Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #79

[customCF]

I didn't see that, but the skull itself is a source of DNA.

"Bone is one of the best sources of DNA from decomposed human remains. Even after the flesh is decomposed, DNA can often be obtained from demineralized bone.

Sources - DNA Forensics Problem Set - University of Arizona"

DNA Forensics Problem Set

Now we wait and see if anything comes out about it. I still can't get the foxnews site to load for me.

 

[Balthazar]

Yes, he is wordy. But, that's the way I make sense of it because he basically says it was someone in the house that day, it wasn't R or CL or CaL and he lists everyone that was in the house for the two hours that day. Notice how he says that Cassie was not in the household at all [that day]. I'm pretty sure he just means "house." lol

[ 26:20 ] SB: Somewhere along the line, perhaps someone from the Laundrie family household, and it wasn’t Chris and Roberta, must have got the paperwork, called it in, got some kind of case number. Whatever they did, I don’t know. But, that’s how it played out.

AB: Was that Cassie? [26:43]

SB: Cassie was not in the household at all. It was Chris, Roberta…there was a representative…there was two representatives I believe from North Port PD, there was a representative from the FBI, and myself on Facetime. For two and a half hours, we gave the FBI all the information we had with respect to Brian.

IMO SB is alleging malfeasance of one of the LE personnel who were present. The only other possibility is if someone unknown to us also lives in the Laundrie house such as an elderly parent/shut-in or household help.

 

[rleigh123]

The words in your post just rekindled thoughts that I had early on in this case

GP was reported missing in NY. NY lit a fire under NPPD to investigate. The van was seized. IIRC, the FBI was involved on 9/11 or 9/12 for processing the van and possibly even seizing the van. My thought at the time was why? It would be totally understandable that NPPD might not have the experience/skills/tools/whatever resources to deal with this. But wouldn’t they call on FL state LE first? The only possible reason I could think of at that time was that the missing persons case was filed in one state, NY, and being investigated in another, FL (I don’t think that Wyoming was actively investigating at that point, only that they had been ‘notified’ by NS). Is that a thing? It seemed strange that NPPD was not initially assisted by state police but rather the FBI. I wondered at that time if the FBI already had something to investigate that tied into GP’s missing persons case.

all moo.

Yes I thought the FBI got involved because right away it involved four different states. NY, FL, UT, WY.
Plus they probably had to consult/investigate whatever state they were supposed to go after Wyoming.
Idaho, I suppose.

 

[Sillybilly]

Check back in the morning.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Good Morning Posters, and welcome to Monday Oct. 25.

The thread is now OPEN

 

[MistyWaters]

So because the remains were confirmed through dental records is that the reason it’s stated DNA wasn’t used? Each day more drama, sad how this tragedy is being stretched to the limit just to feed the talking heads. IMO

BBM

Autopsy of Brian Laundrie's remains came back inconclusive, attorney says
Brian Laundrie's remains were sent to an anthropologist "for further evaluation" after autopsy results came back inconclusive, according to the family's attorney.

“No manner or cause of death was determined," Steven Bertolino said in a statement to NBC News.

Human remains were found in Florida's Carlton Reserve on Wednesday after more than a month of searching for Laundrie, who was a person of interest in the disappearance of his fiancée, Gabby Petito, before her body was discovered in Wyoming. The remains, described as "skeletal" by the North Port Police Department, were confirmed to be Laundrie's after a review of dental records, officials said Thursday.

 

[Truth Prevails]

This is a very *high profile* case with multiple agencies involved. I have supreme confidence in the FBI crime labs. Those are BL's remains.

Amateur opinion and speculation

I agree, here. I wouldn't say my confidence is supreme, but still I'm confident.

I think the speculation is coming from this partial video linked below. I think Nancy is just stirring the pot a bit. For ratings or something maybe?

My apologies if this has been linked before:

Nancy Grace: Details surrounding Brian Laundrie's remains are 'all very vague in my mind'

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

IMO SB is alleging malfeasance of one of the LE personnel who were present. The only other possibility is if someone unknown to us also lives in the Laundrie house such as an elderly parent/shut-in or household help.

I don’t know that it’s malfeasance for LE to file the report but that was my thought, it was LE, when he said it was someone in the house and was explicit Cassie was not in the house. Anyone can file a missing persons report, I thought that LE did it so they could initiate the searches for him. What I think is more interesting is that the parents did not want one filed, I can’t reconcile that with CL saying BL was distraught/ upset, he wished he could have prevented him from leaving the house. I would think under those conditions a parent would want all the help you could get to find their child to prevent them from harming themselves unless there was a reason you did not want LE involved such as knowledge of what crime they had done. MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1452621179341131779?s=21

1/2 Tik Tok user Olivia Vitale says she found a water bottle yesterday in the Carlton Reserve matching the bottle seen in Gabby Petito’s videos.
This is the moment she says she located the bottle – close to the area Laundrie’s remains were found.

2/2
She gave the bottle to North Port Police yesterday when she brought it to the police station and filed a report.
Police confirmed to me this morning they have the bottle – and it appears to match the bottle seen in Gabby’s videos.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Brian's teeth were in a skull which had no DNA? Ok.

DNA results not back or released??

 

[Kristin Esq.]

So, SB has now said Gabby Petito was no angel. Wait, he said WHAT?

I'm trying not to pay attention to him but he's all over the place.

Yes I suppose lawyers have trashed their client's victims before.

And there have been other cases with unprofessional professionals.

And also cases that have had too much of the too bizarre.

But this case is so unusual, so unique, and so high profile, we're getting more information and details and in real time.

Unlike those countless other bizarre but quieter cases.

So yeah it make the mind reel a bit.

I've been out of the loop this weekend. Can you point me to where he said that Gabby wasn't an angel?

 

[CaffienatedOwl]

IMO SB is alleging malfeasance of one of the LE personnel who were present. The only other possibility is if someone unknown to us also lives in the Laundrie house such as an elderly parent/shut-in or household help.

Maybe it was BL

 

[Alethea]

Oh yes I'd forgotten about that! I'll bring it over just in case anyone missed it.

I also think it's interesting to point out that Brian was 23 years old. He's not a minor. His parents have no responsibility for him. If he wanted to run away, he could have told his parents he was leaving to meet with his attorney. He could have told his attorney he was traveling to California. He could have ran away and no one would have reported him missing because other people believed they knew where he was. Based on what NPPD did previously, I doubt anyone would have demanded to see him until the first arrest warrant was issued. The parents would have said he went to New York and the lawyer would have said he "is working with his client to turn himself in."

The fact that Brian ran away and was found exactly where his parents said he was makes me think that this wasn't a plan. I mean, what was the plan? Help your son run down the street and then call the feds on him?

I've said this before but if this was planned, Brian would have left the van in some small town parking lot and left the country on 9/1 and who knows how long it would have taken for anything to get started? I think this was the Brian Show and it's obviously not a high-IQ production.

 

[Chicago54]

He misspoke. He seems to have meant that one of the people who was in the house that day on Sept 17th when the FBI came to see if Brian was there. The only people there were FBI, NPPD people and R and CL. So, it was one of the LE peeps.

I’m not getting that at all. He said “household”, not “in the house”. Two completely different things. And there were four 911 calls on the17th according to these call reports released by Fox News. I just don’t see lE making the 911 call that elicited the last report of missing person. IMO someone from the household made the 911 call to report a missing person.
Brian Laundrie manhunt: Dozens of police calls to Florida home after Gabby Petito was last seen | Fox News
(I wonder if Fox has now entered another FOIA to get the reports in their entirety?)

 

[LeeJay55]

So, SB has now said Gabby Petito was no angel. Wait, he said WHAT?

I'm trying not to pay attention to him but he's all over the place.

Yes I suppose lawyers have trashed their client's victims before.

And there have been other cases with unprofessional professionals.

And also cases that have had too much of the too bizarre.

But this case is so unusual, so unique, and so high profile, we're getting more information and details and in real time.

Unlike those countless other bizarre but quieter cases.

So yeah it make the mind reel a bit.

Maybe there is a backstory that will rear its ugly head! I think there is a reason not many friends have spoken out!
Florida friends in particular!
Sometimes silence is golden!
2 young ppl are deceased nothing will change that, let them rest!

 

[elmomom]

What would constitute a “household member”? Is it more likely to be a non family member present in the house at the time (LE) or is it more likely to be an immediate family member that does not live in the house and was most likely not there at the time (not CaL or spouse, there are other possibilities but TOS)?

 

[Cindizzi]

I've been out of the loop this weekend. Can you point me to where he said that Gabby wasn't an angel?

Inside Brian Laundrie and Gabby Petito's life with his parents
The Laundries’ lawyer insisted that the family are victims as much as anyone else.

“You couldn’t write this Greek tragedy,” Steven Bertolino told The Post Friday. “Brian is not a Ted Bundy. He’s not a demon. Not a serial killer. I’m not sure that the narrative that’s been pushed — that Brian was a mean killer and Gabby was an angel — is entirely true.”

 

[Cindizzi]

Here is what NG said on TV last night that people have misconstrued to mean “ no DNA found on skull “
IMO she’s saying no DNA TEST was done to identify the skull as BL’s.
JMO she is being ridiculous.

Nancy Grace continues her quest for answers in Petito case in Fox Nation special

"More questions than answers, no DNA, no cause of death. What do we know?" the crime expert host began the special. "I don't get that the remains of so-called boyfriend Brian Laundrie have been found according to what we've been told. But it's not a full skeleton. In fact, we only heard about a skull. Then we hear about a partial skull but from that partial skull you can get a dental match? It's just all very vague in my mind."

 

[Chicago54]

I don’t know that it’s malfeasance for LE to file the report but that was my thought, it was LE, when he said it was someone in the house and was explicit Cassie was not in the house. Anyone can file a missing persons report, I thought that LE did it so they could initiate the searches for him. What I think is more interesting is that the parents did not want one filed, I can’t reconcile that with CL saying BL was distraught/ upset, he wished he could have prevented him from leaving the house. I would think under those conditions a parent would want all the help you could get to find their child to prevent them from harming themselves unless there was a reason you did not want LE involved such as knowledge of what crime they had done. MOO

Bbm

The “hesitancy” to file the missing person report, the admission of BL’s “grieving” or whatever word they are using today, initially giving the incorrect dates of both when BL was last seen and the Ls picking up the mustang, and the claim of a “4-5 hour search” by CL for BL on the 13th, are simply not adding up.

Up thread, someone added another quote from SB that says CL searched on the 14th as well! I hope BE is going through his video files from the 13-17! Iirc the changes to the L missing person timeline came only after BE disputed their claim of when the car returned to the driveway. After that tweak, SB also shifted the date BL was last seen.

The 13 was now a busy busy day. SB talks to BL. CL mows the lawn. BL goes for a hike. BL is gone long enough to cause concern. CL goes out and searches “4-5 hrs”. Reserve closes at 6pm.
Would love to see that broken down by times.
I can’t recall if BE ever figured out his 6AM or 6PM video of the Mustang in the driveway?

 

[CLGM]

LE doesn't have any real incentive to get better. And there is never any truly independent oversight to hold them accountable...

I watched a press interview with the the NP Police Chief last night (the interview was from much earlier). He was an effective, clear communicator; his remarks didn't have the personal hostility towards the Ls, which JT's did, at least in the beginning. In the long interview from yesterday, JT referred to a conversation he had with GP's dad and stepmother. JP's a bit blustery (which is fine, of course -- that's his personality and he was desperate to find his daughter), but it felt like JT took things on personally, and that's fine, too. But he's the NPPD's PR person, and his personal feelings shouldn't come into what he says and how he says it in his public statements -- he can rant and rave privately. Was it a strategy for him to come off the way he did early on to put pressure on the Laundries? Maybe it was, but I'm not sure. He could have matter-of-factly said something like: GP is missing; we have her van back here; and we know BT is here, as well. We don't know what happened, but we will not stop until we find out. And that would have been enough. All my own opinion -- just my own thoughts.

But what my ultimate point is is that the NPPD officers were no doubt (IMO) doing their job diligently and professionally at all times -- it was a chaotic time (JT said in the interview over the weekend that they didn't know what they had at the beginning) with intense focus, plus I wonder how much training there is for small local PDs to coordinate work with the FBI (and from 3 different areas of the country) and it was all happening so fast. They had no idea of GP was alive or hurt. A suspect stonewalling doesn't seem like something that never happens or that LE isn't equipped to handle.

TLDR: the NPPD worked swiftly and competently and collaboratively with the FBI (IMO), but JT wasn't a great advocate for the work they were doing (IMO). And it might have been better to hear from the NPPD Police Chief directly more often.