Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #45

[LMDlong]

I wonder if there have been 911 calls made in the past from the Laundrie residence?

When I say 'in the past', I mean in the time period BL and GP lived there along with BL's parents.

It's been widely reported that BL and GP's relationship was hot and cold, on and off, so it makes me think that 911 might have been called before if their arguments were explosive (and particularly if one, or both of them got violent).

MOO

I’m wondering what the two calls were for? The FBI more than likely know , but have not mentioned it.

 

[MsBetsy]

Well…the guy hiked barefoot. I’d be interested to know if he even owned a pair of shoes…haha.

I wonder if LE ever found the flip-flops he wore on the trip. I doubt he would have worn them for a hike in the reserve, or wherever he went.

 

[MLaps]

Wow, just got back online and...the 911 calls that Brian Entin tweeted out....I just wonder about those redactments.

 

[KidonGadol]

My 29 yo daughter died in May and I called AT&T to find out if LE could access her records even if I ended her phone service. AT&T told me that they kept records of texts and phone logs for 18 months and maybe could even get older records under some circumstances. AT&T said they needed a warrant from LE to provide the info and could not give it to me even if my daughter was on my family plan. AT&T said they could even provide transcripts of text messages between my daughter’s iPhone and other types of phones. However, iMessages between 2 iPhones would have to be requested from Apple (also with a warrant) if my daughter had an iCloud account that backed up her phone, which she did. Apple will not unlock phones even if LE asks them to. Just FYI my daughter died of an OD, which NC investigates as a homicide. I let the detective know the information from AT&T, but I don’t know if NC LE ever got a warrant for AT&T or Apple. I gave LE her phone and text logs. All this to say I don’t think BL getting a new phone will preclude LE from getting data on his old phone from AT&T and/or Apple.

Thanks for your informative post.
Oh, what a sad, sad reason for you to have to go through all of that.
My sympathy to you for the loss of your daughter. Blessings to you and your family.

My reply is on the technicalities of this only.
1. Re Apple. That seems to be correct. IN the Dan Markel matter, the password of the Iphone that Rivera, the hit man's driver used was broken by the FBI apparently without the assistance of Apple Inc. Unless you use careful social intuition the passwords can be near unbreakable as they are encripted in the phones. It was the breaking of this password and access to to all the texts
that persuaded Rivera that it might be a good idea to be a State witness, along with a Plea deal that took the death penality off the table. (I digress slightly)

2. My understanding is that there has been a Federal ruling in the USA that the FBI can access Any data from the phone tower dumps , Viz all the metadata of calls and all texts after six months of seizing the handset or the user being deceased. The carrier might not want to give it up but that seems to be the current ruling . Prior to six months from the date of transmission, they need a warrant.

3. Some of the Phone carriers seem to take the legal position that in terms of the phone's coordinates - they own the data . The provide the tower system and the infrastructure and the location in time wrt the tower system is not data that the owner of the handset owns (or explicitly transmits).

KG

 

[Cardinal47]

Heather Tallchief knew they would be looking for someone young. Great disguise!

Alethea thank you for the great example of what I was thinking!

 

[Cryptic]

IF he was ever there, one would hope he would stay out of the water, but the place has been flooded for a month. I really don't care what happens to him with ferocious fauna, but as I said, I doubt he was ever in that swamp anyway. Horrible place to hide.

As a side note, by taking precautions (looking out for them, noting signs of their presence, knowing which local areas to avoid due to chummed waters etc, keeping out of the water at certain times), one can canoe, fish, wade and even swim in alligator areas for extended periods of time with out ever being attacked by one- well almost always.

In the end, alligators are far more deadly in movies rampaging though New York sewers than they are in reality.

As for the idea of hiding in a swamp, I think it depends on who is doing the hiding. Familiarity can lead to effective hiding.

I think there is a pretty good chance that the suspect is comfortable outdoors and does not get easily fazed by swamps and associated creepy crawlies. Rather, he could be pretty comfortable in them- at least for a period of time.

 

[Alkali13]

He will still need cash to eat and to sleep if he is to remain safe forever.

We don't know how much cash he has, just that it's over $1k.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Vehicle Forensics: A Rapidly Growing Source of Critical Digital Evidence

 

[JayWill]

Didn’t GP’s dad say he went over to the Laundrie house to try to find out info about his daughter because they couldn’t reach Gabby and no one was responding to calls or texts asking about her? Maybe the Laundries called 911 because Mr Petito was outside their door and wouldn’t go away.

No, he rang the police.

 

[Nudgee]

I wonder if LE ever found the flip-flops he wore on the trip. I doubt he would have worn them for a hike in the reserve, or wherever he went.

Actually, that is a question I have wondered about. The video of Red White & Bethune who happened to spot GP’s van on 08/27 showed flip flops at the back of the van. I’ve always wondered if when LE went back to that site where they were parked, were the flip flops still there...and if so, whose were they?? That is one image that sticks w/me(sadly)

 

[Alkali13]

Wow, just got back online and...the 911 calls that Brian Entin tweeted out....I just wonder about those redactments.

I'm guessing it involves whatever inevitable lies and attempted alibi BL created from the beginning.

 

[tiara1972]

UPDATE: Rick Stafford, the Petito family’s attorney, said that the records shouldn’t be read to indicate some kind of exchange between Laundrie and Joseph Petito that day.“From what I understand, on September 10 is when Joe Petito called the North Port, [Florida] police department to report his daughter missing,” Mr Stafford told The Independent. “That whole day he was in Vero Beach, which was on the other side of the state. ““He’s never even been to Brian Laundrie’s house, and he’s never been on the block,” Mr Stafford added. “If there is a report, when that report comes out, it’s going to be the missing persons report that was taken over the phone from Joe to the North Port police department.”
BBM
Gabby Petito’s family lawyer casts doubt on ‘incident’ with father at Laundrie’s home

Wonder why, if he moved to FL to be closer to Gabby, but still 3 or so hours away-Vero Beach- if my recall is any kind of accurate (I think I read that once upon a time in these threads) why he had never been to her house? Huh. Curious indeed. MOO!

 

[Chelly]

Something I am wondering about...Let's say a warrant is issued charging BL with murder while he is still on the run. Could LE then also charge and arrest BL's parents for aiding and abetting? What would be the best means for LE to coerce the parents to provide information leading to BL's arrest?

 

[RedDaisys]

If he was found today, could they announce tonight, or would they wait till morning?

 

[Scrapper18]

If you are curious about the conditions of surviving in a swamp, the tv show “Naked and Afraid” had episodes in the Everglades and the swamps of Louisiana. Not exactly the swamps FBI are looking at, but close and gives you a glimpse of similar conditions.

 

[Skigirl]

No, he didn't go there in person. I think both Gabby's parents became furious when they found out Brian and his parents were home after they had been calling and texting with no response. After they requested a well check and found out Gabby wasn't there, they knew something was very wrong. Imo

On Sept. 10th, Gabby's mother tried to report Gabby missing in NY, and Suffolk County Police would not take the report. She persisted and connected with Tracy Barry, on September 11th, whom she calls her "angel."

Mother of missing Gabby Petito says boyfriend and his family IGNORED her desperate texts | Daily Mail Online

On the same day, GP's mother said in one of the first interviews, that she also texted BL and his mother and did not get a response.

I would imagine that she and Gaby's father were in contact and were both worried and were both trying, to get the attention of the police, she in NY and he in FL. My guess (MOO) is that that's the reason for the calls that were placed on September 10th in North Port.

 

[LMDlong]

I wonder if there have been 911 calls made in the past from the Laundrie residence?

When I say 'in the past', I mean in the time period BL and GP lived there along with BL's parents.

It's been widely reported that BL and GP's relationship was hot and cold, on and off, so it makes me think that 911 might have been called before if their arguments were explosive (and particularly if one, or both of them got violent).

MOO

I’m wondering what the two calls were for? The FBI more than likely know , but have not mentioned it.

 

[putnam6]

interesting. I’ve said it before but is it possible the Laundries are afraid of their son?

I'm thinking if they weren't afraid before they should be now. I can easily see them having a contentious relationship, living together for 2 years with your fiancee. Its been mentioned here before that maybe it led to GB wanting to hit the road.

 

[LMDlong]

Has there been any update today DTBH search for BL?

 

[Alethea]

Heather Tallchief knew they would be looking for someone young. Great disguise!

Alethea thank you for the great example of what I was thinking!

If any one else is interested, there is a documentary series on Netflix called "HEISTS" that covered different historical heists. The first one was Heather Tallchief's story and their reenactment was great.