Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #56

[LinasK]

Unless GP had been drinking or some other mind altering substance. Or possibly in a semi-conscious state for other reasons.

Or using it as a code word to try to warn her mother that she was in danger.

 

[Jurisprudence]

If I were he, 23 years old and possibly looking at 60+ years in prison... I honestly think I'd prefer the death penalty.


I think we should all consider it fortunate that there are defense attorneys out there willing to work even for those whom society has already declared guilty long before they ever reach a courtroom.



What's the point of a trial, then? Like, seriously, what is the point? He might as well die in the swamps, or be hung from a tree by a mob.


Crocs are far scarier than gators. Crocs will actually attack humans unprovoked, which I don't think gators generally do.

Thankfully, I don't think crocs are native to this continent. But it's been a while since I brushed up on my croc knowledge.

Interesting thought, which leads me to ask another hypothetical question. So, if I'm 23 and prefer the death penalty, who pushed me to flee?

Just a hypothetical thought MOO based upon your very valid observation that could be a real possibility. MOO IMO.

 

[borndem]

I’ll add that because of gabby I spoke to my daughter about a safe word that we now have and that I had never thought of before, if she’s ever in trouble she now knows to text me our word and I’ll track her on life 360 and call the police. All because of gabby.

Smart and loving move, mom. It's a great idea, and I'm willing to bet that use of the safe-word has already saved someone's life, or a kidnapping, or other horrors.
Gabby now lives in your life and in your daughter's as well, doesn't she? How proud she would be.

 

[Trooper]

Maybe....

IF Brian knew what happened and didn't think or was under the impression that Gabby left with someone else or others, it makes sense that he wouldn't have a clue to contact authorities.

Someone sent a text to mom on the 30th. That same someone could have texted a story to Brian, too. We just don't know. If Brian did know, (which WE don't know) it is very hard to justify his actions. Very hard. Too many unknowns. MOO!!!

This would make Brian the most unluckiest person in the entire USA. Maybe in the Northern Hemisphere. Here he goes, poor Brian, off on a trip with his girlfriend.... at some stage in this adventure, Brian starts to publicly make a rabid, ridiculous fool of himself, slapping Gabby, locking Gabby out of the van, chasing her down the street, so bad a stranger called the cops on him.

Then, you wouldn't believe the bad luck, he loses his temper again in public at a restaurant, screaming and lunging at the women staff, going in and out to scream and screech 6 times... seen by people in the restaurant..

and a matter of hours after that, and we have to imagine this bit. .. this is where his unlucky really ramps up, a casual killer is roaming, right at their campsite, and chooses Gabby, and murders her right there in front of Brian, because it's near where the van was parked, so Brian, silly silly boy, knowing Gabby is dead, nothing he can do about it , decides to give the stranger killer a pass , and steal Gabby's bankcard and van and go home to mumanddad!....

WHO.... now stay with me here, we are nearly done..., WHO LOSE BRIAN!....

I couldn't make this stuff up. Even me.

 

[ringbearer]

True, but I just watched a case on TV last night where the Innocence Project actually got it wrong- Todd Willingham confessed to his ex-wife that he murdered their daughters to hurt her, right before they executed him. The Innocence Project was defending him.

Thanks for that info. I'd read quite a lot about that case some time ago, and had never heard that before. Personally, I'd be skeptical of what his ex-wife said he said, too. But that was a puzzler for sure.

 

[Hyway]

I have reason to believe he returned home from the Fort Desoto trip. I strongly believe the FBI have surveillance footage of BL at some store or places he went to after the returning on the 7th. Which is why they didn't even ask for the Fort Desoto camera footage. Why would they if they already confirmed him somewhere else after the 7th? I think whatever the parents told them about Brian's whereabouts all matched that's why they believe he is in/around the reserve. MOO

Agreed, thats why the immortal words, "We know where he is" were spoken.

 

[LinasK]

Thanks for that info. I'd read quite a lot about that case some time ago, and had never heard that before. Personally, I'd be skeptical of what his ex-wife said he said, too. But that was a puzzler for sure.

She has no more reason to lie about it, he's dead. She did however, defend him on the stand, which I chalk it to being an abused woman.

 

[Jurisprudence]

BE says Joe Petito coming up on Banfield.
https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1446269411061600258

 

[EvieIvyOver]

Or using it as a code word to try to warn her mother that she was in danger.

I'm not getting why a code word would be needed in this case. Can you elaborate?

 

[CharlestonGal]

Has it been established? that she was indeed dead before that text? I apologize I haven't seen that or can't recall.

No. There is no official time of death or cause of death at this time. It's all speculation.

 

[Kapua]

If Brian is alive, he has managed to avoid some smart professional trackers and what probably is by now some very irritated police..

And he must have got those smarts while driving home to Florida because he was stupid enough, truly deeply stupid enough to leave Gabby's body to be discovered, which meant her manner of death, and most likely her cause of death can be ascertained. ....

He's not that smart. He had a good head start, and he found a good place to hide. If he is still alive, I am 99% sure that he will eventually be caught. And I am never 100% sure of anything. MOO

 

[tiara1972]

This would make Brian the most unluckiest person in the entire USA. Maybe in the Northern Hemisphere. Here he goes, poor Brian, off on a trip with his girlfriend.... at some stage in this adventure, Brian starts to publicly make a rabid, ridiculous fool of himself, slapping Gabby, locking Gabby out of the van, chasing her down the street, so bad a stranger called the cops on him.

Then, you wouldn't believe the bad luck, he loses his temper again in public at a restaurant, screaming and lunging at the women staff, going in and out to scream and screech 6 times... seen by people in the restaurant..

and a matter of hours after that, and we have to imagine this bit. .. this is where his unlucky really ramps up, a casual killer is roaming, right at their campsite, and chooses Gabby, and murders her right there in front of Brian, because it's near where the van was parked, so Brian, silly silly boy, knowing Gabby is dead, nothing he can do about it , decides to give the stranger killer a pass , and steal Gabby's bankcard and van and go home to mumanddad!....

WHO.... now stay with me here, we are nearly done..., WHO LOSE BRIAN!....

I couldn't make this stuff up. Even me.

Or they just met up with some folks along the way, which is incredibly normal when travelling cross country and ended up in a bad situation. It isn't nearly as dramatic as your story, but it IS possible. MOO!

 

[putnam6]

Gabby's mother received that text on Aug. 30th. The bank fraud charge was also on Aug. 30th. It's not hard to connect the dots.

I hear ya, my friend

But that's just circumstantial is it not, and I'm not so sure they can tie down the specific time of death, for instance, what if we find out Gabby was indeed alive on the 1st?

Obviously spitballing here.

MOO IMHO

The investigators and prosecutors will have to close as many of those loopholes to be 100% certain.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Does anyone know if the parents talked about cash withdrawals from Gabby's account? Or, is there any evidence that there were cash withdrawals in addition to charges to get home?
I have always wondered if this $ is $ he has with him on the run (in other words, if his run was pre-planned). MOO. IMO. Not fact.

 

[CharlestonGal]

thank you I finally saw it
man, people are eagle-eyed

Don't feel alone. I had to pull it up on my 4K Ultra HD TV to see it the first time around!

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Or they just met up with some folks along the way, which is incredibly normal when travelling cross country and ended up in a bad situation. It isn't nearly as dramatic as your story, but it IS possible. MOO!

But is it probable? We have eye witness and camera footage sightings around 26th, 27th, and the 29th. None of which included other people being seen in the presence of either Gabby, Brian or the van.

 

[Warwick7]

Why would LE conduct a million dollar manhunt for someone who committed a 1000.00 crime? They would not. This is a manhunt for a killer.

@SuzieQ Bam!!!

 

[Mom24]

I'm not getting why a code word would be needed in this case. Can you elaborate?

Or using it as a code word to try to warn her mother that she was in danger.

Guys, I think we were warned not to go down this path again?

 

[ginx]

I have been following this case since the beginning, but have never weighed in until now.

From the first day this broke open, the entire case has just been ODD. There are just so many things that don't make sense. Specifically, the actions taken by BL and the subsequently seemingly strange behaviors of RL and CL. I am happy to see a number of theories surfacing in which BL might be innocent. Do I think he's innocent? Likely not...Occam's razor and all that. And yet, the possibility is there as none of us really KNOW anything beyond the scant (and ever-changing) facts available in the MSM, so if everything in theory and conjecture, then we should consider all of the possibilities.

Some of the oddest facts actually make more sense in the context of BL's innocence. For instance, if they had set up camp on the 27th and then had an argument or something and BL decided to take off on a solo hike, then he would likely take only a tarp since the tent was already set up for GP. So that would make sense that maybe he was off doing his own thing and that maybe someone else came along with nefarious intent.

Assuming he returns and finds no sign of her...waits around for a day or so and she doesn't come back...or maybe even happens upon her body and assumes he will be the prime suspect, he then decides to take the van and go home. Is that what most any of us would do in similar circumstances? I don't think so, and yet, none of us really KNOW what we will do in any given situation until we are faced with it. I'll spare the personal examples, but I know this to be true and I expect many others here do, as well.

The DeSoto camping trip also makes more sense if you assume the parents didn't have any clue what had really happened until after her family reported her missing and the police got involved. It also makes more sense if BL didn't know what had actually happened to GP. Of course, he could have been in denial or he could have been thinking he was getting away with it and gloating, but I think MOST people who had just committed a murder (specifically an unplanned one, which would make the most sense also given the other facts) would be doing anything but going on family camping trips. Then again, acting normal is probably one of the best ways to cover, and if her discovery would have taken a little longer...

But again, then it doesn't make sense to take the van. He was willing to hitchhike, so why not hitchhike home or to an airport or bus station? It would have been easy to do so and then claim later that they had argued and decided to go their separate ways and that he had left. It would be very hard to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he was the perpetrator.

I mean, honestly, if he did kill GP, then every action he took afterwards makes no sense whatsoever. If he didn't then it does make sense that he might have started freaking out about going towards...say...Jackson, and change his mind and want to go back to check on her. He could have started feeling guilty about leaving her alone in the wilderness and decided to go back. And then we come back in a circle to how one should react in such a situation when they've returned and can find no sign of their former beloved.

And then there's the Carlon Reserve:

What if BL never went to the Carlton Reserve in the first place?
Prove it right, or prove it wrong.

If you're going to head out, on foot, to elude authorities, why would you drive your car to a place that would give them a starting point? Especially considering that as the crow flies, the reserve is only about 4 miles from the house. If you're about to spend unknown numbers of days living off the land and hoofing it to do so, why wouldn't you just walk into the reserve? You wouldn't have to go all the way to the main parking lot to go in, either.

You might have to cross a canal or two, but it wouldn't be impossible. If you're braving the elements in Florida, then you should have the wherewithal to get across a canal. I'd much rather chance a gator than live out there with the bugs. Gah! I lived in North Port and Port Charlotte long ago and while it has changed and grown a lot since I was there, I'm willing to bet the bugs haven't changed.

I've just typed up many of the factors I think could point to his innocence, and which make the available facts seem to better fit the puzzle; yet, I think the likeliest scenario is that he did it and ran, and the Mustang was a false flag designed to extend his already considerable head start. Whether his parents are complicit or not, I can't speculate, but I feel fairly confident they had no idea of the true picture until the 10th or 11th, and probably not even really until after GP was discovered.

 

[LinasK]

Guys, I think we were warned not to go down this path again?

No, this is referring to using a code word when you are in danger. I have done the exact same thing with my daughter in elementary or middle school should a stranger ever try to abduct her. When I got married, I abandoned my middle name, which I hate, in favor of my maiden name, so few people know my middle name. That's our code word.