Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #37

[NCWatcher]

How do you act aggressively toward all those people and LE not be called?

Forget LE, apparently it wasn't even considered serious enough at the time to summon the restaurant manager!

It's been a long time but I have waited tables. And I worked as a hostess while in college. If the manager wasn't involved, it probably wasn't a big deal to the staff. Irritating, of course. Wait staff have a hard job and restaurant patrons can sometimes be jerks. But I do sort of wonder if the witness isn't exaggerating a bit.
JMO

 

[Lillymac]

This stuff happens often in restaurants and bars .......... they are used to it. They just try to be polite and hope the idiots go away. If there are threats of physical harm, then they call LE. JMO

Not where I live.

 

[Shellinaya]

She was his "meal ticket" and he was so insecure and afraid, that he did whatever it took to keep her in his bubble. I think his anger / frustration / lack of ability to control her took over, and that is why she is dead. JMO

I had to have the "You are not his meal ticket and he is not allowed to ride your coat tails." talk with my youngest. She's applying to vet schools. He is a dud. I think he's Mr. Right Now, definitely not Mr. Right. But she doesn't see it. I don't see any DV going on but you know I'm always on the look out for it!

You sound like a great mother!
I do wonder what Gabby's mom thought of BL before this trip. She must have trusted BL to some extent too, to not have tried to talk her daughter out of going on this trip with him. Or he was just like Jekyl/Hyde and she couldn't see it until it was way too late.
IMO

 

[passionflower]

Looks like a tennis shoe in bag

 

[TUTUFUN]

Does the parents' quick compliance with the DNA request mean anything? Until now they've been so uncooperative...

Do we know for certain that the FBI was there specifically to collect DNA?
My speculation is that whatever they wanted was an area/item covered by a previous warrant.

 

[Estelle]

Has anyone actually seen footage of BL after September 1st?

September 1- BL is back in FL
September 1-9th - Neighborhood sees family taking bike rides
September 5-7?- Neighbors see CL packing up camper.
September 9-12?- BL and parents go “camping”
MEDIA IS OUT FRONT OF LAUNDRIES HOME (dates this starts?)
September 11- GP reported missing
September 14 -BL leaves home no wallet, no phone
September 16 - Body cam footage was released by Moab Police
September 17 - BL Parents reported BL missing

Looking at the dates it “seems” like RL and CL’s actions are all within a day or two of major media reports.

Is this just a reoccurring coincidence or planned behavior?
How is there no photos or videos of BL in Florida, only “reports” he was there? Not one media person has video of BL?

IMO something is definitely off with these facts here. NPPD never spoke to BL by all articles and accounts I’ve read dating back to when this began. I sure hope FBI is looking into this.

From above post:" Looking at the dates it “seems” like RL and CL’s actions are all within a day or two of major media reports."

I noticed that too as if the parents may have found out the day or night before via their lawyer before the media reported those events and they took action.

 

[Newsjunkiejen]

That would be 'new' information, not rehashing the same old information, so I think that it would be okay for you to post the photo.
I for one am curious!

Here is the removed item from a different angle. Make of it what you will but I no longer think sponge or pump bottle.

MOO

One FBI agent had a mysterious brown paper bag believed to contain evidence https://mol.im/a/10030441#i-dc1d2a5996f6d4f7 via http://dailym.ai/android

Image #24

 

[Lillymac]

Because a surprising number of people behave badly in restaurants daily. Especially since covid. Staffing is down, prices are up. Patrons think their order gives them the right to be an a**. My daughter worked her way thru college from line staff to manager in a well-known chain. The stories she comes home with- particularily after covid- are stunning. Staff are numb to this- not much they can do. Imo

I guess it depends on where you go. If I have ever seen this happen, I can't remember it in a restaurant. In a bar yes, but it's usually drunks and it's handled quickly.

 

[Bravo]

This is one of those cases where it wouldn't help, as he could plausibly claim that it came from a past event. That being said, I think it's highly probable she did scratch him.

I did think of that as well but hope there will be much circumstantial evidence to support. Part of the sum of it all.

 

[Bertha96]

This stuff happens often in restaurants and bars .......... they are used to it. They just try to be polite and hope the idiots go away. If there are threats of physical harm, then they call LE. JMO

Most of the time as long as they can get them to leave, there's no need to call LE. At my place of employment (DMV), we deal with out of control people on a constant basis and if we ask them to leave and they comply there's no need to call anyone.

 

[lizzied]

The restaurant has confirmed they were there.

Thank you. But now this begs the question, beyond their liquor license...is anyone shredding them for actually seeing something and not saying something? It bothers me that this could be a missed opportunity too, but I have to let it go. Because, i understand the 'we don't want to get involved', but a huge fight. . . Every single thing is 20/20 hindsight now.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Collecting the DNA of a missing person is standard procedure.


National Missing Person Program

Relatives of a missing person may voluntarily provide DNA samples. These samples are known as Family Reference Samples. Law enforcement agencies, involved in an active missing person case (case in which a missing person report has been filed), are encouraged to collect Family Reference Samples from two or more close biological relatives of the missing person and obtain a consent form signed by the contributing relative to document that the DNA samples were given voluntarily.

CODIS and NDIS Fact Sheet — FBI

Based on what I read, I do not think the DNA will be of the bio relatives unless someone went inside that we didn't hear about. (coloring by me)
CODIS and NDIS Fact Sheet — FBI

45. What are the requirements for the collection of Family Reference Samples for entry and searching in NDIS?
Relatives of a missing person must be willing to provide a DNA sample and sign a consent form in the presence of law enforcement. Only DNA samples collected voluntarily from relatives of a missing person are eligible for searching in NDIS. Those profiles will be used only for identifying a missing person or remains. (34 U.S.C. § 12592(a)(4)).

Law enforcement personnel must witness the voluntary collection of the Family Reference Samples and a consent and information form must be completed and signed by the person providing the DNA sample. The identity of the contributor providing the DNA sample must be verified by law enforcement (e.g., through presentation of an appropriate government-issued identification card). Family reference samples which are not submitted by law enforcement and with the appropriate documentation will not be accepted for entry into NDIS.

 

[Parsnip]

Going off your quote and the speeding one. Pisses me off he didnt get ticketed. But you know, chummy chummy with the police and all women are crazy. Fricking gross!!!!

It was probably to her immediate benefit that he did not get a ticket, imo. That could only have added to the stressors piling on. But I get your point. It feels unjust, like they could have at the very least gotten him on reckless driving. No interpretation required.

 

[Coquette]

My impression is that Gabby was emotionally beaten down ... but she was a (good) fighter, and wasn't going to give up her personal space/items easily.
It is very probable (imo) that she left marks on BL in her final fight. Perhaps DNA playing a small part of the accumulated circmstantial evidence of her demise.

This is my vision of her final moments as well. Fought till the end. Sweet Gabby.

MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

Based on what I read, I do not think the DNA will be of the bio relatives unless someone went inside that we didn't hear about. (coloring by me)
CODIS and NDIS Fact Sheet — FBI

45. What are the requirements for the collection of Family Reference Samples for entry and searching in NDIS?
Relatives of a missing person must be willing to provide a DNA sample and sign a consent form in the presence of law enforcement. Only DNA samples collected voluntarily from relatives of a missing person are eligible for searching in NDIS. Those profiles will be used only for identifying a missing person or remains. (34 U.S.C. § 12592(a)(4)).

Law enforcement personnel must witness the voluntary collection of the Family Reference Samples and a consent and information form must be completed and signed by the person providing the DNA sample. The identity of the contributor providing the DNA sample must be verified by law enforcement (e.g., through presentation of an appropriate government-issued identification card). Family reference samples which are not submitted by law enforcement and with the appropriate documentation will not be accepted for entry into NDIS.

Yes, not saying that the DNA is from BL's relatives. I just copied the first part of the text and hoped people would read the whole thing (if they are interested). Or find their own links.

Collecting DNA of a missing person is standard procedure.

 

[Skigirl]

Restaurant and bars are loath to call LE. Too many visits be LE puts a liquor license at risk.

Yes, this. I waited tables for many years in several different regions of the country. We had angry people, sometimes who acted totally nuts. I cannot recall more than two times when we called 911. One was when someone was choking, resulting in an emergency tracheotomy right there on the floor of the restaurant (which resulted in citations for having high chairs stacked too close to the emergency exit, not that anyone regretted calling, obviously). The other was a woman who had obviously been roofied and was literally being dragged out the door by a probable sexual predator (which resulted in a citation for serving someone with a fake ID.)

That's how extreme I've seen it get before someone wants to call LE. Your run of the mill jerk, even one causing a scene, is likely to make the staff just want to diffuse the situation.

That said, if he really came back in four times, I think that would have triggered a call at most of the places where I've worked, because there would have been a fear that he was going to a vehicle to get a weapon. I guess we'll hear more about what happened if this case goes to trial.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I don't know all of the police codes in Utah (or that district), but I'm pretty sure that the "1638" and "1641" at the end of those dispatches are for the time of day: 1638=4:38 p.m. and 1641=4:41 p.m.
Some of the others could be the officers' ID numbers?

Agree with you totally! I think badge numbers are common. I don't know that I heard these correctly.

 

[SuziQ]

The female office said that she advised even though she agreed with male officer that Gabby was the aggressor, but we have no proof that she said anything like she claims and there is nothing about it in the report.

Yeah, I want to see her cam video if she has one.

 

[JayWill]

He was simply a hard-core misogynist, wasn't he? SMH. What a jerk. Where did it all originate? And poor Gabby was his day & night partner for years. My heart aches. But Gabby is above all that now.
Justice for Gabby and her parents. And for all women everywhere.
Grrrrr.
Please excuse the mini-rant.

He is a small man both literally and figuratively. I bet that he never spoke to men like that.

 

[Estelle]

My impression is that Gabby was emotionally beaten down ... but she was a (good) fighter, and wasn't going to give up her personal space/items easily.
It is very probable (imo) that she left marks on BL in her final fight. Perhaps DNA playing a small part of the accumulated circmstantial evidence of her demise.

Yes I thought that by the time he got back to his parent's home any possible scratches he received may have gone otherwise he could have worn clothes to cover them up. Otherwise, his parents would have wondered where he got them from. OR, he may have told his parents, "Look what Gabby did to me!"