Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #45

[ZoriahNZ]

Also...why haven't we heard from Brian? You know why. Because he refuses to tell NPPD, FBI or even Gabby's parents what happened. Refused to tell even the most basic information of where he last saw her, or where she might be.

He so did not want to be heard from regarding Gabby's disappearance and death that he's currently on the run, while a federal arrest warrant is out for him.

This is why we haven't heard his side. Because HE chose not to tell what he knew and would rather be a fugitive from the law.

That's on him.

 

[nocommoncents]

6 Gallon jug sounds small to me. She must have been really dehydrated to resort to asking the officers for water.

I would think that was for washing hands, dishes, etc and bottles for drinking. That's how we use our water.

 

[customCF]

On the assault stop video, when the police told Gabby she had to be away from Brian for a night, Gabby immediately started crying and said she couldn't handle that. I wonder, then, how she could handle it if he left her in Utah to go back to Florida -- if that trip did indeed happen.

That is a good question. I would not be surprised to learn in the future that he did NOT go to FL. I do find it suspicious that storage move though. Could they have known she wasn't coming back at that point? MOO Speculation.

 

[Lillymac]

6 Gallon jug sounds small to me. She must have been really dehydrated to resort to asking the officers for water.

She didn't ask. They offered her gatorade or water and she chose water. She said that was all she drank and it was one of the first things the officers did.

 

[witchway]

6 gallons for the trip they were on would not last half a day for both of them. MOO
They didn't plan on that very well IMO.

. My point exactly. Also she said they were out of water in the new released body cam footage.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

FWIW. MOO.

I don't think BL planned to murder Gabby. I think the fighting escalated and he grabbed her by her face once again just as she testified to, and it escalated from there to his hands around her throat.

This would have fractured her hyoid bone and thereby resulted in the very sudden ruling of the death as a homicide.

It takes a long time to strangle a person to death. In those minutes lie premeditation. He could have stopped at any time, but he didn't. Contrary to popular belief, premeditation isn't defined by preplanning. It's defined as knowing your actions are likely to result in the death of the person, but you persist in them. It can be formed in minutes.

On that note, I'm exhausted and goodnight and justice for Gabby.

 

[customCF]

Also...why haven't we heard from Brian? You know why. Because he refuses to tell NPPD, FBI or even Gabby's parents what happened. Refused to tell even the most basic information of where he last saw her, or where she might be.

He so did not want to be heard from regarding Gabby's disappearance and death that he's currently on the run, while a federal arrest warrant is out for him.

This is why we haven't heard his side. Because HE chose not to tell what he knew and would rather be a fugitive from the law.

That's on him.

I will be very surprised if BL tells anyone the actual truth IF he is ever found alive. If there were no witnesses that we don't know about, he could spin any tale he chose IMO

 

[LAhiker]

I'm not sure how DNA evidence would even work when an intimate homicide occurs between domestic partners. Because it would be expected to be on her person anyway, if they were engaged.

It might be found under her fingernails if she tried to fight back. If this goes to trial, BL's attorneys might try to explain that away, but it would still be a piece of evidence against him, especially if it fit with her fighting back against whatever way she was killed.

JMO

 

[customCF]

I would think that was for washing hands, dishes, etc and bottles for drinking. That's how we use our water.

Hard to know 100%. They both appear to have had small water bottles to carry in their backpacks. Hard to do much more than what they did in such a small van

 

[nocommoncents]

That is a good question. I would not be surprised to learn in the future that he did NOT go to FL. I do find it suspicious that storage move though. Could they have known she wasn't coming back at that point? MOO Speculation.

Didn't the sister confirm he did?

 

[customCF]

FWIW. MOO.

I don't think BL planned to murder Gabby. I think the fighting escalated and he grabbed her by her face once again just as she testified to, and it escalated from there to his hands around her throat.

This would have fractured her hyoid bone and thereby resulted in the very sudden ruling of the death as a homicide.

It takes a long time to strangle a person to death. In those minutes lie premeditation. He could have stopped at any time, but he didn't. Contrary to popular belief, premeditation isn't defined by preplanning. It's defined as knowing your actions are likely to result in the death of the person, but you persist in them. It can be formed in minutes.

On that note, I'm exhausted and goodnight and justice for Gabby.

Would breaking the hyoid bone itself cause a persons death?

 

[customCF]

Didn't the sister confirm he did?

BL's sister? In the interview she did, she seemed to be unclear to if he did or not.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

She didn't ask. They offered her gatorade or water and she chose water. She said that was all she drank and it was one of the first things the officers did.

In the first video, she specifically asks the first officer for water. Most likely they came back later with a choice of drinks. In the first video, she makes the request, then he asks Brian if he also wants water and tries to arrange some with one of the other officers.

 

[AlwaysReading]

The unsettling event reminded me of the Stockholm Syndrome.

"Stockholm syndrome is an emotional response. It happens to some abuse and hostage victims when they have positive feelings toward an abuser or captor.
Someone who has Stockholm syndrome might have confusing feelings toward the abuser, including:

• Love
• Sympathy
• Empathy
• Desire to protect them"

What Is Stockholm Syndrome?

There is a fair bit of controversy about the validity of "Stockholm Syndrome" Here's a very short BBC video about it's origins. If you're interested there are a lot of articles online that argue it is not a true syndrome, rather, it is a way to discredit and pathologize victims of abuse (usually women).

The real story of Stockholm syndrome - BBC Ideas

 

[Figuring]

I'm not sure how DNA evidence would even work when an intimate homicide occurs between domestic partners. Because it would be expected to be on her person anyway, if they were engaged.

You're definitely right that two people who are in a relationship probably share & shed DNA constantly. Touch DNA & shed cells etc would be expected in the same home, for sure.

However, there are a few scenarios in which DNA from inter-partner violence can differ from the day-to-day DNA that come to mind, from various other cases I've followed (& where there have been convictions):

- if the assailant's DNA is on a weapon of some kind that is thought to be the weapon (matches wounds &/or is found at or near the site); also, if the victim's DNA is on the weapon; sometimes, even a mixture of their DNA--& only their DNA--is found on that weapon;

- if the victim's blood is shed & their blood is on clothing/belongings/in the vehicle of assailant; additionally, if in this instance, blood is shed in a pattern consistent with medium or high velocity shedding, &/or if enough blood is shed that it can be realistically determined that a person couldn't survive.

Not saying any of this happened here, we truly don't know. But just that there are many cases where forensics proved that the DNA evidence went beyond the everyday things we'd expect to see from a couple who simply share a space.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Would breaking the hyoid bone itself cause a persons death?

AFAIK, no. But it is indicative of strangulation, which would cause a person's death.

 

[Slamalam]

It might be found under her fingernails if she tried to fight back. If this goes to trial, BL's attorneys might try to explain that away, but it would still be a piece of evidence against him, especially if it fit with her fighting back against whatever way she was killed.

JMO

Especially if his is the *only* DNA found on her.

 

[Aco321]

The thing that concerns me is; Gabby was left for 3 weeks of exposure to the elements etc. what DNA evidence could they have found to prove who killed her. Is it logical to question if they found enough to place a specific person as the suspect or not?

Does anyone know what the weather was like in the area those 3 weeks? Any extreme cold or heat that would effect decomp?

 

[Lillymac]

In the first video, she specifically asks the first officer for water. Most likely they came back later with a choice of drinks. In the first video, she makes the request, then he asks Brian if he also wants water and tries to arrange some with one of the other officers.

It's the same instance, just a different body cam. I've seen both and don't recall what you're saying. Might have missed that in the first release.

 

[borndem]

They have stated the MANNER of death is homicide.
They have not released the CAUSE of death.

This tells us she died because of an action somebody else took.

It could be a very long wait for the cause of death to be released to the general public.

bbm
Totally agree with that, @kittythehare. And I'm prepared to wait.

IANAL, but AFAIK, it's not mandatory that the cause of death be disclosed prior to an arrest. Why give the perpetrator time to think of a way to show that s/he didn't do it, couldn't have done it because....
JMO