Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #62

[cnmccarthy]

I'm not looking to re-hash "storage gate" but I wanted to check on something and can't remember where I read or heard this. Can anyone remember where it was said that Brian and Gabby were looking to extend their trip?

I remember it being stated somewhere by Cassie that that was why Brian flew home to close the storage unit so they “had more funds to extend the trip”. I’d look into interviews from Cassie.

 

[Speculaytor]

Strangulation. I understand why he ran, lawyered up, and isn't talking. He can't really explain that away. It may have been in the heat of the moment, probably was, which is manslaughter, not murder in the first degree. He would be released from jail eventually. Turn yourself in BL, it is the only thing you can do to begin to find forgiveness. It is your only chance at doing the right thing from now, and forever.

Gabby Petito's autopsy report: Live updates

 

[Starglaze]

You did a lot of work there! Well done.
Why can he not have left on the night of 29th tho'?

He could have! I just wanted to pin down the absolute latest he could have left.

 

[Skigirl]

I'm changing the current subject here.

I've been trying to put together a "timeline" between the last time Gabby was seen to Brian arriving in North Port, FL. and here is what I have come up with. If I have any information wrong, please speak up. Some of the information is my opinion, some gotten from the WS posted timeline, and some from media articles that I have summarized/reduced for clarity (which I have not linked). Mods, delete if this is not o.k.

AUG 27 – Couple seen at Merry Piglets in Jackson for lunch between 1-2 where they have an argument. It is 28 miles and 38 minutes travel time from the restaurant to the Spread Creek Dispersed Camping (SCDC) area where Gabby's van is supposedly seen by YouTube bloggers between 6:00-6:30 p.m. First strange text message from Gabby’s phone sent to mom regarding Stan (at least LE knows what time this was!).

My timeframe starts at 3:00 p.m, Aug 27th (one hour after the last sighting of Gabby).

AUG 28 - No known information.

AUG 29 - BL hitch hiked and picked up twice. First by MB and then by NJ, who drops him off at the gate to SCDC area at 6:30 p.m. Note: per Google maps it is 2.4 miles from the gate to the van and a 50 minute walk +/-. Elk hunters spotted the van on this date. Gabby was due to meet up with her pal on Aug. 29 at Yellowstone and was supposed to call her that day — the friend’s birthday — to nail down specifics, the Sun reported., but the friend never heard from Petito.
AUG 30, Monday – last text from Gabby to her mom saying she had no phone service at Yosemite — a message that NS is convinced didn’t come from her daughter (glad LE knows what time this was!)

Now, I used Google maps to get BL home and here is the (estimated) math. I actually started at North Port and worked backwards because we know the van was caught on camera entering North Port at approximately 10:30 a.m. Sept 1.

Travel distance between Spread Creek and North Port, FL is 2,375 miles and 35 hours via Google maps.

Transit van holds 15.4 gallons of gas and gets 23 MPG, approximate, so a tank of gas will go 350 miles. 2,375 / 350 = 6.7 stops to fill up. 15 minutes per stop = 100 minutes or 1 hour and 45 minutes just stopping for gas.

Possible goes thru Benton, IL (Aug 31 Central Time) returning home via use of GP debit card for gas. 14 ½ hours from Benton (spotted there possibly) to North Port. Arrives North Port at 10:30 a.m. Eastern Time via webcam.

BL committed debit card fraud between Aug. 30, 2021 (Monday) and Sept. 1, 2021 (Wednesday).

I picked gas stops that seemed likely to me based on how far he could go on a tank. It shouldn't matter because I am calculating the time/date.

Monday, Aug 30 Need to add 1.75 hours just for getting gas (15 minutes per stop), now at 7:15 pm Mountain time at Spread Creek. Does not include food, potty, or rest breaks. In other words, Brian could not have left Spread Creek any later than to 7:15 pm Mountain time on August 30.

Aug 30 - Spread Creek Camping Area to Lander, WY is 137 miles and 2 ½ hours – Spread Creek at 8:30 pm Mountain time to Lander, WY at 11:00 pm
Aug 30 - Lander, WY to Cheyenne, WY is 272 miles and 4 hours – Lander, WY at 11:00 pm to Cheyenne, WY at 3:00 am
Tuesday, Aug 31 - Cheyenne, WY to Kearney, NE is 316 miles – Cheyenne, WY 3:00 am Mountain Time to Kearney, NE at 8:30 am Central time (4 ½ hours, lose an hour)
Aug 31 - Kearney, NE to Kansas City, MO is 325 miles – Kearney, NE at 8:30 am Central Time to Kansas City, MO at 1:30 p.m. (5 hours)
Aug 31 - Kansas City, MO to Benton, IL is 350 miles – Kansas City, MO at 1:30 pm Central Time and Benton, IL at 6:30 pm ( 5 hours)
Aug 31 - Benton, IL to Chattanooga, TN is 350 miles – Benton, IL at 6:30 p.m. Central Time and Chattanooga, TN at 12:30 a.m. Eastern Time (5 hours travel time, lose an hour)
Wednesday, Sept 1 - Chattanooga, TN to Valdosta, GA is 350 miles – Chattanooga, TN at 12:30 a.m. Eastern Time and Valdosta, Ga at 5:30 am Eastern Time (5 hours travel time)
Sept 1 - Valdosta, GA to North Port, FL is 310 miles - Valdosta, Ga at 5:30 am Eastern Time and North Port, FL at 10:30 a.m. (5 hours travel time)

So, IMO the death timeline window (gosh...I hate that I am even doing this) is from August 27th approximately 3P to August 30th 7P. I actually believe he left the morning of August 30th.

This is all just my opinion, speculation, etc. and nothing more.

EDITED TO READ: In other words, Brian could not have left Spread Creek any later than to 7:15 pm Mountain time on August 30.

Great post. My guess is a little different in that I think that he probably left late on the 29th (having gotten back from hitchhiking at 9 PM or so, and spending an hour or two disposing of evidence as best he could/packing things up, and plotting a route.) I think he would have been pumped up with adrenaline and would have driven until he got sleepy, then pulled off someplace to get some sleep once or twice during the drive. I think she died on the 28th, at night, partly because she was wearing a sweatshirt, and partly because sticking around 2 whole days afterward seems like a lot to me. But those are small things.

 

[kittythehare]

He could have! I just wanted to pin down the absolute latest he could have left.

Gotcha thanks.
He could , in fact have taken it easy, parked up and had a night's sleep, to return refreshed and all ready for family visit with his parents to his sister's house.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not looking to re-hash "storage gate" but I wanted to check on something and can't remember where I read or heard this. Can anyone remember where it was said that Brian and Gabby were looking to extend their trip?

I think it was SB but I'm not certain.

It was SB.

Laundrie flew home to "obtain some items and empty and close the [couple's] storage unit to save money as they contemplated extending the road trip."
Brian Laundrie flew home and then back to Utah in middle of road trip with Gabby Petito

 

[Figuring]

I’m very curious how the coroner’s office would know right away that her manner of death was homicide before an autopsy was done if it was strangulation and not something more obvious like gunshot, knife, or blunt force trauma. Would her neck be obviously bruised over 3wks later when she was found?

definitely not stating I don’t believe them. I’m just surprised that they were so sure in the beginning on manner of death and am curious how much they could tell about it without an autopsy yet. Normally they don’t come right out and immediately give manner of death.

I'm not 100% certain if bruises would still show--I think they would in that time period in general but it depends on decomposition & the elements. But in a good amount of manual strangulation cases the hyoid bone is broken (it's a bone in the middle back of the throat). It's considered a key sign of manual strangulation. I believe it's an indication of pressure from the thumbs. I hate writing this.

Edit to add: these are the results of a full autopsy now.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

MSN: ‘I Don’t Know if My Parents Are Involved:’ Brian Laundrie’s Sister Speaks to Protesters, ABC News

Scroll down.

The interview happened on GMA -ABC

Brian Laundrie's sister urges him to 'come forward' amid nationwide search

I just rewatched it, and it's very clear the only photo supplied from the 6th September is the one above.

The other photos appear to have only been supplied as extra color for the segment. Watch it for yourself and you will see, the wording is very specific.

 

[BreakingNews]

I’m very curious how the coroner’s office would know right away that her manner of death was homicide before an autopsy was done if it was strangulation and not something more obvious like gunshot, knife, or blunt force trauma. Would her neck be obviously bruised over 3wks later when she was found?

definitely not stating I don’t believe them. I’m just surprised that they were so sure in the beginning on manner of death and am curious how much they could tell about it without an autopsy yet. Normally they don’t come right out and immediately give manner of death.

In press conference choices were homicide, suicide or accident (I think). Suicide can easily be ruled out due to position, as could accident. Might have been immediately obvious due to bandana, broken neck or other item around her neck. Easy to tell early if it was homicide in MOO.

 

[wnk]

AUG 27 First strange text message from Gabby’s phone sent to mom regarding Stan (at least LE knows what time this was!).

I just read somewhere recently that the message was sent in the morning (7am, but it didn't specify whether this was MDT or EDT). I'll see if I can dig up a source, but it made me think that BL had possibly had control over GP's phone for some time before her murder--in fact, quite possibly before Moab, as he mentions in the police cam video that he has it "in a spot" in the van, which struck me as odd, as if he'd had it hidden away somewhere.

Officer 2: (41:49)
She is. She’d like her phone. If you know-

Brian Laundrie: (41:49)
Yeah.

Officer 2: (42:00)
… happen to know where it is?

Brian Laundrie: (42:00)
Yeah. Yeah, I’ll go-

Officer 2: (42:03)
[inaudible 00:42:03] where is it?

Officer Robbins: (42:03)
Yeah, just hang with us. Go ahead and tell her.

Officer 2: (42:05)
Yeah. Go ahead and tell me, if you don’t mind [inaudible 00:42:05].

Brian Laundrie: (42:05)
I can grab it, just because it’s like… it’s in a spot.
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MOO.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Apparently, strangulation and domestic violence is not uncommon in Wyoming and often go hand in hand (check out online Wyoming defense counsel ads. Pretty unsettling IMO). They even have a dedicated statute for it. I wonder what this might do to the jury pool. Hmmmm.

If he was tried under state law and had not killed her, he'd only get 5 years maybe less if he had no priors. MOO WY Stat § 6-2-509; WY Stat § 35-21-102 (iv)(F)

2011 Wyoming Statutes :: TITLE 6 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 2 - OFFENSES AGAINST THE PERSON :: 6-2-509. Strangulation of a household member; penalty.

That's disturbing. MOO

There campsite was in BRIDGER-TETON NATIONAL FOREST....it is not a National Park...for clarification. I don't know if that makes a difference regarding who's in charge or not.

Yes, it absolutely will, (MOO) but are u sure about this? I thought I already looked into this weeks ago and verified spread creek @ bridger teton was indeed federal land. MOO It will not govern who is in charge but it WILL govern which law applies. MOO

 

[Speculaytor]

I’m very curious how the coroner’s office would know right away that her manner of death was homicide before an autopsy was done if it was strangulation and not something more obvious like gunshot, knife, or blunt force trauma. Would her neck be obviously bruised over 3wks later when she was found?

definitely not stating I don’t believe them. I’m just surprised that they were so sure in the beginning on manner of death and am curious how much they could tell about it without an autopsy yet. Normally they don’t come right out and immediately give manner of death.

Definitely deep tissue bruising would still be healing 3 weeks later, and should be quit obvious. She would have had severe bruising, and possible skin breakage depending on how she was strangled. It might be very possible there were actual hand marks as bruises if she was strangled manually vs using a rope etc.

 

[cnmccarthy]

I'm not 100% certain if bruises would still show--I think they would in that time period in general but it depends on decomposition & the elements. But in a good amount of manual strangulation cases the hyoid bone is broken (it's a bone in the middle back of the throat). It's considered a key sign of manual strangulation. I believe it's an indication of pressure from the thumbs. I hate writing this.

Same here just thinking about it makes me sick. That does make a lot of sense. They could’ve easily done x-rays and palpated her neck right away as it’s a common cause of death and place to look for clues. Thank you for the clarification!

 

[SuperTmo]

Correct. It's not a statement at all... thus not dishonest. You can feel that their refusal to speak is immoral, but it is neither illegal, nor dishonest.

But lying to the FBI by giving the wrong date for when he “went missing” is dishonest, immoral, and illegal to boot. Right?

 

[LRinCA]

I'm not looking to re-hash "storage gate" but I wanted to check on something and can't remember where I read or heard this. Can anyone remember where it was said that Brian and Gabby were looking to extend their trip?

I think it was SB but I'm not certain.

This is from The Sun, but from what I understand, it is an approved source.

On Tuesday, the Laundrie family attorney confirmed that Brian flew back to Florida and that the locker was emptied.

He added that the couple emptied the locker as they were looking to "extend their trip."

Sleuths question Brian's mysterious 'storage locker' he flew home to clean out

 

[Campizi67]

The most premeditated part of losing the evidence is BL coming home and vanishing to give his own body time to destroy ALL the evidence that Gabby fought for her life. All self preservation scratches, cuts and bruises that Gabby might have inflicted are vanished by time. So horribly sad.., IMO

If LE has the original pics taken by BL's sister of him and the nephews when they all met shortly after he came home, there may have been noticeable marks and if so ....its been documented I'm sure.

 

[kittythehare]

Okay.
Does Brian have his passport.
Does Brian have a gun?
How much money does Brian have?
Is Brian alive or dead?

 

[cnmccarthy]

Definitely deep tissue bruising would still be healing 3 weeks later, and should be quit obvious. She would have had severe bruising, and possible skin breakage depending on how she was strangled. It might be very possible there were actual hand marks as bruises if she was strangled manually vs using a rope etc.

This clarifies to me more than ever this was not a “crime of passion”. He could’ve stopped. He didn’t split second kill her. He chose to wrap his hands around her neck and watch her life leave her. Absolutely sickening and makes me want more than ever for him to be found and punished.

MOO.

 

[ThoughtFox]

There campsite was in BRIDGER-TETON NATIONAL FOREST....it is not a National Park...for clarification. I don't know if that makes a difference regarding who's in charge or not.

The key word is "National." A National Forest is federal land, while a State Forest would fall under state jurisdiction. There's almost no doubt this will be a federal case tried in federal court. JMOO

 

[PayrollNerd]

WTH????

Dog The Bounty Hunter Calls Brian Laundrie ‘A Gentleman’ And Says He Killed Gabby Petito While Calming Her Down (msn.com)

Snip

“I was told by a very close source that he was a gentleman,” he told The Sun as he recounted some of the ideas in his head about how Laundrie may have reacted after killing Petito.