Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #69

[Jurisprudence]

Do you think LE has sent up drones in the day ? Or heat seeking for him at night ? Or is that too much for this type of manhunt ?

They did. It was reported on NewsNation more than once. Something made them return to that Reserve. MOO

 

[10ofRods]

I don't think I've ever been fingerprinted getting a driver's license in California. Is it a new practice? Mine's been remotely renewed the last few times.

I've been fingerprinted as a federal employee, and again as a county employee, and given a thumbprint when getting something notarized, but I can't think of any other time I've needed to be fingerprinted.

It's been previously established on the thread that LE's spray paint marks were calibration points for a 3D scene re-creation program. MOO

Well - it's possible that it's both. When I've been involved in cases where we were attempting 3D reconstruction (admittedly - mostly not big crimes, some of it practice reconstruction), we don't just pick random spots to place the markers. We choose things that make us curious.

It's really too much to explain - and I'm certain that different crime scene investigation teams use different ideas. But, if there's any evidence at all of...malfeasance or bullets or arrow punctures, it's not uncommon to use those as markers.

TBH, the reconstructions derived from such techniques look like video game sets to me - but apparently they sometimes help judges and juries envision a scene. It really isn't a lot different than...taking lots of photos and having a good rendering give a 3D picture (as we do in archaeology).

 

[Jurisprudence]

"The manager of the restaurant said they arrived on foot, without their van."

New details emerge about one of last known sightings of Gabby Petito and fiancé

If the manager KNOWS they arrived on foot, without their van, there must have been video somewhere. Maybe the live cameras caught them? Or another business did.
MOO

There's only street parking by the front entrance. https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x53531a5d1745618b:0xb83f2f552cf52117!3m1!7e115!4s/maps/place/merry+piglets/@43.4812353,-110.7623749,3a,75y,64.74h,90t/data=*213m4*211e1*213m2*211sPM7AWlO8oaeJcUKHTAUqqQ*212e0*214m2*213m1*211s0x53531a5d1745618b:0xb83f2f552cf52117?sa=X!5smerry piglets - Google Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e2!2sPM7AWlO8oaeJcUKHTAUqqQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjPspOHxtXzAhWWpnIEHd76CiYQpx96BAhmEAg

The link is to google maps you can check out the street view.

 

[jjonez]

Well, then, though - it's another example of BL being transgressive, if he was still there after it closed. Just like occupying (for 4 verified days), a place that wasn't a campsite.

I wasn't thinking about forcing people out - I'm thinking about how BL must have stayed, despite the rules, and...was perhaps used to doing so? Breaking rules?

camping is allowed

https://www.carltonreserve.org/camping/


Your Local Parks | North Port, FL

 

[scorpius]

Most men who thru hike the AT are newly retired or just out of college. IME women are a little more scattered age wise. I encountered hordes of men 65+.
Also, some folks were "thruhiking" by getting picked up every night by family. They'd stay in motels. They carried just day packs.

Lol it'll be a hoot and i'll make good $$ on the latest social media then. Guy military loadout with rifle and pistol.
Day 1 - Very enthusiastic lots of chatter. End of day one video....'ok phew holy crap. ok 2 miles in we're camping for a few days to recover' lol. May take me years....but determination. hah.

The article i've seen before, I'd think people would be looking for that bounty on BL, so I just don't see him there. Also really not sure about the swamp thing either, that to me is like a suicide run, and well....he did pack iirc.

 

[10ofRods]

Dr Blue is the coroner. And in the zoom press conference he indicated that that an entomologist (from the fbi, iirc) was used. JMO

Yikes!

Not so convinced by him or his background - but Teton County only has like 24,000 residents...so, well.. enough said. Let him be the Coroner. Is he also the ME?

Has the Coroner released a final report or do we just have the autopsy?

camping is allowed

Camping


Your Local Parks | North Port, FL

Everywhere? Then why do they close the preserve during certain hours, as posted here?

I read the rules and thought it was only in the State Park part - please, someone, help!

 

[SuperTmo]

Is there any video from the Merry Piglets or more eyewitness accounts? The one couple where the lady reported it, said they noticed nothing unusual until they were leaving, sounded like they were asked to leave. Wonder what the event was, surely someone overheard/witnessed.

Initially the manager or owner or something of the store said they didn’t recall BL and Gabby there, or an argument with staff, because the restaurant is so busy all summer. I guess they verified it with receipts later on, but we don’t know if there are other witnesses or any video footage of the altercation.

 

[Figuring]

Dr Blue is the coroner. And in the zoom press conference he indicated that that an entomologist (from the fbi, iirc) was used. JMO

Yes, you’re right, there was an outside pathologist, a forensic anthropologist & a forensic entomologist involved in Gabby’s autopsy.

 

[10ofRods]

"The manager of the restaurant said they arrived on foot, without their van."

New details emerge about one of last known sightings of Gabby Petito and fiancé

If the manager KNOWS they arrived on foot, without their van, there must have been video somewhere. Maybe the live cameras caught them? Or another business did.
MOO

Be odd to drive a van into a restaurant...

 

[ThoughtFox]

"The manager of the restaurant said they arrived on foot, without their van."

New details emerge about one of last known sightings of Gabby Petito and fiancé

If the manager KNOWS they arrived on foot, without their van, there must have been video somewhere. Maybe the live cameras caught them? Or another business did.
MOO

I had not seen that link before so thanks for posting it. I wonder how the manager of Merry Piglets knew they were "on foot." Couldn't they just have parked somewhere else down the street?

 

[gngr~snap]

I had not seen that link before so thanks for posting it. I wonder how the manager of Merry Piglets knew they were "on foot." Couldn't they just have parked somewhere else down the street?

It sure seems like they would have. There is a type of Welcome Center pretty close. I'll look at the map again.
MOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

Yes, you’re right, there was an outside pathologist, a forensic anthropologist & a forensic entomologist involved in Gabby’s autopsy.

These specialists will be the real key. MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Yes, you’re right, there was an outside pathologist, a forensic anthropologist & a forensic entomologist involved.

Good - but are their results all in the report that Dr. Blue is using? Are the Coroner's report and Autopsy in final form?

If so, what are the rules in Teton County? Why isn't it all public?

I'm guessing it's because...federal involvement/FBI.

Would love to see the forensic entomology...we have heard no complete pathology results, either. Just Cause of Death...Manner of Death.

 

[whiterhino]

I had not seen that link before so thanks for posting it. I wonder how the manager of Merry Piglets knew they were "on foot." Couldn't they just have parked somewhere else down the street?

Right?!

Isn't this the same restaurant where the staff didn't give a statement but the other couple, the other customers gave their own witness accounts, providing their bill as proof?

Technically anyone who isn't parked right outside the door is arriving "on foot". Just saying!

 

[simon magus]

Good - but are their results all in the report that Dr. Blue is using? Are the Coroner's report and Autopsy in final form?

If so, what are the rules in Teton County? Why isn't it all public?

I'm guessing it's because...federal involvement/FBI.

Would love to see the forensic entomology...we have heard no complete pathology results, either. Just Cause of Death...Manner of Death.

he addressed a lot of what you're asking in the zoom conference video i posted a few pages ago...wyoming statute apparently allows only the manner of death and cause of death to be made public...he took a number of questions, but was unable to comment on many of the things he was asked...

 

[ThoughtFox]

Right?!

Isn't this the same restaurant where the staff didn't give a statement but the other couple, the other customers gave their own witness accounts, providing their bill as proof?

Technically anyone who isn't parked right outside the door is arriving "on foot". Just saying!

Yes, exactly right. Everyone walks into a restaurant "on foot."

 

[SuperTmo]

It's currently 40'F Toronto @11:20 p.m! If BL used his time and resources wisely in the early days then yeah, it IS possible but is it likely? Imho, too risky to head that far north into another country when there's so many hiding places closer to home.

It will take him at least 4 more months to walk the AT, and that is if he is a fast walker with few days off. No way would he manage this in the winter. As the days get shorter he will be walking less each day, will have days he can’t walk due to weather, etc.

ETA: And he will be exhausted. I have lived in a tent in Montana from June to late November past the first few snows, and then we moved into this really tiny travel trailer for the next year and a half. It was barely warmer than the tent, which had insulation unrolled and attached all around it covered with a tarp. That sucked. When it is that cold at night, you shiver all night long, even with a little heater and a good sleeping bag and blankets, and that isn’t conducive to restful sleep. He will burn calories all night this way, making it hard for him to eat enough while walking this much.

 

[whiterhino]

Yes, exactly right. Everyone walks into a restaurant "on foot."

I might have known This thread is making me delirious again lol!

 

[gngr~snap]

Parking is 400 ft from the restaurant.
Shared route
From The Merry Piglets Mexican Grill to Home Ranch via N Cache St and E Gill Ave.
1 min (400 ft)
1 min in current traffic
1. Head north on N Cache St toward W Gill Ave
2. Turn right onto E Gill Ave
3. Arrive at location: Home Ranch
For the best route in current traffic visit Google Maps
MOO

 

[SuperTmo]

“But would that excuse BL parents for not responding to GP parents phone calls and texts. IMO that was inexcusable”

Except…. Here’s my imaginary scenario:

The calls and texts “flooded in” on the tenth of September. It is plausible to me that no confession or even a reference to harm/death (eg, accidental or by another’s hand) was made prior to that date. They may or may not have sensed that something more serious than a breakup was going on, but, like Gabby’s parents (who articulated thoughts along these lines to the press): who would have imagined such a thing to have occurred? There is the worry/concern that we all experience from time to time (when someone is unusually late, when we can’t put our finger on what’s “off” about a loved one’s behavior, when we haven’t heard from someone for what feels like “too long”… We have learned to minimize these worries for ourselves and others, to talk ourselves down from the places our imagination wants to take us—because, more often than not, it really is/was “nothing”. It isn’t until we run out of excuses that the real dread/panic/fear are allowed to set in. Maybe Gabby’s parents reached that awful place before the Laundries. Maybe it was their messages on the 10th that popped the Laundries’ “everything is probably OK” bubble. What do I do when I get a message to which I’m not immediately sure how to respond? Answer: I don’t immediately respond. It’s possible the very first text they received either took them aback a little or outright alarmed them — triggering the need to think and discuss before replying. Yes, the messages probably quickly struck them as a possible/likely emergency situation that required answers and action—but…. It’s also probable, given the fact they NEVER REPLIED, that as they mulled over how best to respond, the situation escalated in their minds to a very real crisis, and—in all their confusion and fear—they reached out for advice from a particularly trusted and knowledgeable source: their lawyer. And we all know what happened (or didn’t happen) next.

What do you do when the utterly unthinkable happens? We can all hypothesize and judge to our hearts’ content, based on who and where we are in our lives right now (and, perhaps, who and where we THINK we are in our lives right now!)—but reality is all too frequently a different beast. JMO

(OOPS! I originally forgot to include the quote? Something is looking wonky on my end…)

Yeah…. Sure, they maybe didn’t get a chance to respond before things spun out, but what about after that? I could possibly believe that. But then when it was very clear that Gabby was missing and her parents literally begged for BL and his parents to help them figure out where to start looking… BL’s and his family response was basically… “nah, we’re good. We’re going to sit this one out.”