Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #68

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  • #921
According to BL's parents, he has now been alone in the wilderness for over a month.

Anyone else here watch History Channel's "Alone"? The premise is that survival experts are dropped off alone in a secluded location with only what gear they can carry with them, to see who can last longest at each location without outside assistance.

A few major differences between BL and the "Alone" contestants:
  • Motivation. $500k is a lot of money, but the arrest and trial that BL certainly knows is waiting for him if he's found is probably a greater motivating factor.
  • Food/supplies. While the "Alone" contestants are more restricted in what they can bring, BL may have brought a whole pack full of protein bars, firearms, solar-powered batteries, etc.
  • Outside help. Is BL receiving help from someone? No doubt that would increase the amount of time he'd be able to survive "on his own"
So, on to my observations about how "Alone" contestants handle the first month and beyond and what causes them to "tap out" (and may, at some point, cause BL to slip up or reveal himself as well if he is, indeed, living off the land somewhere on his own)
  • Accidents/injuries - These tend to happen when people are distracted, when they're using their gear improperly, and sometimes just by bad luck. Any sort of cut or burn could easily become infected; even something as small as a twisted ankle could severely hinder your ability to get yourself out of harm's way.
  • Illness - In general, the stress of being in such a survivalist situation would put an incredible strain on your body and its ability to fight off illness, as would the change from your normal diet. Mosquitoes carry all sorts of disease, and in a swampy area, it'd be difficult to remain dry... which brings me to...
  • Fire - Fire is incredibly important to survival -- to stay warm, to stay dry, to cook food, to boil water, to sanitize tools, etc. Twice in various seasons of "Alone," contestants who've lost their fire starter have tapped out, because without fire, wilderness survival is near impossible. And yet keeping a fire would also, in BL's case, be painting a bull's-eye on himself in a place like the Reserve that was closed to the public.
Right around the one-month mark, though, "Alone" becomes less about surviving in the wilderness and more about the mental challenge. Highly motivated contestants start tapping out because they just can't handle the homesickness, the lack of community and social connection in their isolated circumstances, or because the sheer amount of free time with little to do, no one to talk to, and nothing but your own thoughts to ruminate on. Often, contestants experience emotional breakdowns around this time because they just can't handle the solitude. They start examining the deeper questions of why they're there, what they're trying to accomplish, and if it's worth it; they either work through those issues or decide to be done and tap out.

(After that point in the show, for the contestants that can get past that mental hump, it seems a matter of keeping themselves from starvation and exposure, especially as most seasons start in autumn and by the end, they're deep in winter.)

BL, if he is out in the wilderness alone, is now at that one-month mark, and I can't imagine the sort of mental/emotional strain his own thoughts and memories and conscience would be putting him through at this point--24/7, with no one else to talk to or anything else to take his mind off of what he's done--especially if he's struggled with Anxiety in the past.

Because of that, if he is living off the land on his own somewhere, I think he'll slip up, and probably soon, whereas if he's being helped--if he's just sitting in a vacant condo somewhere, living off of DoorDash and escaping into books or movies or video games--I think he'd be able to ward off the stress of isolation significantly better and may not be found yet for some time.

I haven't seen this show but since this case started I have managed to view a few episodes of Dual Survivor and after viewing them, I cannot envision BL ever cutting it. MOO BL might be an off the grid camper but to our knowledge he has never been without food, water, and shelter. Watching just one episode of Dual Survivor in the jungle had me convinced. Knowing what is and what is not safe to eat? Eating snakes, if necessary? MOO but I just don't see it. I wonder where this guy is! JMO
 
  • #922
I haven't seen this show but since this case started I have managed to view a few episodes of Dual Survivor and after viewing them, I cannot envision BL ever cutting it. MOO BL might be an off the grid camper but to our knowledge he has never been without food, water, and shelter. Watching just one episode of Dual Survivor in the jungle had me convinced. Knowing what is and what is not safe to eat? Eating snakes, if necessary? MOO but I just don't see it. I wonder where this guy is! JMO
Still in Florida very near his parents in one of their empty rentals? Just a guess. Jmo
 
  • #923
I think it's likely too.
I'm still lost on the IL bank charges. I didn't think I had missed anything over the weekend, apparently I was wrong. I will try searching the thread unless someone has a post link. Thanks!
 
  • #924
Well, you are right that public announcements may lag. But I don't think you are right that GP's parents had card access and knew BL used the cards in Illinois before calling LE. It also doesn't make sense her family thought both GP and BL were missing and tried to contact the Laundries on that basis if, in fact, they thought BL did something to GP. Just doesn't add up.
JMO
GP's parents would have no way of knowing who used the cards in IL. That would be one of the reasons to try to contact them. At that point they had no reason to believe BL harmed GP. jmo
 
  • #925
Still in Florida very near his parents in one of their empty rentals? Just a guess. Jmo
That's what I'm wondering too. JMO

(A lot of investment properties have title held in S corporations or shell entities MOO)
 
  • #926
i'm beginning to really wonder if he may have somehow skipped country. How hard is it actually to leave undetected and go somewhere to disappear? what are the options? Hopefully somewhere your life savings of a few K make you a very good life yet blending in.
 
  • #927
"I thought GP's parents said in the interviews that GP lived with Laundrie parents. MOO Anyone recall or know if that's been linked?
Correct. It's been said in joint and separate interviews with Gabby's parents that Gabby and Brian lived with the Laundries.

No mention of living in a condo. I'm too tired to find the links so I will say IIRC ;).
 
  • #928
Correct. It's been said in joint and separate interviews with Gabby's parents that Gabby and Brian lived with the Laundries.

No mention of living in a condo. I'm too tired to find the links so I will say IIRC ;).
Thank you! I thought so. So, then I do think they did stay on with the parents at Wabasso and if they eventually ended up in Venice it was not until sometime later. MOO So, for purposes of our analysis, nothing really changes apart from the fact that the storage unit trip may have been related to this. MOO
 
  • #929
If BL stays down south, its warm and he can survive with his pup tent and fishing gear for a while. Doubt he speaks fluent Spanish , so Mexico wont do. IMO he’s on the lower Appliacian trail…… staying parallel to trail…..If he’s hearing voices (schizophenia) and has no meds….the voices will increase, not decrease ,especially under stress. He will be stealing food from campsites. Hopefully our brilliant FBI has posted Wanted signs all through the trails. Beware the hiker with the hat , glasses and mask/beard. Is it easier to hid in unpopulated areas ? Or better to hid in heavily populated communities ? For him, as a Long Islander, IMO he will eventually head to a populated area. California (the warm part) if he has a car. If he’s walking, he’s staying in the woods a bit longer. He’s not DBCooper. He will be caught……
 
  • #930
BL is a pampered privileged boy in my opinion. He’s not an adult. He doesn’t act like one. He hasn’t evolved into maturity. He is a petulant boy in a mans body. He’s stuck in that mid teen years mentality. When the fun runs out, he goes home.

Someone has apparently forgotten to tell him he’s not the center of the universe. I’m thinking Gabby tried and sadly, she paid the ultimate price. JMO

There are some rudimentary cabins in Myakka State Park that you can reserve. I’m certain they’ve been checked and hopefully every day. There must be some evidence such as foot prints, broken branches, trash, animal carcass, fire ring or something to keep them in Carlton Reserve.
 
  • #931
BL is a pampered privileged boy in my opinion. He’s not an adult. He doesn’t act like one. He hasn’t evolved into maturity. He is a petulant boy in a mans body. He’s stuck in that mid teen years mentality. When the fun runs out, he goes home.

Someone has apparently forgotten to tell him he’s not the center of the universe. I’m thinking Gabby tried and sadly, she paid the ultimate price. JMO

There are some rudimentary cabins in Myakka State Park that you can reserve. I’m certain they’ve been checked and hopefully every day. There must be some evidence such as foot prints, broken branches, trash, animal carcass, fire ring or something to keep them in Carlton Reserve.
I agree. Something specific is keeping them there. MOO
 
  • #932
Definition: Exigent circumstances - "circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry (or other relevant prompt action) was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers or other persons, the destruction of relevant evidence, the escape of the suspect, or some other consequence improperly frustrating legitimate law enforcement efforts."

There was no suspect. BL wasn't even a POI in a crime. Has he even been named a suspect to this day? I may have missed it. What was the probable cause at that time? "Exigent" would be things like screaming, visible blood on the premises, gunshots, an abduction caught on video or reported by an eyewitness, etc. IMO.
 
  • #933
GP's parents would have no way of knowing who used the cards in IL. That would be one of the reasons to try to contact them. At that point they had no reason to believe BL harmed GP. jmo

True. But they would have known the cards were used in Illinois IF they had account access to look at charges. And IF they had account access, being smart people they would have looked at card activity once they got worried about not hearing from GP. Not because they'd think the cards were being used inappropriately or illegally, or because they thought BL harmed GP, but to see where the couple was. And IF they saw Illinois early in Sept when the couple was supposedly in Wyoming, they would not have waited until almost mid-month to call LE.

There's just no way to claim they had access and knew the cards were used in Illinois but weren't worried enough to call LE until later on. And it doesn't make sense to claim they were very worried but didn't look at card activity even though they were able to. The only thing that makes sense is they didn't have the ability to look at card usage.
 
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  • #934
Why do you think Gabby’s parents would’ve presumed her and B were at the Laudrie residence at that time?
Because her van was there.

JMO
 
  • #935
No understanding of our legal processes?

More fun protesting? Some people like drama and hearing their own voices - out loud.



The substance of the warrant is public - but I think you're wanting the list of things discovered (the results). That is not public and I can't think of any place where it is public in a potential felony murder case.

Well, it's a potential murder, which is a felony, as opposed to felony-murder (which is the death of someone during the course of committing a felony for which you can be charged with murder - like if you run over and kill a pedestrian in your get away car after robbing the bank.) In other words under the felony murder rule, the element of intent required for murder is not required. You don't need to intend to kill the pedestrian to be charged with murder in that case. MOO JMO IMO
 
  • #936
Why would the parents get an overdraft notice for Gabby's account?

You can transfer money into someone's account but still not have access to that account.
I believe at least one parent was on GP's account. It helps build their credit. jmo
 
  • #937
True. But they would have known the cards were used in Illinois IF they had account access to look at charges. And IF they had account access, being smart people they would have looked at card activity once they got worried about not hearing from GP. Not because they'd think the cards were being used inappropriately or illegally, or because they thought BL harmed GP, but to see where the couple was. And IF they saw Illinois early in Sept when the couple was supposedly in Wyoming, they would not have waited until almost mid-month to call LE.

There's just no way to claim they had access and knew the cards were used in Illinois but weren't worried enough to call LE until later on. And it doesn't make sense to claim they were very worried but didn't look at card activity even though they were able to. The only thing that makes sense is they didn't have the ability to look at card usage.
Do you know what they knew and when they knew it as a fact? Because I may be lost here, but I do not understand how any of us can know for a certainty what Gabby's parents knew, when they knew it, including card activity? Jmo
 
  • #938
I'm still lost on the IL bank charges. I didn't think I had missed anything over the weekend, apparently I was wrong. I will try searching the thread unless someone has a post link. Thanks!
I can't find an approved link stating it was used in IL, I just did a Google search for it.
 
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True. But they would have known the cards were used in Illinois IF they had account access to look at charges. And IF they had account access, being smart people they would have looked at card activity once they got worried about not hearing from GP. Not because they'd think the cards were being used inappropriately or illegally, or because they thought BL harmed GP, but to see where the couple was. And IF they saw Illinois early in Sept when the couple was supposedly in Wyoming, they would not have waited until almost mid-month to call LE.

There's just no way to claim they had access and knew the cards were used in Illinois but weren't worried enough to call LE until later on. And it doesn't make sense to claim they were very worried but didn't look at card activity even though they were able to. The only thing that makes sense is they didn't have the ability to look at card usage.
Do you have a link stating card was used in Illinois?
 
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