Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #79

[glamourkitty1922]

But what about his trial. Shouldn't we get to see all the evidence? Where is the justice in that?

How would we try a dead man? The last time that happened was the trial against Pope Formosus in 897. I think we can only hope that the evidence is released. Maybe a respected crime journalist will write a book on it. I'd read it. moo

 

[Jurisprudence]

I'm confused about the point you're trying to make? I can't see anything in the extra part you added that changes or adds to anything he said in my quote.

You quoted everything but this:

[At 9:35] Q: misdemeanor or felony charges?
Another extended pause
A: "I...I..(stutter again) don't know what level of crime or charge was um, in the mix..."

You left this out.

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[Trooper]

If Gabby wasn't dead, Brian wouldn't be dead. Period. What happened in Wyoming directly led to Brian's death.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Brian probably was always suicidal. That is a rational conclusion considering the suspected outcome, that he, in fact, has killed himself, in the swamp. That therefore, he had that tendency always, and the rationale and opportunity , plus outside pressure to do this arose.

Wyoming may be just a blip on Brian's radar. An outcome of the mindset of death being the answer to life's problems. Hence, murdering Gabby. Perhaps, and it is as reasonable a proposition, he was always intending to do this.

Murdering Gabby didn't make him, or anyone else who murders anyone suicidal. It is a chosen action commensurate with a set of circumstances where the choice to not deal with those problems is solved by ending the life that has those problems in it.

 

[CarolynAB2]

What would give the FBI that impression other than SB telling them or the FBI having evidence he returned?

In another interview, SB said that the FBI called him and said that they received a tip that BL was seen in Tampa, so the FBI wanted to go to the L home to see if he was at the home.

 

[Runswithscissorz]

How can North Port PD deny that’s an item related to the BL case? Clearly, it’s the exact same water bottle as shown in the picture posted by GP.
I believe those are stickers on it. If not, and you can purchase that water bottle with those graphics on it, then that is highly coincidental.

REI Co-op Nalgene Sustain Seek Nature Graphic Wide-Mouth Water Bottle - 32 fl. oz. | REI Co-op

 

[LietKynes]

did someone say that no DNA concistent to Brian was found on the bones sent in?

I think he was ID'd through dental records ?

 

[rleigh123]

SBM
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I am sure that all of us Websleuthers know the rules of evidence handling and find this series of events appalling. But going a step further, there have been decades of police shows, investigative series and the combination of the two that have taught us a lot. IMHO, most of John Q Public knows not to touch crime scene evidence. The actions of CL and RL at the reserve appeared to be completely nonchalant IMO.

BBM
MOO

Hi, I hope you didn't think I was trying to educate about what you already know. =)

I was responding to the idea put forth that the recently found evidence did not matter. So I can't say I agree with your first sentence! MOO

I agree that all evidence is significant. How it's been handled in this case has made for some interesting and enlightening discussion.

You might've not seen the previous posts about the evidence handling.

I see a fair amount of the public (real life, in the media, online, SM, etc) believe there isn't an issue with the way the items were handled. Reasons I've heard: the items are insignificant; the case is "over"; the crimes were committed in another state; etc.

 

[Cool Cats]

Assuming Brian planned to take his own life in Wyoming (which I personally don't believe)...

You don't think seeing his family one last time was worth the drive? Really?

I think it was emotionally important for Brian to go home and see his parents.

 

[Cool Cats]

If Gabby wasn't dead, Brian wouldn't be dead. Period. What happened in Wyoming directly led to Brian's death.

Agree.

 

[Cool Cats]

I think he was ID'd through dental records ?

Yes

 

[YohanApple]

I don't want to go back and read all the posts. Can someone fill me in on what this water bottle thing is all about?

 

[customCF]

What are y'alls thoughts on the water bottle found that could be Gabby's and the other stuff found?
Another bizarre coincidence or something else?

 

[customCF]

I don't want to go back and read all the posts. Can someone fill me in on what this water bottle thing is all about?

A water bottle was found that was exactly like the one that Gabby carried on her backpack in pictures she posted on IG and bottle was seen in the YT video as well hanging on the wall.

 

[rleigh123]

How would we try a dead man? The last time that happened was the trial against Pope Formosus in 897. I think we can only hope that the evidence is released. Maybe a respected crime journalist will write a book on it. I'd read it. moo

Many years ago, the Hollywood Fl PD declared the Adam Walsh murder case closed because they determined that Ottis Toole was his murderer.

 

[customCF]

did someone say that no DNA concistent to Brian was found on the bones sent in?

I don't remember what I was listening to earlier today but I heard the same thing.

My taxidermy theory possible?
I did talk to my taxidermist and was told it's technically possible. Even if it would be very hard to fool an "expert"
Speculation

 

[CocoTutu]

SBM
Edited to fix quote
I am sure that all of us Websleuthers know the rules of evidence handling and find this series of events appalling. But going a step further, there have been decades of police shows, investigative series and the combination of the two that have taught us a lot. IMHO, most of John Q Public knows not to touch crime scene evidence. The actions of CL and RL at the reserve appeared to be completely nonchalant IMO.

I don't think it's nonchalant at all. The sight of something belonging to your likely dead son who's likely murdered his girlfriend, with reporters following you around asking questions and video taping you-- after >a month of being under a microscope, I can't say any of us can empathize with what we'd do in that situation, but grabbing the item that you knew belonged to your son is not out of reach of an instantaneous/spontaneous reaction- particularly to protect it from the folks following you.

 

[CocoTutu]

DNA is in bone marrow.

 

[kittythehare]

I'd like to ask Nancy, if there is any way of knowing why Brian came home to Florida to die. He was a Long Island bloke, his parents , also.. they were blow ins to Florida , really.. If he wanted to be helpful, he could have driven the van to Long Island, and got the Silver Service back to Miami........but he didn't. Maybe he had formed a deep attachment to Florida, then why go camping elsewhere..??

Also. .. I don't think he killed himself, I dont think anyone else killed him, I think he was just clumsy.. It's one thing to go off into the wild with other people, who tend to look after you, and open up your granola packets, but it's a whole other thing to have to chase down a frog and gig it and cook it.

I think he just didn't know where he was walking, couldn't read the terrain, didn't understand the first principles of living off grid, much less being a fugitive from justice off grid.. stepped into what looked like shallow water and down he goes. Backpack bangs him on the head. Happens a lot.

Accidental fall?
I'm veering towards alligators again after listening to Josh policeman.. they may well have got him.. He was possibly stamping and angry with the world again..
Then again he could just as easily have been murdered.
Suicide or homicide?
I can't begin to imagine how Gabby's parents are coping ...
These aftershocks are grim and grimmer.

 

[LAhiker]

You quoted everything but this:

[At 9:35] Q: misdemeanor or felony charges?
Another extended pause
A: "I...I..(stutter again) don't know what level of crime or charge was um, in the mix..."

You left this out.

RSBM As I think others have pointed out, whether or not some deal was made, SB does not seem to be very good at hiding things. Yet another reason why his constant talking about the situation seems strategically unwise.

JMO

 

[CocoTutu]

or then again, why would you pick a most uncomfortable spot in a swamp, that's flooded... why not check into the Quest, Mantra, Hilton.... or the shed at home?? ..

If your life is miserable enough, why would he add to that misery? deliberately??.. it doesn't scan.

Sure it does. He likes nature, he might hang out for a while before he does the deed... he brings all his stuff to take his time and work up the nerve. He killed her outdoors, he puts his body in the same place. Respectfully, I believe you maybe are projecting what you'd do. People also talk about why he left Wyoming just to kill himself later? He's not in a rational frame of mind. He just killed his fiancée.