Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #52

[LRinCA]

Take a moment, close your eyes and envision Gabby lying dead and BL rifling through her purse looking for cash and credit cards.
Take a moment, close your eyes and envision Gabby lying dead and BL hitchhiking back to the van, sticking her key in the ignition, taking off and leaving her to decompose out in the open.
THAT is the kind of mind we're dealing with.
All of the media reports are starting to bury the lead. There's a possible murderer out and about. One who can keep it cool, play with little boys and wolf down smores while the autopsied, deteriorated remains of the love of his life lie in a morgue. He's not in the Laundrie homestead's attic, so he's among us. That sobering thought should sharpen the focus of our collective vision.
Dates, times, speculation, lies, truths are for a later time.
This guy is on the road.

In one of his Instagram stories he refers to working on "my van." I think he thought that everything that was hers was his. My mother used to say the following about my ex - "he thinks everything that's yours is his and everything that's his is his." I wonder if he thought of her as one of his possessions as well. MOO.

 

[ringbearer]

Is there anyone here that is interested in or hopes that Brian is found to be innocent of Gabby's death?

Isn't that the best outcome for HER and her decisions, that we are aware of? The most respectful result?

I know it looks grim and is hard to imagine given the information that has carefully been shared with us, for sure.

But if we as a group had the ability to choose, would we prefer her fiance/boyfriend or a stranger, (or group of strangers)? And why?

It is odd that Brian hasn't been charged. I understand the tactic, but why no big blast about being dangerous to others?

Is there any precedent for someone suspected of murder to be categorized as a missing person, wanted only on debit card fraud? (Or something similar?)

It is rare, in this forum, for anyone to mention the possibility of Brian's innocence. And I absolutely understand that even though he is presumed innocent by law, that is not applicable here. The actions just don't mesh with guilt TO ME. Too weird. All of it!!! I am happy to eat my words if I am wrong. So want some answers. MOO MOO!

I posted about the story I think he told his parents. And I won't totally make up my mind about whether it's a story or not until much later, if ever. But if I'm right about what his story was, I'll be a step closer to believing it or not when we find out the cause of death. But that's the way I am in most cases where there's no literal smoking gun or a confession. Just my nature to not go full bore one way or the other without knowing all of the details. jmo

 

[TGIRecovered]

Actually yes. That’s his right arm. I wonder if he was in front of her or behind & if Gabby was right or left handed?

I had a van when my kids were little, and I always had bruises on my arm. My hands were full of baby seat, groceries, diaper bag, fast food when I got out and the doors would inevitably be blown shut on my arm by the wind, or from parking on a slope.
If Gabby was killed or incapacitated inside the van Brian could well have banged up his arm as he carried her out. Those two round bruises below his elbow could be from the door latch. MOO

 

[flashy09]

I see it a bit differently, which is not to say, wrong or rightly.......

The Brians of this world do not snap. They actually love their bad temper, it invigorates them, and they are mostly always on the lookout for an opportunity to give it a long leash, and let it out to play. For example, the incident at the TexMex place.. going back 4 or 6 times to scream and screech at the women wait staff.

He would be doing this all the time. In my opinion, he would be doing it a lot on a camping trip, out in the backblocks, no one to interrupt his howling episodes. .. And we can see, again, in the Moab clip, that Gabby was exhausted by it. ..

He'd had a temper tantrum because she wanted to work in her blog, so he began to tear her down, even her apologies were 'not in the right tone', for Brian.. because he wants to give his ego a run for the day. So he escalates, hiding her water, hanging on to the keys, locking her out, chasing her down the street, slapping her, grabbing her face...

He hasn't snapped. He is admiring himself , and jigging himself up while he does this.

Yes...but this is while he still has her. What happens when she truly decides to leave?

 

[dtowndetective411]

No. He's not making an official statement. He's answering some guys questions to the best of his knowledge. This isn't court.

Alright. I can’t remember seeing lawyers in criminal cases text all of their responses like this before. But maybe I got ahead of myself, appreciate you bringing me back down to….wherever this is! Lol.

 

[Simply Southern]

They seized the van on the 11th; the warrant on the 14th was for data on the hard drive found in the van.
North Port police urge Brian Laundrie to cooperate in Gabby Petito investigation | Daily Mail Online

The van must have evidence, as he wasted no time disappearing. Moo

I found the North Port Police Statement 9/17 for disappearance. It stated was last seen on Tues (9/12).

https://mobile.twitter.com/NorthPortPolice/status/1439067990545272833/photo/1

Would that be lead to a charge of some type?

Moo...

 

[Cinna]

I understand what you were saying, smiling laughing at what might seem inappropriate times. Sometimes that’s a stress relief sometimes it’s an absolute lifesaver during the mist of unbelievable grief and agony. That said, I don’t think you can compare the situation to one of taking the life of another person, the weight of the guilt, the fear of what that would mean for your future. I don’t see their altercation as Brian just trying to escape from her. Per the eyewitness accounts, Their viewpoint was him slapping her, Not just trying to push her off or or defend himself

At this point, I'm trying to keep an open mind toward all possibilities. It's interesting to hear different viewpoints.

Eyewitness accounts were at odds. One said he slapped her, the other said he was trying to push her away. Gabby and Brian both denied that he hit her, so I'm going with that witness.

 

[oviedo]

I fear he beat that poor little girl to death. Horrific. Jmo

Yes this is my thought unless he did have a gun…
JMO

 

[TheGardener]

It honestly scares me. I’ve said from the beginning he could be armed and dangerous. At that time I was considering a danger of desperation, like harming someone to steal their car or hide in their home or steal supplies while on an uncoordinated and amateur run from the police. I thought at that time (and still have a 50/50 belief) that he would be in a devastated mindset after with a lot of conscious regret and worry and fear and distress for what had happened.

The (now 50/50) thought that he could actually be un-empathetic, with the ability to turn off his emotions (if he has them in the first place), makes me fear he could be dangerous in a more intentional way. Harming someone else because of the high of, thus far, “getting away with it.” I don’t want to imagine this. I’d rather imagine him as having cared for Gabby and having a soul and having a lot of sadness about the situation. I want to believe that. But his actions do show a lack of remorse, in my opinion.

(Otherwise, he also could have fled the scene of the crime out of fear and was able to pull himself together enough to play-pretend in front of his family because he knew the stakes were too high. Pretend nothing happened and maybe it won’t come out. Deal with it later in life just move forward “as normal” and try to forget he did that, because he didn’t want to remember. Playing “all is good” doesn’t necessarily discount the presence of negative emotions.).

Regardless, his driving cross-country by himself, remembering her credit card PIN, and vacationing with family and with children with his sister thinking things were “normal” ALL show a level of mental competency. I think that will play against any mental/insanity defense.

And, as you said, him taking her things and leaving her behind, and then acting good and fine after, shows lack of remorse.

And running shows consciousness of guilt.

If Brian is eventually charged and tried for this crime, his manyyy post-crime actions will be used heavily against him.

If he isn’t found and charged / tried, I worry what he could do next.

We simply don’t know if he is sociopathic or if he handles emotions regularly. I hope the latter…..but I fear for the safety of other women in his path if he continues to escape the law. For some people, there is a high that comes with that, and, grossly and unfortunately, with murder.

IMO

THIS!!!! Tamp down a little bit on these ever changing factoids leaking out from sources that shift gears with the wind. There's a seriously disturbed person on the run. Anyone south of the Mason Dixon should be warning their daughters about the cool guy that talks tree hugging, disdain of the human race and is looking for a convert to van life. Hell, it worked once.

 

[jjonez]

It's a screen cap from ABC interview with Cassie. She shared three photos from their Ft DeSoto outing. The link is below the pic.

abc showed 3 pics, plus many others. But they only stated that the pic of BL with the tshirt on his head was taken at FDS.

mOO

 

[meatandcookies]

I checked BE's twitter and Mustang was missing on 14th, but back by the 15th, no 13th vid from him that I could find.

BE said on his stream this afternoon that the first day he was at the house was the 14th. https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1445490291373342726?s=21

 

[Lizziebo]

Finally found a source (DM though) ...

Sept. 11: Schmidt reports Petito missing to authorities in New York; Petito and Laundrie's van was impounded by police in Florida that same day

911 call is released of hiker, 53, who had 'no doubt' he was stopped in his car by Brian Laundrie | Daily Mail Online

Many. But we are not allowed to sleuth outside of POI or Gabby so I must behave myself. I have said before that Gabby being involved in at least the Bumble app instantly makes her a target for predators. The vanlife is also rife with some creeps along the way, easy to get caught up with during camp times....my own personal experience here as a hard core introvert, still ended up in, well, interesting situations and groups.

I don't believe she was left alone when Brian went home for the "storage" trip. So who was there as "acting as a support system"? And no, it wasn't just her dad on video call for 5 days. No way. So who? We don't know and can't sleuth publicly here outside the guidelines.

<modsnip>

All weird, stays weird...we just don't have enough pieces. And maybe we shouldn't. Cassie said, the world does NOT need to know what the FBI knows. Why? Who is being protected by the FBI or by not releasing some additional information? I can guess. It isn't Brian or his family, they have been beaten every which way and sideways. Maybe rightfully so, maybe not. I do NOT know. Thank you for asking me. Sigh.

All of this is my crazy opinion ONLY!

I know you know. Chances are that DV victims are murdered by their partners. What is really telling is that neither of the parents - Brian's or Gabby's - thought they were having issues. This is really telling. In the dashcam, Gabby told police officers she was on the phone to her mum - was she? What was she telling them? If my child rang me, I'd be there like a shot. Who was Gabby on the phone to if not her parents?

 

[Trooper]

I would love to know if he has a history of harming animals and fire setting. Jmo

and if he was a bedwetter, up until a late age, around 9 or 10..

I got 50 AU dollars that says he was...

 

[flashy09]

Yes this is my thought unless he did have a gun…
JMO

I feel like he grabbed her and threw her down or "jerked" her back and forth against a tree.

 

[Claire182]

Spot on. I totally agree. Said it before, I think he fantasized about murdering her for a long time. Jmo

I posted this article a few threads ago. It’s interesting and shows what an escalation is like. Domestic abuse: Killers 'follow eight-stage pattern', study says

 

[JudgeJoe]

I posted this way back in a previous thread:

"...The outside of her right arm looks like finger marks vs thumb marks. He could have been facing her and grabbed her right arm with his left hand or he could have approached her from behind and grabbed her right arm with his right hand. Either way would place finger marks on the outside of her arm.I haven't watched any of the videos with him in it. It might be apparent whether he is left or right handed based on how he picks things up or holds objects."

Then someone posted a photo of him eating out of a bowl holding the eating utensil with his right hand...

Yes but my post was in response to the pic of Brian- with bruising on HIS arm- as in injuries he got murdering GB. Pics posted upthread, released by Cassie from Sept 6 fam gathering at Ft DeSoto.

 

[MsBetsy]

Father labels Brian Laundrie and his parents ‘cowards’ in new interview
Bevan Hurley
In New York
3 hours ago

From left to right: step-mother Tara Petito, father Joe Petito, step-father James Schmidt, mother Nicole Schimdit (CBS)

Gabby Petito’s father has slammed Brian Laundrie and his family as “cowards” in a new interview with Dr Phil.

Joseph Petito revealed he doesn’t think Mr Laundrie has killed himself as he lacked the courage to do so.

“Anyone who lived in that house is a coward,” Mr Petito said, referring to the home in North Port, Florida where Brian’s parents Christopher and Roberta live.

“They don’t know how to stand up for their actions.”

Joseph Petito again called on Mr Laundrie’s parents Chris and Roberta to come forward with what they know.

The family spoke about the excruciating days they spent trying to contact the Laundrie family for news of their daughter after she stopped communicating with them in late August.

Nichole Schmidt said it was “infuriating” that her text messages and calls to Mr Laundrie and his mother Roberta were ignored.

“We actually thought that they were both missing at that time,” Joseph Petito said.

James Schmidt, Gabby’s stepfather, and mother Nichole Schmidt (CBS)

In one of the text messages, Mr Petito told the Laundries: “I’m going to call the police, just letting you know, because we have no idea.”

“A normal parent when you text someone that (you) are going to call the cops because you can’t find your child, they would reply. No response. Nothing,” he said.

Mr Petito questioned what the Laundrie motives could have been for not helping to find their son.

“We couldn’t find Gabby. We did anything to find Gabby. What did they do to find Brian? I haven’t seen them on any TV shows... find Brian. Why do you think that is.”

Dr Phil responded to say there were two explanations: either Mr Laundrie was dead or his parents didn’t want him found.

Asked if they knew how his daughter had died, Mr Petito told Dr Phil it wasn’t helpful for him to “go down that rabbit hole”.

Mr Petito said her daughter was a responsible adult and had been preparing for the trip with Mr Laundrie for 18 months.

“This is not a 14 year old girl going on a school trip here. So we respected her decisions. All of us tried to best prepare her. She knew what she was doing.”

He said his priority was for something meaningful to come from his daughter’s death.

“She’s gone, and to me, I need to find meaning behind it,” he said.

“I’ve got to find some good, some positive things to come from this.”

Jim Schmidt, who identified Ms Petito from a favourite piece of clothing, said the past few weeks had been like “living in a bad soap opera”.

“You don’t think things like this would happen in real life. It’s unfathomable, it really is. It makes no sense.”

The parents were in agreement that Mr Laundrie was likely alive and living off the land somewhere.

“Somewhere off the beaten path somewhere, just thinking he’s not gonna get caught,” said Mr Schmidt.

Ms Petito’s mother Nicole Schmidt agreed.

“I believe he bragged about that, like he’s good at that stuff.”

Ms Schmidt said she knew who the last person to see her daughter alive was.

“I’m angry,” she said.

I bet it was right after they got the text about calling police that they called their attorney.

 

[Okiruy]

Father labels Brian Laundrie and his parents ‘cowards’ in new interview
Bevan Hurley
In New York
3 hours ago

From left to right: step-mother Tara Petito, father Joe Petito, step-father James Schmidt, mother Nicole Schimdit (CBS)

Gabby Petito’s father has slammed Brian Laundrie and his family as “cowards” in a new interview with Dr Phil.

Joseph Petito revealed he doesn’t think Mr Laundrie has killed himself as he lacked the courage to do so.

“Anyone who lived in that house is a coward,” Mr Petito said, referring to the home in North Port, Florida where Brian’s parents Christopher and Roberta live.

“They don’t know how to stand up for their actions.”

Joseph Petito again called on Mr Laundrie’s parents Chris and Roberta to come forward with what they know.

The family spoke about the excruciating days they spent trying to contact the Laundrie family for news of their daughter after she stopped communicating with them in late August.

Nichole Schmidt said it was “infuriating” that her text messages and calls to Mr Laundrie and his mother Roberta were ignored.

“We actually thought that they were both missing at that time,” Joseph Petito said.

James Schmidt, Gabby’s stepfather, and mother Nichole Schmidt (CBS)

In one of the text messages, Mr Petito told the Laundries: “I’m going to call the police, just letting you know, because we have no idea.”

“A normal parent when you text someone that (you) are going to call the cops because you can’t find your child, they would reply. No response. Nothing,” he said.

Mr Petito questioned what the Laundrie motives could have been for not helping to find their son.

“We couldn’t find Gabby. We did anything to find Gabby. What did they do to find Brian? I haven’t seen them on any TV shows... find Brian. Why do you think that is.”

Dr Phil responded to say there were two explanations: either Mr Laundrie was dead or his parents didn’t want him found.

Asked if they knew how his daughter had died, Mr Petito told Dr Phil it wasn’t helpful for him to “go down that rabbit hole”.

Mr Petito said her daughter was a responsible adult and had been preparing for the trip with Mr Laundrie for 18 months.

“This is not a 14 year old girl going on a school trip here. So we respected her decisions. All of us tried to best prepare her. She knew what she was doing.”

He said his priority was for something meaningful to come from his daughter’s death.

“She’s gone, and to me, I need to find meaning behind it,” he said.

“I’ve got to find some good, some positive things to come from this.”

Jim Schmidt, who identified Ms Petito from a favourite piece of clothing, said the past few weeks had been like “living in a bad soap opera”.

“You don’t think things like this would happen in real life. It’s unfathomable, it really is. It makes no sense.”

The parents were in agreement that Mr Laundrie was likely alive and living off the land somewhere.

“Somewhere off the beaten path somewhere, just thinking he’s not gonna get caught,” said Mr Schmidt.

Ms Petito’s mother Nicole Schmidt agreed.

“I believe he bragged about that, like he’s good at that stuff.”

Ms Schmidt said she knew who the last person to see her daughter alive was.

“I’m angry,” she said.

A lot of people are angry. A lot of people don’t understand the Laundrie family’s actions because most people have morals, they have compassion, they genuinely care when someone asks for help.
The Laundries didn’t respond from day one because they had something to hide. It’s that simple. They were hiding things then and they are hiding things now. And that is the reason they are not talking.

 

[dtowndetective411]

It honestly scares me. I’ve said from the beginning he could be armed and dangerous. At that time I was considering a danger of desperation, like harming someone to steal their car or hide in their home or steal supplies while on an uncoordinated and amateur run from the police. I thought at that time (and still have a 50/50 belief) that he would be in a devastated mindset after with a lot of conscious regret and worry and fear and distress for what had happened.

The (now 50/50) thought that he could actually be un-empathetic, with the ability to turn off his emotions (if he has them in the first place), makes me fear he could be dangerous in a more intentional way. Harming someone else because of the high of, thus far, “getting away with it.” I don’t want to imagine this. I’d rather imagine him as having cared for Gabby and having a soul and having a lot of sadness about the situation. I want to believe that. But his actions do show a lack of remorse, in my opinion.

(Otherwise, he also could have fled the scene of the crime out of fear and was able to pull himself together enough to play-pretend in front of his family because he knew the stakes were too high. Pretend nothing happened and maybe it won’t come out. Deal with it later in life just move forward “as normal” and try to forget he did that, because he didn’t want to remember. Playing “all is good” doesn’t necessarily discount the presence of negative emotions.).

Regardless, his driving cross-country by himself, remembering her credit card PIN, and vacationing with family and with children with his sister thinking things were “normal” ALL show a level of mental competency. I think that will play against any mental/insanity defense.

And, as you said, him taking her things and leaving her behind, and then acting good and fine after, shows lack of remorse.

And running shows consciousness of guilt.

If Brian is eventually charged and tried for this crime, his manyyy post-crime actions will be used heavily against him.

If he isn’t found and charged / tried, I worry what he could do next.

We simply don’t know if he is sociopathic or if he handles emotions regularly. I hope the latter…..but I fear for the safety of other women in his path if he continues to escape the law. For some people, there is a high that comes with that, and, grossly and unfortunately, with murder.

IMO

ETA: Even if he did have normal-enough emotions previously, life as he knew it is *over* now. And with that comes the person he knew of himself could be *gone* too. The more you hear about yourself in the media as America’s Most Wanted Fugitive, the more you maybe start to play the role. To identify with it. To wonder what else you can do. To have nothing to lose, if you’re careful enough. To have nothing else to do except think about how to continue getting away, and about getting away with future crimes as well. This type of situation can change a person, night and day. If he already had it in him before, I worry the chase could exacerbate that.

 

[oviedo]

Alright. I can’t remember seeing lawyers in criminal cases text all of their responses like this before. But maybe I got ahead of myself, appreciate you bringing me back down to….wherever this is! Lol.

That’s because they don’t - I’ve never seen this behavior before and I spoke to a couple of lawyers today and I will be watching what happens to this particular lawyer over the next few weeks - he’s digging a big old hole IMO and it’s all on the record - I’m thinking this is his shot at some publicity and he doesn’t know when to quit - and I love it ! Keep talking Mr. NY
JMO