Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #62

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I think it took place at night.

The positioning of the van was right where passing vehicles could see them (Red, White and Bethune being the perfect example)...

Unless, she was killed in the back of the van and it wasn't until nightfall that her body was taken to where it was found??

IF she was killed where she was found then I have to think it must've taken place at night. Surely it would be too risky to carry out a strangulation in broad daylight when there was the dirt road so close by?

MOO

Please can someone remind me of the approximate distance from where the van was to where GP's body was discovered?
A five or ten minute walk from the van.
 
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I’m wondering if now that we know she was purposefully, intentionally, brutally murdered by strangulation, if a charge of depraved indifference can be added? Or is it superfluous to a murder charge? @Alethea please?

I mention this because all I can think of is how depraved he was to put his hands around her neck and keep them there, while she went from startled to scared to unconscious to dead.

Then when he was done with his hands, how depraved to use his feet to step on the gas and keep going, leaving her behind. One mile, two miles, 20 miles, 100 miles when at any time he could have turned back, turned himself in, called 911, or anything other than keeping that foot pressed on the gas for 2000 miles away from her. The stubborn determination it takes to do that. Depraved indifference IMO
And then to go visit his sister and nephews and go camping and carry on with life as if nothing happened. Truly a sick individual.
 
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Just heard the news in Australia.

That mongrel 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬!
Justice now for that sweet girl.
C’mon American LE you’re dropping the ball way too much lately.
 
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Those appear to be tyre marks, maybe from reversing and getting into place to park up? Imo

Thanks for your opinion. IF they r drag marks imho he moved the van to try and cover/park over them after he dragged her out of the van.
 
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I think it took place at night.

The positioning of the van was right where passing vehicles could see them (Red, White and Bethune being the perfect example)...

Unless, she was killed in the back of the van and it wasn't until nightfall that her body was taken to where it was found??

IF she was killed where she was found then I have to think it must've taken place at night. Surely it would be too risky to carry out a strangulation in broad daylight when there was the dirt road so close by?

MOO

Please can someone remind me of the approximate distance from where the van was to where GP's body was discovered?

He could have (and IMO most likely did) leave her dead body in the van for a few hours until dark, or a few days while he hitchhiked around hoping someone would discover her while he got his alibi made. ETA - IMO he was assuming she would be found while he was away from the van.
 
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Well, once the crime scene is released it reverts to becoming the property of the owner.
no need to preserve it further.
well that's basically what I am trying to get at. They did swabs, they took there pictures. It wouldn't make sense to take the rocks into a courtroom. Would make more sense to take pics of them after the swabbing to give a layout of what happened.
 
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Please can people read this because I keep seeing ‘crime of passion’ or ‘loss of control’ link at the bottom.
Myth #14: Domestic abuse is a ‘crime of passion’, a momentary loss of control.

Reality: Domestic abuse is rarely about losing control, but taking control. Abusive men rarely act spontaneously when angry. They consciously choose when to abuse their partner: when they are alone, and when there are no witnesses (if there is a witness, then usually they are a child). He has control over whom he abuses. To find out more about the characteristics of domestic abuse, click here.
Myths - Womens Aid
Thank you for sharing the information. It is scary how many people need to assert control over those that should be partners.

I know that I, and I believe others as well, have been referencing "crime of passion" (or really the lack of evidence of the homicide being the result of a crime of passion) to be a metric of malice or evil -- the intent to do grievous harm. The evil intent results in more serious charges and punishment.
 
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IMO, it's looking like if Brian Laundrie is caught and charged with the crime of Gabby's demise which would be Murder of First Degree due to strangulation taking minutes and premeditation can be even a few seconds, since Wyoming is a death penalty state, Brian will face the death penalty.

IMO, if this happens then good riddance, because Brian has shown ZERO empathy or remorse towards Gabby and her family by running away and staying silent.
GP was murdered on federal land, not state but I do believe BL will face the death penalty.
 
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THROTTLING? What is that?
It means strangling someone with your hands, manually (as opposed using to a rope, or using your knee or something).
 
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I'm a bit confused as to why a mention of DV is a slip up too. Coroner didn't say something speculative about a history of DV but that this was an act of one which, by definition, it is. Is it because LE hasn't been ruled a suspect yet? Because the coroner report always comes before that anyway...
keyword: domestic. Autopsy in and of itself would not reveal the killer, just that she was strangled...so it was later evidentiary stuff that identified that killer was her domestic partner. DNA, circumstantial evidence, but not the autopsy that Blue performed. jmo
 
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Actually time to deliberate while committing a crime and premeditation are two separate legal concepts. Manual strangulation does not prove premeditation by default. For example, the Washington State Supreme Court (State v. Bingham, 105 Wash. 2d 820) ruled that strangulation alone is insufficient to prove premeditation because "the opportunity to deliberate is not evidence the defendant did deliberate, which is necessary for a finding of premeditation."

Then there's this: "Proof of a struggle between the killer and the decedent in a case of murder by strangulation constitutes evidence which will support a jury finding of premeditation. See Johnston, 863 2d at 285-86." Berube v. State, 5 So.3d 734

"Premeditation is defined as 'a full-formed conscious purpose to kill, which exists in the mind of the perpetrator for a sufficient length of time to permit of reflection, and in pursuance of which an act of killing ensues.' Blackwood v. State, 777 So.2d 399, 406 (Fla. 2000) (quoting Sireci v. State, 399 So.2d 964, 967 (Fla. 1981)).
"Premeditation may be 'formed in a moment and need only exist 'for such time as will allow the accused to be conscious of the nature of the act he is about to commit and the probable result of that act.'' Blackwood, 777 So.2d at 406 (quoting DeAngelo v. State, 616 So.2d 440, 441 (Fla. 1993))." (Cases cited are found in Johnston opinion linked above.)
 
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You know how Shaken Baby Syndrome victims are violently shaken? It is that but shaken violently by your throat. Jmo
 
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Thanks, guys. The word throtttling threw me off. It's just another word for manual strangulation.
 
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Agreed! I thought it couldn't be strangulation because I was expecting a crime of passion. This changes the case so much.
He was so controlled at the Moab stop so why couldn’t he “control” himself around gabby, because he was in control, he changed because he wanted too, he killed her because he could MOO
 
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