Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #48

[Bordeaux]

That's the thing about free speech. Once it's brought into question it's a very slippery slope. IMO.

Citations have been issued for using a bullhorn without a permit, especially in a residential neighborhood.

 

[nocommoncents]

Yes, I get all of this - but why not just come straight out with it and issue an arrest warrant for murder? I get that this maybe some sort of 'strategy' - but either they have the evidence that points to B as the killer, or they don't. And seeing as B is still a POI and the only arrest warrant is for fraud, I am guessing they are missing a piece of the jigsaw.

I am sure some savvy defence attorney would come up with a way to play this manhunt for fraud charges as prejudicial in any forthcoming murder trial. Or is that not a thing in the US?

That's exact the point. They don't want to let on what they know. The same reason you want to know it is why they're not sharing it.

 

[LeeJay55]

P.S.

There has been no disclosure of anything having to do with cause of death - coroner says it's waiting to complete the report; typically a full toxicology panel is run on every homicide victim, and sometimes follow-up labs are needed...it can easily be a month...and it can be kept sealed during an investigation).

(In case no one else has answered).

That's what we're waiting for as the next big news in this case (except for the capture of BL, if that ever happens).

I don't think they will reveal.cause of death till he's caught!
Like Libby and Abigail!
Jmo

 

[Nikynoo]

In most jurisdictions in the US, a coroner's report includes two main headings:

Manner of death (natural causes, suicide, homicide, accident, unknown)
Cause of death (cancer, asphyxiation, gunshot, blunt force trauma, automobile collision, sharp force trauma)

We know the manner of death for Gabby (homicide).
But not the cause (which can be a numbered list, usually in the order of which was most fatal; sometimes coroners can't tell exactly which wound was the fatal one, and it will say that somewhere in the report).

Thanks - Do you think the amount of time the body was in the open made determination as to cause more difficult?

 

[Mamamerced]

Is it known where Gabby and Brian were from Aug 14th to 17th? The timeline is blank for those dates.

 

[b2alicia]

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My understanding of the significance of the waist strap on the back pack means that it's a big pack for several days of travel. A small day pack doesn't
usually have a waist strap.

OOPS! I meant to include a quote from a previous post that talked about what was found in BL belongings...mentioned his pack with a waist strap.

 

[jamicat]

Thanks - Do you think the amount of time the body was in the open made determination as to cause more difficult?

Yes

 

[Bertha96]

Citations have been issued for using a bullhorn without a permit, especially in a residential neighborhood.

The bullhorn is a little much. It's too bad the Ls don't live in a secluded area where they would only bother the Ls. I would imagine there would be some sort of charge/citation regarding the bullhorn.

 

[Sassafrass]

The following is simply my humble opinion with a few links tossed in for the veracity of my assumptions.

Dog stated a few days ago that the team of dogs he hired are sniffing for "adrenaline" that comes from one being on high alert while in a (constant) state of higher vigilance.

BL allegedly flew home to clean out storage on Aug 17, five days after the Aug 12 Moab incident, and back to Utah on the 23rd where Gabby checked out of the SLC Fairfield Inn near the airport on Aug 24. If this is confirmed, she was murdered just a couple of days later. So, did BL fly back to Utah in order to murder Gabby? And, in order to steal her bank cards?

Gabby Petito's Utah hotel, where she was last seen publicly, was 2 blocks from FBI field office: report

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Campsite planning app offers new clues in case of missing woman Gabby Petito

"Petito and her fiance were in Moab around the time of Aug. 12, the same day Petito posted images to Instagram of herself in Arches National Park. Moab police also responded to a “domestic problem” that day involving the couple that was later categorized as a disorderly conduct incident, records show.
No one was charged in relation to the incident, which was reported outside of Moonflower Community Cooperative in Moab, where Schulte worked."
Authorities rule out link between Gabby Petito case, couple killed in Moab

There is a specific reason for him traveling to FL on the 17th and returning to kill Gabby. I agree with John Walsh in that he beat her, stragled her and possibly stomped on her face because she would not stop talking. Did she know anything about the couples' murders and he feared she may tell on him?

With a clear conscious, I will unequivocally state, Gabby's murder was premeditated. He very well may be a serial killer. JMHOO

He's done several things that I feel were planned well in advance, including what he's doing at this very moment. Other than killing a precious human, his name is now known worldwide just as Chris Watts and Ted Bundy's are. I believe he quite enjoys his notorious claim to fame.

Sociopaths are like that in that they adore attention whether it's good or bad attention. He's playing Catch Me If You Can. The FBI got egg on their face when Dog tracked the Laundries to the campground 75 miles N of their home. Again, jmhoo.

He'll be a fugitive for a while because he planned this part, too.

Since the Big Lie told by CL on GMA has been revealed by Brian Entin, it further shows the Laudries possess a lack of respect for typical ethical behavior most of us live by.

#JusticeForGabby

Erm...if he planned it all this far ahead, why drive to FL? Why not have purchased plane tickets to multiple remote locations worldwide, taken one of them and gone from there? I've spent time in South America. In one country I flew in a local plane from a fair-sized town to a river port, then took a long boat 8 hours up the river to an eco-camp with no electricity other than a solar-powered light that was on in the food space for 1-2 hours/night. From there took another boat further up the river and camped between the river and the jungle. In another country, after taking a boat in the ocean from country a to country b, I then took a series of busses and boats and trains back into country a to arrive at my destination (a very nice resort town, not exactly hard living, even if outside). I stayed there at a high-end resort, but there were countless other options. And a lot of them don't require much in the way of internationally-reported ID checking. I mean - if you're going to be a master premeditated murderer, would you not be a little more clever than showing up to mom & dad's house a couple days after the last time you were in a public place with the person you murdered?

Really, seems to me that if you were plotting something out in advance, you'd either try to make it so you "disappeared" in the world, or you'd try to protect your life at home enough to keep living it.

 

[Barbie619]

Yes, the second set of videos reinforces Gabby saying herself that she started and continued the physical stuff.

Brian tried to minimize this, but Gabby just said it, straight out. Reinforced her hitting him a few times, including calling him names.

He did as well and also said so.

Their recollection of events mostly aligned. Way more often than not. And I don't think they had time to craft a narrative. I mean she stated clearly that he hit the curb because she was hitting him, and used punching motions while she described this and said she was calling him an idiot.

My opinion and observations only!

He stated he hit the curb because Gabby grabbed the wheel, he actually said it a few times, just drive home his point that it couldn't be his own fault.

 

[ShadyLady]

P.S.

There has been no disclosure of anything having to do with cause of death - coroner says it's waiting to complete the report; typically a full toxicology panel is run on every homicide victim, and sometimes follow-up labs are needed...it can easily be a month...and it can be kept sealed during an investigation).

(In case no one else has answered).

That's what we're waiting for as the next big news in this case (except for the capture of BL, if that ever happens).

Problem is LE might decide to keep cause of death details for trial. I wish they would disclose...but fear they wont. And if Brian is never found, dead or alive, will we ever know the details??

 

[kittythehare]

Do you have a source that shows they have been unwilling to cooperate with the FBI? Super curious. I may have missed this, and given the theories out there, if it has been stated that they are, in FACT, not cooperating...I would like to read that statement.

https://twitter.com/NPPDPoliceChief/status/1438242034775732236?s=20

 

[Nikynoo]

Maybe to not chase him farther off the beaten path.

Ha! He has the FBI, LE and Bounty Hunters on his tail! I think the point I was trying to make was, the amount of resource used to find him - it does not matter what the charge is.

 

[Purplepixii]

Blimey, all 4 of Gabby’s parents are pounding Twitter at the moment. Wonder what *just* prompted this?

 

[Sassafrass]

The coroner ruled HOMOCIDE the day after she was found. Investigators do not care what he has to say IMHO. She did not homocide herself.

Homicide includes anything from premeditated murder to involuntary manslaughter and more. That is a VAST distinction, legally speaking.

 

[WizardQuest]

Yes, I get all of this - but why not just come straight out with it and issue an arrest warrant for murder? I get that this maybe some sort of 'strategy' - but either they have the evidence that points to B as the killer, or they don't. And seeing as B is still a POI and the only arrest warrant is for fraud, I am guessing they are missing a piece of the jigsaw.

I am sure some savvy defence attorney would come up with a way to play this manhunt for fraud charges as prejudicial in any forthcoming murder trial. Or is that not a thing in the US?

Death Penalty would then possibly be on the table.

Some countries do not extradite if death penalty is on the table: example: Mexico, Canada.

He flees to those countries with death penalty on the table for his alleged crimes, the USA will not get him.

 

[PommyMommy]

Re-posting from the last thread:

State Attorney for Palm Beach on why Brian Laundrie hasn't been charged

 

[Sleuthypsych]

Erm...if he planned it all this far ahead, why drive to FL? Why not have purchased plane tickets to multiple remote locations worldwide, taken one of them and gone from there? I've spent time in South America. In one country I flew in a local plane from a fair-sized town to a river port, then took a long boat 8 hours up the river to an eco-camp with no electricity other than a solar-powered light that was on in the food space for 1-2 hours/night. From there took another boat further up the river and camped between the river and the jungle. In another country, after taking a boat in the ocean from country a to country b, I then took a series of busses and boats and trains back into country a to arrive at my destination (a very nice resort town, not exactly hard living, even if outside). I stayed there at a high-end resort, but there were countless other options. And a lot of them don't require much in the way of internationally-reported ID checking. I mean - if you're going to be a master premeditated murderer, would you not be a little more clever than showing up to mom & dad's house a couple days after the last time you were in a public place with the person you murdered?

Really, seems to me that if you were plotting something out in advance, you'd either try to make it so you "disappeared" in the world, or you'd try to protect your life at home enough to keep living it.

Traveling requires money. They couldn’t even afford a hotel in Moab. Also, COVID restrictions limit some travel. Anywhere he flew would require a passport. He also would be unlikely to know other countries well enough to hide out and survive, again money. He knows national parks like the back of his hand. Lastly, I would think getting a legit looking fake passport would be challenging otherwise the feds would know exactly where he went. Based on his social media accounts he did not appear to be an international traveler. Most criminals hang within their comfort level.

 

[nocommoncents]

Blimey, all 4 of Gabby’s parents are pounding Twitter at the moment. Wonder what *just* prompted this?

I wonder if they were asked to? People have been so responsive to them. I cried when they used that to shine light on other cases. What a class act!

 

[woods]

Isn’t it odd that two different people who allegedly picked up Brian on the 29th didn’t notice significant injuries on him or saw him limp in any way? I think it will be hard to come up with the self-defense argument if he didn’t appear to be visibly hurt and in pain, just based on the two eye witness accounts.