Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #57

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  • #801
Question Bc I’m surely no gator expert haha. Do you think if a gator got him, that there wouldn’t be some trace of him? A backpack, etc. that the gator was like nah bro that doesn’t seem like it’d be that good? Lol.
I'm no gator expert either but it does seem unlikely. So I'll give it another go...

He went out hiking and planned to return in a few days. In the meantime, they found Gabby. Someone went vigilante, killed Brian and disposed of any evidence.

Who knew he was out there?
 
  • #802
Another day, no Brian.. . this hunt is now longer than the Siege of Dubrovnik......

No sighting of Brian, ....no buzzards circling, no bits and pieces washing up in the rain, no local dogs dragging back a shin bone.... all these horrible things happen.

When the impossible , and the improbable, turn out to be all that's left to consider.....

Why no sighting of Brian?... experienced trackers are out looking for him ( I remove the NPPD from this category for obvious reasons ) .. If he hasn't been seen, or heard from.. then ... it's because he is in no condition to be seen, or heard.

What is he using for money, if he's on the run?.. no doubt the FBI are tracking his parents and friends bank accounts, with beady eyed concentration... is he sashaying around with a backpack full of dollar bills?.. hard to imagine.

How attention bringing is it these days in southern USA to be using cash??..

He is only 24, and not intellectually developed to a high degree, .. he could maybe cope as long as things were going smoothly, but he does have a tendency to completely lose the plot if thwarted, as has been seen, or denied, or made to wait.. I have no evidence of Brian's intrinsic patience, which a life on the edge would require....
BBM
This is well written. Thank you.
 
  • #803
Sarasota PD: ' No. Brian Laundrie is NOT in our custody.’

Oct 08

Friday, Oct 8, Sarasota Police say that any reports that Brian Laundrie is in the custody of anyone in Sarasota are absolutely untrue.

The Sarasota County Sheriff’s Office also tweeted something similar on Friday afternoon.
 
  • #804
I was VERY surprised how quickly they left. No search for weapon? Large rock with finger prints? I never saw footage of LE photographing scene. Something must have been pretty obvious to be able to leave so quickly. imo

FWIW, I keep envisioning large rock to head, MOO. Was GP's Apple watch removed?
 
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  • #805
It seems possible that it was triggered by her being reported as a missing person on the 11th (it's not clear if police came by on the 10th & 11th related to this, as there are redacted calls from those days in relation to the residence) &/or the police towing the van on the night of the 11th (I believe it was at 10 or 11pm that night). Then he was gone by the morning of the 13th. My impression is he couldn't have expected the van to be towed so quickly. JMO
Ok, so he was realizing that the ball had gotten rolling; he couldn’t just pretend they needed a break and he’d go back to get her at some point. It was now an official police investigation. Thanks.
 
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  • #806
I get the sense it had to do with the calls and texts from GO's family, and the police showing up at their door. And probably getting a lot of pressure from his parents for an explanation as to what was going on.
Yes. It really makes you wonder what he expected: that her parents and his parents would just not care? What could he have been thinking of?
 
  • #807
I just happened to be thinking:
What would have triggered BL to vanish a couple days before Gabby was found? You would think her being found would send him fleeing.

But if she hadn’t been found, and it had been nearly 3 weeks, how did he know at that point that she wouldn’t be missing for months?

Whether he acted alone or with parental help, what caused the flight before Gabby had been found?
My thought on that is when the video released of the couple that came across GP's van/camper and that sent LE/FBI looking in that area.
I think he was keeping close eye on searches and when that popped up, he knew they would start a thorough search in that area and he was right !!!
They did... and then they found her.
But he was gone by then.
IMO
Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21, MEDIA, MAPS *NO DISCUSSION* (websleuths.com)
 
  • #808
My theory is that he took off BEFORE she was found (figuring it was only a matter of time) so he could go off grid and then claim he didn't even know she had been found dead - if and when HE was found. One scenario I can see happening is him having a complete breakdown when (if found) they tell him she is dead. All part of him trying to carry through with the narrative that she went to California without him. Again, this is all my very far-fetched opinion - but one that I've thought of more than once.
Yes, I can see him maybe thinking that way. Trouble is, he didn’t come back all shocked and weeping when she was found— he stayed away, so winds up looking like a guilty fugitive from justice. Unless he meant to come back, but was killed by an alligator?
 
  • #809
Yes. It really makes you wonder what he expected: that her parents and his parents would just not care? What could he have been thinking of?
I think he sold them on a story that she flew home to NY, and he wanted nothing to do with her or her family and please, if she or any of her family call don't speak to them because she did me wrong. jmo eta That would have been blown when her dad said he was calling the cops.
 
  • #810
I know LE has countless leads, but with BL having a head-start on getting ahead of the search, I think he could be anywhere in America at this point. He could have thrown a dart at the map and gone to the town it landed on. How would LE know to track him there? If he uses a cell phone or banking system, then I’d imagine he could be tracked. But with covid, if he has money he could just sit in a motel and order delivery for everything he needs. All this to say, I’m hopeful LE has some concrete leads and I would also understand if he’s hard to find. All JMO.

Here comes my broken record again -- he still needs money for even a cheap hotel and a burger or two -- are his parents funding him? How? Names are on credit cards and bank cards. If they fronted him hundreds of dollars in cash, maybe so, but it won't last forever.
If he's still alive, he's got to eat. He can't risk stealing groceries or food for long. And a job flipping burgers or busing tables, etc., requires a SSN if it's a "real" job. Maybe a one-day laborer, paid in cash, but IMO that's still risky.
 
  • #811
I just happened to be thinking:
What would have triggered BL to vanish a couple days before Gabby was found? You would think her being found would send him fleeing.

But if she hadn’t been found, and it had been nearly 3 weeks, how did he know at that point that she wouldn’t be missing for months?

Whether he acted alone or with parental help, what caused the flight before Gabby had been found?

Oh, yes, you may be right. He knew the location would be searched. Thanks!
Didn't the bethune video come out after BL went on his "hike"?
 
  • #812
Yeah, Jim Schmidt say on Dr. P he crossed the creek with her, which explains evidence being marked by her body and again by the creek. MOO Don't know if she was alive when they crossed or if he carried her. Sad. MOO

I was chatting with a friend today. She and her husband were exploring Grand Tetons a couple of days ago, part of a national parks road trip. She said they took a tour with a small group and at one point the driver stopped and said, "this is the area where they found Gabby Petito's body." I kid you not.

It's now a stop on the tour.

MOO.
 
  • #813
Another day, no Brian.. . this hunt is now longer than the Siege of Dubrovnik......

No sighting of Brian, ....no buzzards circling, no bits and pieces washing up in the rain, no local dogs dragging back a shin bone.... all these horrible things happen.

When the impossible , and the improbable, turn out to be all that's left to consider.....

Why no sighting of Brian?... experienced trackers are out looking for him ( I remove the NPPD from this category for obvious reasons ) .. If he hasn't been seen, or heard from.. then ... it's because he is in no condition to be seen, or heard.

What is he using for money, if he's on the run?.. no doubt the FBI are tracking his parents and friends bank accounts, with beady eyed concentration... is he sashaying around with a backpack full of dollar bills?.. hard to imagine.

How attention bringing is it these days in southern USA to be using cash??..

He is only 24, and not intellectually developed to a high degree, .. he could maybe cope as long as things were going smoothly, but he does have a tendency to completely lose the plot if thwarted, as has been seen, or denied, or made to wait.. I have no evidence of Brian's intrinsic patience, which a life on the edge would require....
RBBM. Very eloquently written btw. I couldn’t tell here if you were actually asking or just making a point so I figured I’d answer either way. Haha :) I’m in Alabama & here, it’s not uncommon at all for someone to pay with cash all the time JMO.
 
  • #814
My thought on that is when the video released of the couple that came across GP's van/camper and that sent LE/FBI looking in that area.
I think he was keeping close eye on searches and when that popped up, he knew they would start a thorough search in that area and he was right !!!
They did... and then they found her.
But he was gone by then.
IMO
Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21, MEDIA, MAPS *NO DISCUSSION* (websleuths.com)
Yes, someone else pointed this out to me — you’re right, they did quickly find her. Imagine if these people hadn’t noticed the van or hadn’t been filming? Would Gabby have remained missing, perhaps for months or even years?
 
  • #815
With the van parked on the side of the road like it was in the video near where her body was found, and now knowing there were signs of a fire, a pitched tent and a makeshift grave that was made, it makes me wonder even more about the full timeline of events there from the time they pulled over, including at what point she died.
 
  • #816
What would happen if Brian Laundrie is never found?

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Chris and Roberta Laundrie leave their home in North Port, Florida

Can his parents be charged with a crime?
The only charges that have resulted from the Gabby Petito case thus far has been a bank fraud charge against Mr Laundrie for using Ms Petito's debit card after he left her in Wyoming, and, presumably, after her death.

No charges have been brought against Mr Laundrie's family, and it’s unclear whether any charges could be brought against them.

Until the warrant for Mr Laundrie's arrest was issued, the Laundrie parents would have been well within their rights to assist their son in any capacity, as he was not a wanted criminal.

If it is found that the Laundries helped their son after a warrant was issued, they could potentially face charges for aiding and abetting a fugitive. However, if they have not, then there are no currently known reasons why a prosecutor would bring charges against the parents.

Can Mr Laundrie be tried in absentia?
In the event that Mr Laundrie is not located, and if murder charges are brought against him, some have wondered if he could be tried in absentia for her death.

In the US, Rule 43 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure dictate that an individual who flees during the course of a trial can be tried and convicted in absentia.

However, Mr Laundrie has not been arrested or faced a court date, meaning he can not be tried in absentia.

The 1993 Supreme Court ruling in Crosby v United States “prohibits the trial in absentia of a defendant who is not present at the beginning of trial”.

Until Mr Laundrie is found and brought in for a trial, he cannot be tried.

Are there any fugitives who have never been caught?
Mr Laundrie is hardly the first person charged with a crime to evade capture. When compared to other fugitives who have evaded capture, Mr Laundrie has not been on the run for that long.

Seth Ferranti, who was wanted for non-violent drug trafficking charges, evaded capture for two years before he was eventually caught and convicted.

John Lee Paul, an American race car driver, was wanted for questioning in the disappearance of his ex-girlfriend and was last seen on his boat in Thailand. He has been missing 2001.

Robert William Fisher disappeared in April 2001 after his house in Scottsdale, Arizona exploded, killing his family. He was suspected of rigging a natural gas explosion to kill his family, but has never been found.

While there are dozens of fugitives who have evaded capture, perhaps the most famous is the legendary DB Cooper, who hijacked a Northwest Orient Airlines flight in 1971 and parachuted out of it somewhere over the Pacific Northwest with $200,000, about the same purchasing power as $1.3m today, that he had extorted. No trace of Mr Cooper, or his money, has ever been found.



 
  • #817
IMO, MOO, JMO, etc... I'm starting to take what the NPPD spokesman says with a little tiny grain of salt. First, they are not the lead agency. Second, he is the one who assured us CL would never be asked to help search the day before he was asked to help search. Finally, NPPD is the agency that was apparently surveiling BL when he disappeared and they might be a little defensive?

I don't think he is purposely putting out false info. I just think maybe the FBI is not sharing all they know with NPPD.

Or maybe I'm just a hopeless optimist that the FBI has compelling evidence that BL will be found at the reserve.

there is an interview with the NPPD where they keep saying that they are doing their due diligence.... it is such a legal term, I think that they were given orders, IMO.

North Port Police say search for Brian Laundrie at Carlton ...
https://www.fox4now.com › news › local-news › north-...

Sep 27, 2021 — "We are doing our due diligence to find Brian in an area that intelligence had led us that he could possibly be." Crews are focusing on the ...
 
  • #818
Another day, no Brian.. . this hunt is now longer than the Siege of Dubrovnik......

No sighting of Brian, ....no buzzards circling, no bits and pieces washing up in the rain, no local dogs dragging back a shin bone.... all these horrible things happen.

When the impossible , and the improbable, turn out to be all that's left to consider.....

Why no sighting of Brian?... experienced trackers are out looking for him ( I remove the NPPD from this category for obvious reasons ) .. If he hasn't been seen, or heard from.. then ... it's because he is in no condition to be seen, or heard.

What is he using for money, if he's on the run?.. no doubt the FBI are tracking his parents and friends bank accounts, with beady eyed concentration... is he sashaying around with a backpack full of dollar bills?.. hard to imagine.

How attention bringing is it these days in southern USA to be using cash??..

He is only 24, and not intellectually developed to a high degree, .. he could maybe cope as long as things were going smoothly, but he does have a tendency to completely lose the plot if thwarted, as has been seen, or denied, or made to wait.. I have no evidence of Brian's intrinsic patience, which a life on the edge would require....
This is partly why I think BL is no longer alive. One would think the feds are looking at financial records to see if anyone has any unexpected payouts for something recently; I could be wrong though. MOO
I don't see him as a survivalist either, living off the land isn't a BL trait IMO.
 
  • #819
Ok, so he was realizing that the ball had gotten rolling; he couldn’t just pretend they needed a break and he’d go back to get her at some point. It was now an official police investigation. Thanks.
That's what I'm thinking... that he would have expected her to ultimately be reported missing, but he may have thought they'd focus on that area in WY/Yosemite (as per fake text), not him & his home. Ostensibly, by the time they found her--assuming it would take a long while, if ever--his story that they broke up or whatever couldn't be refuted & it would have been long enough that COD couldn't be determined, & there wouldn't be enough proof to link him.

When police showed up & towed the van, he may have freaked out that there could be evidence in it, or perhaps he realized he going to be considered a suspect in general (he *seems* not to have been worried about that before the 11th--going bike riding, camping, mowing the lawn...). Would love to know what went on in that house on the 12th...

JMO
 
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  • #820
I have thoughtcthe exact same thing-projecting his guilt onto her. Do people do this so they can live with what they’ve done? Who knows?

My dad used to smack and my siblings. Every time, he said some variation of either “Look what you made me do” or “I did it because I love you.”
 
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