don’t think it’s important, I just didn’t think it’s strange they’d be able to access the vehicle and drive it when they found it.

Now I do think it’s strange they’d take off in it and leave him stranded but that’s a whole different thing.

This is good to know, thank you!! So that lends even more ambiguity/questions to the case. I appreciate your input!

 

[officer'swife 2010]

Do you believe his family? I don’t.

I don’t really believe them either, why wait 3 days?? I’m always like don’t judge ppl but not shedding a very good light JMO

 

[TCJonkey]

That's also the hat she was wearing in the last picture of the Ogden visit.

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[annpats]

Good grief, there's not much room in that van at all in the back....did they sleep in the front seats then??
Or pitch a tent every night?

 

[Deleted member 121463]

I will reiterate again, I was reading the transcript.
06:10
said i can't leave her again fold over

Yes, it does appear that he leaves her stranded with some regularity as a form of control. IMO

 

[PonderingOne]

I'm not seeing anything either. Would a helicopter show up?

Sometimes it's impossible to track search flights because search/police, aircraft/helicopters remain invisible to FlightRadar24. The app is great though for commercial and some private flights. Military, police, search—not so much.

 

[DocBrew]

I know how these cases usually end, but this one just seems a bit different to me for some reason. Too many unanswered questions. Too many variables. Too many plausible scenarios. I can't put my finger on why, but I keep getting a funny feeling that this case isn't necessarily going to end tragically.

JMO.

 

[dacjess]

I will reiterate again, I was reading the transcript.
06:10
said i can't leave her again fold over

In my experience with generated transcripts, they are often wrong. JMO.

 

[ToddIanuzzi]

I think the reason is that it is free. ?

Yes. We are dispersed campers (small truck bed camper) and popular campgrounds, like a national park in the summer and a.) not free and more importantly b.) require reservations far in advance. We hate reservations and a very small percentage of our camping is in campgrounds for this reason. Many people think the same way.

Dispersed camping has become very popular with lots of apps giving gps coordinates to promising areas, so areas like those near national parks often fill up in peak season. Sometimes you get an ugly spot, but just need a place to sleep and then you'll drive to your hike trailhead or whathaveyou in the morning. Nothing is weird about this at all - it's an insanely popular hobby that grows each year (to my dismay). You either have been exposed to this hobby or not, and I can see it being weird to non-campers or infrequent state park/national park types, but it's very popular trust me.

Now hiking in the swamp in summertime in a rainstorm in FL while the most famous POI on earth, on the other hand, is complete BS. He either shot himself out there or he's alive and far from there.

 

[Unicorn_mom]

Probably nothing but spotted what could be a person in the video starting at about the 1:27 mark.

 

[JayBird08]

I thought the couple said they didn't see anyone in the van?

My thoughts exactly, they said they were going to go and say hello because of the Florida plates but no one was there so they just carried on.

 

[Alkali13]

Could someone reassure me that LE wouldn’t be out on a wild goose chase at this point? They would verify information they get from BL’s parents, right? I’m sure they don’t want to be on a National stage looking incompetent but BL’s parents seem to have made this really hard for them. If they don’t look and something happens to BL, they get blamed. If they do look and BL isn’t there, they’ll get blamed.

The only reason I think they believe BL is there is that the parents called them, legitimately upset.

My personal theory is they dropped Brian off, and they knew he'd be there hiding out. They likely grabbed the car so no one would no where he was. Eventually though, they realized a gun was missing from the car and suddenly they were worried about THEIR missing child. LE needs Brian alive, and the Laundries are convinced there's enough going on that he'd harm himself, hence finally calling police just to talk about their son, and not Gabby.

 

[LAhiker]

I think @cady had a good theory on a previous thread. I don't know how to quote from a previous thread properly, but here's a link to the post:
ACTIVE SEARCH - WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #13

• Like others, I think the TikTok poster Miranda Baker sounds credible and conscientious and disagree with Gabby's parents that the timeline is off. While of course it could've been someone else that Miranda and her boyfriend picked up, I think it was Brian and that he still would've had time to drive back to Florida. (Assuming that it was he who drove the van back to Florida).

Scenario 1: -- as @cady suggests, BL and GP and their van are at or near the Spread Creek Dispersed campsite. They argue, he kills or injures her. He then hikes (yes, hiking 10 miles is doable for many, though I don't know if it's doable for him) or hitches north to Colton Bay, showers, and then hitches south toward Jackson, wanting to pick up the van and get out of there. Some questions/comments:

• If he initially said he wanted to go to "Jackson," why did he panic and get out of the car when was it mentioned? Someone suggested that there are two roads going south, one of which is closer to the Spread Creek campground, and he realized they were on the one further west. So he didn't get out to hitch, as he said, but instead to hoof it to the campground and get out of there.
• If he wanted to build an alibi that someone else killed her, shouldn't he have reported her missing when he got back to the campground and acted distraught? Maybe he realized that wouldn't hold up?
• Like others, I wonder if the tent was found in the van. It sounds like he didn't have it on him.... Could he have mentioned camping with a tarp not only to claim to have been gone for several days but to draw attention away from the tent? Could he & GP have fought in the tent -- could he have killed her there and then disposed of the tent and her?
• This scenario or something like it may be why LE is searching at Spread Creek campsite.

Scenario 2 -- maybe BL and GP went north, to the Snake River area, with the van (or possibly without it, but hard do see why they'd do that). He then killed her and hitched south to Colton Bay, where he showered and cleaned up. Questions/comments:

• Why would he then have wanted to hitch to Jackson -- why not hitch back north? For an alibi? But if he needed an alibi, why freak out when he's actually being taken to Jackson, where he asked to go? Confusion about geography -- did he think Jackson was north of Colton Bay? (Maybe GP was the navigator to his driver, though in that case, it's odd that he made it all the way back to FL on his own.) Maybe he wanted to go south for an alibi, but then changed his mind wanted to back to the van pronto to drive back to FL?
• This scenario, or something like it, may be why an area of Yellowstone is being searched. (At least, that's what I've heard.)

Another question:

• Are there cameras at Colton Bay? Did anyone see him there? What direction did he come from? What did he look like when he got there -- what was he carrying, and did he indeed take a shower?

JMO.

Sorry, I meant to type Colter Bay (as in Colter Bay Village).

 

[swedeheart]

Lots of people seeing figures inside the van and yet the couple filming said it was dark inside and looked like no one there, and they apparently drove back the other way and it was still there. Surely they’d have seen if someone or two people were sitting in the front? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Pareidolia (/ˌpær.iˈdoʊ.li.ə, ˌpɛr-/;[1] also US: /ˌpɛr.aɪˈdoʊ.li.ə, -ˈdoʊl.jə/)[2] is the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus, usually visual, so that one sees an object, pattern, or meaning where there is none.

Common examples are perceived images of animals, faces, or objects in cloud formations, seeing faces in inanimate objects, or lunar pareidolia like the Man in the Moon or the Moon rabbit. The concept of pareidolia may extend to include hidden messages in recorded music played in reverse or at higher- or lower-than-normal speeds, and hearing voices (mainly indistinct) or music in random noise, such as that produced by air conditioners or fans.

 

[Shellinaya]

From experience I can tell you that securing campsites at or near national parks can be very difficult, especially if you are on a flexible timeline. That's why you see many van campers in dispersed camping. It's generally a friendly but private crowd and everyone leaves you to your self. We much prefer dispersed camping to an established campground.

I understand that too, if you are outfitted with lots of equipment. It seems like all they had was a tent and it was very cold at night. No bathroom facilities? No water? Tiny van that's a mess? I can imagine her getting more and more frustrated by this trip, especially if he's going off "hiking" a lot by himself leaving her to work on videos or whatever all by herself. That whole situation would get old very fast. I've been on many camping trips and I can't imagine why you'd be camping with someone just to leave them by themselves for several hours, even days at a time. They must have been arguing non-stop by that point.

JMO and speculation

 

[SMK777]

I don't know how I feel. If this intelligence is based solely on what the parents have said, then I'm skeptical, as I trust them about as far as I can throw them.

If I had to guess, I'd say that he is there, and he is dead. I'm just hoping for more information that provides a bit of clarity.

Thanks much. I can’t trust the parents’ words much, either.

I guess all we can do now, is await information from the searchers and LE.

 

[uphill4downhill]

So is it established that we cannot trust basing a timeline on BL being back in FL on 9/1 as this was just reported by his parents to LE with no hard evidence to support it?

 

[Deleted member 121463]

It's a trend at the moment, I've noticed.
Dead people are being seen everywhere.

In the van or not, it really doesn't make too much of a difference. It clearly IS their van. imo