Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #58

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After hearing the Dr. Phil interview with GP's parents, this is my updated theory, for what it's worth.

* GP and BL reunite after their night apart in Moab and had a honeymoon period for a few days (8/13-15 or 8/16).

* As tensions rise again, BL and GP, with the support of his parents, decide that the best thing would be a little time apart and for GP to decompress in the safety of a hotel in SLC, leading to the plans for BL to go back to LI for his 8/17-8/23 trip. As long as he was going to be home, everyone decided that it would be a good idea to empty out the storage unit, but that was not part of the plan when they left FL and was not the whole reason for the trip.

* GP and BL come back together, both refreshed and better rested, with Gabby less stressed because she'd had time to work on the website, and BL less tense. They resume their trip and head toward Grand Teton.

* FACT: GP and BL are seen checking out of the hotel in SLC on 8/24

* FACT: GP speaks with her mom on 8/25 from Grand Teton, and that is also the date of the last post to her instagram account.

* GP and BL find a spot at Spread Creek, parking by the side of the road and setting up their tent on the other side of the creek, 1000 or so feet from where they have parked, facing the mountains. As they have at other campsites, their plan is to use the van for food prep and to sleep in the tent at night. Incidentally, there are a few trees around for a hammock.

* GP and BL tour or hike in Grand Teton on 8/26.

* GP and BL head to Jackson on 8/27 to take in the sights, get lunch, and buy some provisions. GP may also be looking for a place to get on wifi. Tensions begin to rise again. BL is seen having an altercation with staff at Merry Piglets. They leave before finishing everything they planned to accomplish in Jackson.

* The relationship between GP and BL is rapidly devolving. GP desperately wants to keep things together so that they can continue on with their trip, so she appeases him as much as possible. They make up on the evening of 8/27, and camp in their tent, enjoying the view of the mountains.

* Having had their errands cut short by their argument on the previous day, they head back to Jackson a second time on to finish buying supplies on 8/28. On the afternoon of the 28th, they explore the park. Alternately, they hike and/or explore the park for the whole day.

* Gabby was wearing a sweatshirt when she died, so it may have happened on the evening. In this scenario, that would be the evening of 8/28. They build a campfire near their tent. With tensions rising and tempers flaring, what has started out as an OK evening takes a turn for the worse, resulting in an argument that gets physical. In a fit of anger, he fractures her skull with a rock. A fractured skull would account for the quick determination by the medical examiner. BL leaves her where she is and flees the site. He takes refuge in the van and spends the night in a panic, making rushed plans that he intends to implement the next day.

* Day of 8/29, BL starts to implement a plan to be seen by multiple witnesses away from the van. In the morning, he heads off on foot with a plan to be seen inside the boundaries of the park and near the Snake River.

* Potential walking route on 8/29 can be seen here: Map - Sep 24 06:21 PM
The route picks up at Spread Creek and follows an old wagon road for most of the walk. There is only a short section that is on Route 89, so one could walk it mostly unobserved. It takes him near the Snake River and the walk ends at Colter Bay village. The walk is almost 18 miles, with an elevation gain of 338 feet, and would probably take about 6-7 hours.

* BL arrives in Coulter Bay Village on 8/29 by 4:30-5:30 PM, takes a shower and picks up some supplies at the General Store. He then hitches a ride with Miranda Baker and her boyfriend, getting out at Jackson Dam, making sure to tell them that he's been camping along the Snake River without GP. He is subsequently picked up by a second driver who takes him to the head of Spread Creek Road. He walks to his van and arrives at the van by 9 PM.

* Night of 8/29, BL packs things up, removes as much evidence as he can from the site, and hits the road. He drives home, catching naps when his adrenaline starts to wear off. He stocks up on cash and a burner phone or two using Gabby’s card along the way. He is on the road for much of 8/30 and 8/31, arriving by 10:30 AM on 9/1.

This is a theory. MOO.
I think this is a very good theory. My thinking too. The one thing I keep going back to though is him mentioning Gabby at all to the people who picked him up. If he was setting up an alibi that would show he wasn’t there then why leave with the van and go home and say nothing?
Two scenarios….
1. He left after a fight and came back and she was dead.
2. He killed her and panicked. Left to clean up and set an alibi for not being there.
In both of those the scenarios the logical thing would be to call the police. He can say he wasn’t there when it happened.
But he throws away any chance of that when he leaves. He knows he has been seen by these people. And he knows he mentioned Gabby to them. It doesn’t make any sense to even bring her up if he was just going to take off with the van and drive home. MOO is that if he was planning to do that he would not have said anything at all to the people who picked him up.
But then again…a lot of this case doesn’t make sense.
 
Oh, I'm not saying it was grounds for a warrant. I'm questioning why losing a human being isn't enough motivation to at least keep a tail on him. MOO

But did they even have the ability to compel him to show his face, assuming he was at the Laundrie house the day Gabby was reported missing? He had an attorney and the family told the police to speak to him. The police really had their hands tied from the start. But either way, if he was already gone from the house the police wouldn’t be able to keep track of him anyway, and that is what I think happened. They believed his attorney that he was in the home (and I question if the attorney even realized he was gone or not, I kinda think the parents lied to the attorney too). The police were at a disadvantage from the start because the Laundries all had time to plan whatever happened that led to BL getting out of town.
 
SBM.
I’m just wondering why this would be if she were left in the open for nearly 3 weeks? You’d think at night wildlife would have discovered a body in the open.

I want to hope it's true but I have to agree with you.

Like I said... if true.

Here's my source.
It was posted in WS Thread #22 Page #24 Post #464:

In this live video from Sept 21st, the policing expert on the ground says he has a source that says her remains were not disturbed by wildlife.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWwA7pQgvFM&t=1s
 
IMO, living in hiding, with the constant fear of being found, paranoid of everything and everyone and having to look in the mirror everyday knowing what you did, would be a Hellish prison.
I agree. You and I would feel that way but I'm not so sure that's how BL feels.
Remember the photo of BL and his nephews that CaL made public? Remember the one where it was noted that he had a bracelet on his wrist? Well, all I could think about was how could he have done what he did (even the least of what is suspected) and yet still have the vanity to adorn himself (bracelet) for a camping adventure. I just can't get that out of my mind . . .
 
I think this is a very good theory. My thinking too. The one thing I keep going back to though is him mentioning Gabby at all to the people who picked him up. If he was setting up an alibi that would show he wasn’t there then why leave with the van and go home and say nothing?
Two scenarios….
1. He left after a fight and came back and she was dead.
2. He killed her and panicked. Left to clean up and set an alibi for not being there.
In both of those the scenarios the logical thing would be to call the police. He can say he wasn’t there when it happened.
But he throws away any chance of that when he leaves. He knows he has been seen by these people. And he knows he mentioned Gabby to them. It doesn’t make any sense to even bring her up if he was just going to take off with the van and drive home. MOO is that if he was planning to do that he would not have said anything at all to the people who picked him up.
But then again…a lot of this case doesn’t make sense.
Yes, you make a good point. I actually was revising my post a little.

What I think may have happened is this:

His original plan was to say that he'd been solo camping for a few days. He planned to create his camping alibi by telling people people along the way, including those who picked him up in Colter Bay Village (and maybe others, as well, who have given statements to the FBI but haven't gone public).

However, it dawns on him that he's been seen, both at Spread Creek and in Jackson, and maybe other places around the park, with Gabby, during the time he was supposedly camping. He can't have been camping alone AND out and about with Gabby on those days, and so he realizes that the story won't work.

Instead of calling the police when he gets back to the van -- as he planned to do -- he realizes that if he calls the police, they will immediately start a search, and his alibi will collapse. So instead, he takes off in a hurry.
 
Well, yeah. When you report someone missing you have to give details and the Police make a report. It can't just be hear-say. The Laundries lived with their son, so they should "know" whether he is missing or not. And according to them he was hiking in a public park and didn't come home, so he could be in danger. Of course they keep changing the details about the last time they saw him, which is a problem.

So this is exactly the question -- why weren't the Laundrie parents the ones required to report this instead of the attorney? Their attorney had some type of communication with Brian on the 13th but he hadn't personally seen Brian (in how long?) to say for himself when Brian went missing. He could only pass on what the parents had said. (Ignore for now that bit about his parents not knowing just when he left either...)
 
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BBM

See linked article

...Dad Christopher, 62, and mom Roberta, 55, told detectives he vanished on the evening of Tuesday, September 14 – two weeks after he returned alone from the ill-fated cross-country road trip with girlfriend Gabby Petito, 22.

and

...But the Laundrie lawyer Steve Bertolino says the parents have now corrected their version of events and say their son disappeared on Monday, September 13.

and

However Dailymail.com arrived at the Laundrie home to cover the story of Gabby’s disappearance at 1pm that day. The Mustang was not on the driveway, suggesting Brian had already vanished.

(see attached driveway photo in link)

Brian Laundrie 'flew to Florida to empty a storage unit five days after fight with Gabby Petito' | Daily Mail Online

Thank you.
 
I think this is a very good theory. My thinking too. The one thing I keep going back to though is him mentioning Gabby at all to the people who picked him up. If he was setting up an alibi that would show he wasn’t there then why leave with the van and go home and say nothing?
Two scenarios….
1. He left after a fight and came back and she was dead.
2. He killed her and panicked. Left to clean up and set an alibi for not being there.
In both of those the scenarios the logical thing would be to call the police. He can say he wasn’t there when it happened.
But he throws away any chance of that when he leaves. He knows he has been seen by these people. And he knows he mentioned Gabby to them. It doesn’t make any sense to even bring her up if he was just going to take off with the van and drive home. MOO is that if he was planning to do that he would not have said anything at all to the people who picked him up.
But then again…a lot of this case doesn’t make sense.
Every one keeps giving Brian the benefit of the doubt that he is in his right mind and making rational decisions. IMO, if Rose was indeed telling the truth that Brian hears voices, and that Gabby had stayed at her place several times to escape Brian, IMO Brian could be suffering delusions and not thinking or acting like a normal rational person would, which is why nothing makes sense to rational Websluthers IMOIMO :)
 
So this is exactly the question -- why weren't the Laundrie parents the ones required to report this instead of the attorney? Their attorney had some type of communication with Brian on the 13th but he hadn't personally seen Brian (in how long?) to say for himself when Brian went missing. He could only pass on what the parents had said. (Ignore for now that bit about his parents not knowing just when he left either...)

Is it possible that if he filed the report, he was doing so on the parents behalf as their 'spokesman'? Just speculating
 
But did they even have the ability to compel him to show his face, assuming he was at the Laundrie house the day Gabby was reported missing? He had an attorney and the family told the police to speak to him. The police really had their hands tied from the start. But either way, if he was already gone from the house the police wouldn’t be able to keep track of him anyway, and that is what I think happened. They believed his attorney that he was in the home (and I question if the attorney even realized he was gone or not, I kinda think the parents lied to the attorney too). The police were at a disadvantage from the start because the Laundries all had time to plan whatever happened that led to BL getting out of town.
Hmmm. I'm wondering when the police started accepting every word coming from a fugitive's handlers as gospel. Must have begun when the LA PD believed Robert Shapiro was going to deliver OJ to them. I am amazed at the avalanche of curiosity not displayed from day one of this case by LE. It all seems a day late and a dollar short. MOO
 
Yes, I actually was revising things a little when you were writing this, I think.

What I think may have happened is this:

His original plan was to say that he'd been solo camping for a few days. He planned to create his camping alibi by telling people people along the way, including those who picked him up in Colter Bay Village (and maybe others, as well, who have given statements to the FBI but haven't gone public).

However, it dawns on him that he's been seen, both at Spread Creek and in Jackson, and maybe other places around the park, with Gabby. He can't have been camping alone AND out and about with Gabby on those days, and so he realizes that the story won't work.

Instead of calling the police when he gets back to the van -- as he planned to do -- he realizes that if he calls the police, they will immediately start a search, and his alibi will collapse. So instead, he takes off in a hurry.
I've also thought that the solo camping and the hitchhiking--and telling his rides about GP--was to establish the alibi that something had happened to her while he was miles away. However, when he got back to the campsite / site of her death, he realized his plan wouldn't work, or he had an anxiety attack and couldn't go through with the required lying and acting necessary for pulling it off. Instead, he abandoned this plan and alibi and fled home without any planning. MOO.
 
I agree. You and I would feel that way but I'm not so sure that's how BL feels.
Remember the photo of BL and his nephews that CaL made public? Remember the one where it was noted that he had a bracelet on his wrist? Well, all I could think about was how could he have done what he did (even the least of what is suspected) and yet still have the vanity to adorn himself (bracelet) for a camping adventure. I just can't get that out of my mind . . .
...but, was the photo taken this year or last year? The tale is told from the Laundrie side of things, so might the truth of it be suspect?
MOOing.
 
I've also thought that the solo camping and the hitchhiking--and telling his rides about GP--was to establish the alibi that something had happened to her while he was miles away. However, when he got back to the campsite / site of her death, he realized his plan wouldn't work, or he had an anxiety attack and couldn't go through with the required lying and acting necessary for pulling it off. Instead, he abandoned this plan and alibi and fled home without any planning. MOO.
Insert phone call home and I believe you're right on the money. MOO
 
Is it possible that if he filed the report, he was doing so on the parents behalf as their 'spokesman'? Just speculating
I'm not even sure a "report" was filed. The attorney could simply have notified LE that he had lost track of his client as of such and such date and that the parents were willing to discuss his disappearance with the FBI. Which they did, on Sep 17th.
 
^— This! … but what if he smacked her around, bruised her up and left her alive… THAT would be very hard to explain to police. The reasonable suspicion of murder would be HUGE! He literally would have implicated himself for murder and would basically have to prove that he DIDN’T kill her. Of course all of the evidence of following events makes him look guilty as hell too. MOO!

IMO, they all already do!!

In my estimation, clearly the Laundries are clinging to legalities because it's all they have left; and again IMO, they know their only hope is in some type of violation of due process, not because Brian doesn't have blood on his hands; which is why I have no problem with the FBI taking their time...
 
Ok, they have never been allowed to travel with ammo, maybe it is the caliber/size IDK. They purchase it when they get to the shoot. At the end of the shoot they give away any remaining ammo to locals or those not flying.

Without doing any meaningful research, my first inclination would be that maybe that team departs or travels through an airport in a city or state with more restrictive regulations regarding ammunition, or that maybe the local club members have simply agreed to that policy to reduce risk. I'd be interested to know if you remember to ask why. Thanks for your perspective!
 
Every one keeps giving Brian the benefit of the doubt that he is in his right mind and making rational decisions. IMO, if Rose was indeed telling the truth that Brian hears voices, and that Gabby had stayed at her place several times to escape Brian, IMO Brian could be suffering delusions and not thinking or acting like a normal rational person would, which is why nothing makes sense to rational Websluthers IMOIMO :)
Without tiptoeing through mental illness, I believe you're partially right. Which begs the question - The voice of who? MOO
 
Is it possible that if he filed the report, he was doing so on the parents behalf as their 'spokesman'? Just speculating

I personally think that the attorney wasn’t aware that BL wasn’t home with them until the day that he informed LE that the Laundries wanted to speak to them about BL and it came out that he was gone. I think the parents kept that bit to themselves for days and then let it slip and the attorney was like look you need to report him missing, if nothing else but for damage control. MOO.
 
My job has been annoyingly keeping me from reading/posting lately but those are the days when I just go over in my mind what we know so far. Something that occured to me yesterday was the fact that we don't know anything about the relationships between BL's family and GP's family prior to this whole thing. I did notice that GP's family didn't seem too fond of BL based on what *wasn't* said. At no time did they express that they couldn't believe BL would have done anything to GP because he was so loving and kind. They didn't say how much he loved her and wouldn't ever hurt her. These kids had a relationship for many years and so the parents were at least on the periphery of that for a long time and would have at least marginal insight into the dynamics. Maybe the parents honestly didn't like each other's kids and as an extension of that didn't like each other? Maybe the failure to answer the calls was just a natural extension of what their relationship had been all along? Emotionally they seem at opposite ends of the spectrum with the L's being reserved (cold?) and the S's & P's seeming more demonstrative and emotional. Maybe, BL's family having lived with GP, found her to be emotional and looked at her responses to life as "dramatic." It would certainly set the stage for BL showing up with some bs story to his family about what happened and telling them how done he was with her and that he wanted nothing to do with her or her family. "Don't even answer the phone if they call!" I'm just trying to figure out why his family would behave in a way that seems so foreign to most of us.
This is what Gabby's mum had to say in an MSM interview.

.........Schmidt told DailyMail.com that she's now questioning everything and looking at things through a new lens.

'Maybe the relationship wasn't what I thought,' she said.

She said she can't understand why neither Brian nor his parents have reached out to her in the aftermath of her daughter's disappearance.

'It's a very mysterious situation. We don't understand why he's doing this. Everybody's assuming the worst and thinking he's guilty of this. But I don't want to believe that. I want to believe she's just in need of help out there and that everybody needs to keep searching.'

Schmidt described how Brian's parents had been warm and welcoming to Gabby during their relationship. She recalled a time when his mother even knitted her future daughter-in-law gifts for Christmas.

'She loved her like a daughter,' Schmidt said. 'As far as I knew they were all very caring and treated her like one of the family. His mom was so excited about the engagement.'

Boyfriend of missing Gabby Petito returned to Florida alone 10 DAYS before she was reported missing | Daily Mail Online

This is what Gabby's dad had to say about Brian on Dr Phil.

Dr. Phil
How well did you know him, and what was he like?

Gabby's dad
I'd met him a bunch of times, you know. I'd never liked any of Gabby's boyfriend's, let's be real. I've never actually called any of her boyfriends by their real name, ever. I've always made up names for them, to be honest with you.

Dr. Phil
What was your name for Brian?

Gabby's dad
Brianna.

Dr. Phil
Why that?

Gabby's dad
Why not? I always tried to use the female version of the boyfriend's names. Just to intimidate them a little bit.

Dr. Phil
How did he respond?

Gabby's dad
They laughed. As the years progressed I think she prepared them for when they met me.
Brian was always respectful you know? I can't say he wasn't.

Dr. Phil
What kind of relationship did they have, how would you describe it?

Gabby's dad
There's no red flags that stuck out. Nothing that popped in my head that this boy, you know is not a good boy. If there were I would've discouraged going on the trip........

Dr. Phil
Did you ever witness them fighting?

Gabby's dad
No.

Dr. Phil
Did she ever talk to them about fighting?

Gabby's dad
No..............

Dr. Phil
Were you aware of the engagement and did you go along with it, were you ok with it?

Gabby's dad
Yeah, yeah. Listen you know, at the end of the day if my daughter's going to be happy and she loves you and you love her, which from what I saw, I'm okay. That's all I care about and you know that's it, my daughter's happiness.
 
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