Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #73

[r131313]

No. That's what people do when they choose to kill themselves. jmo

Its incredibly insensitive and offensive to those who have been affected by suicide.

 

[Mamabear2five]

"That's just... odd timing. On the other hand...I've had the same sort of odd timing loads of times in my life. Not with a deceased person, but just very odd timing with various things. So, maybe they are just very in tune with their son and something prompted them that NOW was the time to go out and look." quote

I agree on the odd timing as well as the parents going right to a spot and finding items. I was wondering if maybe mom or dad or both wanted to go out there to be near where they knew Brian was deceased. Just wanted to be near him one more time? Maybe they were waiting for the preserve to open back up so they cold go out together to say goodbye?

 

[passionflower]

Finding your sons belongings would be a heartbreaker. Still no emotion that I would expect. Is this normal or am I just to emotional?

 

[Mom24]

Sounds like you're talking about a trailing dog and not a HRD dog that the OP was talking about. JMO.


Tracking vs. Trailing - American Bloodhound Club

When dogs first go out they sniff the air to lead them to an area. The distance they can get a smell on the air ranges between 50-500 yards away, and under the right conditions up to a mile. A body submerged up to 50 feet deep in water can be detected because the dog is smelling what is being carried in the air. It's unfortunately a common occurrence where I live to have someone slip into the ice and not be able to be recovered until after the ice melts. They'll stand on the shoreline and the dog will signal when they get close to the area, then they'll go out in the boat and let the dog lead them to a closer area. I think what you're asking is would a dog have to be on top of the body to smell it, and the answer is no. The dog can be 50-500 yards away from where the body is submerged.
https://outdoordogfun.com/how-far-can-a-dog-track-a-scent-outdoors/

 

[Mom24]

Anything (valuable to you) that you don't want to get wet or loose in the water. I used these bags on a kayak trip.

And yes, I would expect it to be more dirty. Unless it laid in fresh water or didn't get dirty at all. It is a material where dirt can be wiped off to some extent.

Mine is dirty and it hasn't been under water for weeks. They get kind of rough looking.

 

[MadMcGoo]

These deaths are incredibly tragic and senseless. Yes, deaths. Both of them (assuming the remains are confirmed to be Brian's). Nothing I've read or seen has indicated this outcome could have been suspected.

The beginning of each of these threads starts out: "Gabby Petito, 22, set out on a road trip with her boyfriend in a converted camper van in early July to tour National Parks...". That's the beginning of what should have been a fairytale. But something went horribly wrong, and now the world is left with a murdered young woman and likely a young man who took his own life. Not to mention the countless number of people affected by both events.

My heart hurts tonight. I'll appreciate my loved ones a little more and try harder to remember that tomorrow is never promised. I'm very grateful for all of your thoughts and opinions here!

Let it be.

 

[gngr~snap]

What date did that area become flooded?

Good question! I'll see if I can find out.
MOO
As of Sept 21 a Facebook post by the North Poing PD said it was flooded.
So definitely a month.
Could Brian Laundrie still be alive if he's in Florida's Carlton Reserve? Here's what survival experts think - CNN

 

[ZoriahNZ]

If you examine pictures of the white dry bag more closely, you can see it's not actually that clean. There's some mildew and other debris on it, IMO.



https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxn.../2021/10/918/516/BL-slideshow-3.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

 

[oc1234]

EXCLUSIVE: Brian Laundrie's parents search Florida park near North Port home

This link shows Chris going over and picking up the bag and walking back out.

Wow, doesn't seem he could have seen something of interest from the path, but he somehow knew to proceed to the bah. Odd Clip but I guess without seeing a vantage point/view from trail then need to give them some wiggle room.

 

[everybodhi]

Maybe they couldn't get close enough to where the odor was rising to the surface of the water. The depth of the water that a HRD dog can detect the scent of human remains is not what I'm asking about.

Yes, there are alot of factors in play to detect a corpse scent underwater.

Research shows value of cadaver dogs locating underwater corpses

"When a body is on land it is hoped it will stay in one place, but in water a body can move in three dimensions, so it is a lot more difficult to locate and recover"

.. research has found that the dogs can only be really effective if they can get down to the level water to clarify the scent or they may not be able to give a clear indication.
Therefore, access to the water both from the bank and particularly from a boat is crucial to the success of a search. "If the sides of the boat are too high, the dog will simply not be able to smell the water".

 

[zoomom2]

Sounds like you're talking about a trailing dog and not a HRD dog that the OP was talking about. JMO.


Tracking vs. Trailing - American Bloodhound Club

No, I'm talking about HRD dogs. I remember a conversation about DTBH or SOMEONE possibly getting new articles with scent on them precisely because of either rain or new water (possibly new running water.)

 

[customCF]

Finding your sons belongings would be a heartbreaker. Still no emotion that I would expect. Is this normal or am I just to emotional?

They may have not needed to show emotion if they already knew he was dead. They've had almost a month to come to terms with that possibility even if they didn't actually know he would be found dead. IF this is BL.

 

[RedDaisys]

for me, this is what it comes down to. The Rs told LE where they thought he was. The watched the whole fiasco unfold with swamp buggies and various types of dogs and genuine search folks mowing down the swamp. In the end BL was found right in the small picturesque park he was reported to be in. LE failed in their search attempts. The Ls found him at their first legal attempt after the park was reopened.

What kind of conclusions can the average person make from this?

This park was searched about 7-10 days ago, or so.

 

[Lillymac]

That's just... odd timing. On the other hand...I've had the same sort of odd timing loads of times in my life. Not with a deceased person, but just very odd timing with various things. So, maybe they are just very in tune with their son and something prompted them that NOW was the time to go out and look.

I agree on the odd timing as well as the parents going right to a spot and finding items. I was wondering if maybe mom or dad or both wanted to go out there to be near where they knew Brian was deceased. Just wanted to be near him one more time? Maybe they were waiting for the preserve to open back up so they cold go out together to say goodbye?

It just occurred to me that maybe that particular spot was a place BL frequented. I've heard it reported that the area was on the list CL gave the FBI, but maybe so was that spot.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Finding your sons belongings would be a heartbreaker. Still no emotion that I would expect. Is this normal or am I just to emotional?

I don't believe there is a "normal". Everyone reacts differently. Until someone loses a child they have no clue how they would react. They can imagine what they would do but who really knows?

Aside from that, they were only on camera for a few minutes after finding the bag.

 

[zoomom2]

Sounds like you're talking about a trailing dog and not a HRD dog that the OP was talking about. JMO.


Tracking vs. Trailing - American Bloodhound Club

No, I'm talking about HRD dogs. I remember a conversation about DTBH or SOMEONE possibly getting new articles with scent on them precisely because of either rain or possibly new running water. That phrase stuck in my mind specifically. Just what I remember.

 

[cady]

They may have not needed to show emotion if they already knew he was dead. They've had almost a month to come to terms with that possibility even if they didn't actually know he would be found dead. IF this is BL.

True. They may be beyond the initial grief. Although I'm sure the sadness will always be with them. jmo

 

[oc1234]

I'm guessing the remains were scattered.
I'm seeing way too much green grass to believe the area was under water for almost a month.
MOO

Good and interesting point regarding the green grass. Need to know more about Florida Wetlands, oh the things I learn on websleuths!

 

[Gemmie]

I have the same bag in turquoise. It's great. Kept everything dry in HEAVY torrential rains in Costa Rica. I hope the notebook was inside it! MOO.

There appeared to be a hole in one of the lower corners of the bag. I can't imagine how that happened unless an animal nibbled at it to get inside to get at food. Although it appears as if it were torn. I wonder what would cause a tear to a bag meant to be kept intact so the contents remained dry? Otherwise, a dry bag should NOT have a hole in it. It defeats the purpose of the bag.

Pic of hole attached.

Source: FBI will provide update after possible human remains found in manhunt for Brian Laundrie

 

[Lillymac]

I don't believe there is a "normal". Everyone reacts differently. Until someone loses a child they have no clue how they would react. They can imagine what they would do but who really knows?

Aside from that, they were only on camera for a few minutes after finding the bag.

When the Laundries were talking to the agent, they were both crying. She wiped a year from his cheek.