Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #84

[Deleted member 39678]

I mean in my opinion, I think the Petito's are aware the Laundrie's are magical people and magical people can do magical things - especially with magical lawyers.

We all watched on TV -said magic- the day they walked into the reserve and in less than a few hours walked out with their son's belongings & inadvertently his bones were discovered nearby - -when trained FBI and most of the local law enforcement spent weeks/money/dogs/fancy equipment/ and found nothing.

So my cheers to the Petito's attempt to dispel all that magic...

I never thought anything in this case was magical.

 

[TL4S]

I never thought anything in this case was magical.

Me neither. The FBI's final release talks about the search, how that area was under water. It wasn't magic, it was a complicated recovery operation.

 

[TL4S]

When the FBI release came out, I was really surprised that GP's date of death was not listed. They simply referred to the coroner's timetable of approx. three weeks prior to her being found. Yet in their own investigation, with all the digital data, they didn't determine an exact date of death? Or did they just not list it? Is that typical? Or was it withheld for a reason?

 

[BeachSky]

Yes, I'm sure that is the emotion GP's parents feel. But in the eyes of the world, and the law, these were not children, they were both adults.

Your child is “your child” your/their/ entire life.

 

[acutename]

Re: allegations-- It's unclear to me how the P's will prove their numbers were blocked much less prove RL did it, not BL. I don't believe the phone company records will show blocking if the blocking was done at the level of the phone (vs being done by the phone company) But I'm not sure about that. Regardless, my question has to do with how the P's have gathered whatever evidence they have (assuming they actually have any evidence at this point. They may not.) For example, would the FBI or other LE just hand over the evidence they've gathered to one party to file a civil suit? Or did it have to be subpoenaed? Could it have been subpoenaed in advance of any case filing?
TIA

not sure what phones anyone was using but I believe that the blocked calls would
show up- also not sure if some one can say "some one else programmed my phone; I did not know what was going on." That seems weak for an adult, though for sure as phones and apps become ever more complex, it might be. I also am not sure it is illegal or negligent to refuse calls from somebody. If I put myself in the position of the Ps and I could not contact G and I also could not contact B or the Ls, I would be alarmed. As sad as this case is, maybe we will learn something about phone technology and law from it.

 

[MountainGal33]

I never thought anything in this case was magical.

I am talking about the Laundrie's behavior - and the "suspension of disbelief" one had to have to actual believe anything they said/didn't say or their actions. How stupid do they think we all are?

Not knowing where their son is?
Changing the dates of his walking out?
Not saying anything about a missing gun.
Not answering the phone?
Not responding to texts?
No public message when their own son dissappeared. No plea for his safe return.
Going on a family picnic when their son came back without Gabby.
Finding their son's belongings over an entire police force and FBI in 2 hours, because they have what magic powers? Is that what the expected the Petito's to believe, oh look there's his bag and diary what luck we have today?

I am making a personal point of how ridiculous it was.

Their behavior reeked of gaslighting. That is why the country was in an uproar.

I hope the Petito's prevail.

If I feel this way; I can't imagine the level of mental pain they must feel/felt.

The insanity of it all.

It's all just moo

 

[JusticeWaits]

Has anyone obtained a copy of the lawsuit and posted the filing yet?

Edit: I found it: PDF: Brian Laundrie Suit | PDF

 

[NCWatcher]

not sure what phones anyone was using but I believe that the blocked calls would
show up- also not sure if some one can say "some one else programmed my phone; I did not know what was going on." That seems weak for an adult, though for sure as phones and apps become ever more complex, it might be. I also am not sure it is illegal or negligent to refuse calls from somebody. If I put myself in the position of the Ps and I could not contact G and I also could not contact B or the Ls, I would be alarmed. As sad as this case is, maybe we will learn something about phone technology and law from it.

On any cell service & phones I know of blocked calls go to voicemail. Sometimes the caller hears one ring. On my service from Verizon, a blocked caller hears the exact same thing everybody hears when a phone is turned off temporarily. But I don't think the phone company can attest to which numbers I've blocked on my phone. If I want some other sort of block so that calls are stopped higher up the line so not even voicemail gets through, then the phone company would know because I think the company would have to do it (if those kinds of blocks are still possible.)

Blocking a number on the phone is hardly "programming the phone" though. It takes about 10 seconds. I could easily see someone else in the house besides the phone owner blocking a particular number in a variety of situations. In this case I'd be hard pressed to argue RL had a stronger motive to block calls from the P's than BL did. But I agree it's hardly illegal to refuse particular calls or even to refuse to answer the phone altogether.

JMO

 

[CaffienatedOwl]

Has anyone obtained a copy of the lawsuit and posted the filing yet?

Check back a page or 2, I saw it posted.

 

[wary]

On any cell service & phones I know of blocked calls go to voicemail. Sometimes the caller hears one ring. On my service from Verizon, a blocked caller hears the exact same thing everybody hears when a phone is turned off temporarily. But I don't think the phone company can attest to which numbers I've blocked on my phone. If I want some other sort of block so that calls are stopped higher up the line so not even voicemail gets through, then the phone company would know because I think the company would have to do it (if those kinds of blocks are still possible.)

Blocking a number on the phone is hardly "programming the phone" though. It takes about 10 seconds. I could easily see someone else in the house besides the phone owner blocking a particular number in a variety of situations. In this case I'd be hard pressed to argue RL had a stronger motive to block calls from the P's than BL did. But I agree it's hardly illegal to refuse particular calls or even to refuse to answer the phone altogether.

JMO

<modsnip>

Let’s assume that they knew GP’s body was <modsnip> out somewhere in the wilderness, <modsnip> and they knew that GP’s parents had no idea what had become of her, and were riding that crazy roller coaster of terror to hope, hour after hour, day after day.

Let’s forget for a moment about what’s legal. Did they have a moral right to stay silent?

 

[Kristin Esq.]

Re: allegations-- It's unclear to me how the P's will prove their numbers were blocked much less prove RL did it, not BL. I don't believe the phone company records will show blocking if the blocking was done at the level of the phone (vs being done by the phone company) But I'm not sure about that. Regardless, my question has to do with how the P's have gathered whatever evidence they have (assuming they actually have any evidence at this point. They may not.) For example, would the FBI or other LE just hand over the evidence they've gathered to one party to file a civil suit? Or did it have to be subpoenaed? Could it have been subpoenaed in advance of any case filing?
TIA

I'm not sure if they FBI or LE would have handed anything over. But we do know that the Petitos were meeting with the FBI in Jan. (Gabby Petito family meets with FBI in Tampa). Even if they didn't hand over information then, they could have told them information that would then be later subpoenaed. Usually subpoenas are served after the filing. However, I don't know if FL handles things differently.

 

[Kristin Esq.]

If the Laundries did talk to Bertolino on August 28th can they be forced to disclose what was discussed? Or does attorney client privilege apply? Thanks.

It depends on whether at that meeting on the 28th they had agreed to go into a lawyer-client relationship for this matter, but just paid the retainer later.

ETA: Bertolino is going to 100% claim A/C priv.

 

[Kristin Esq.]

<modsnip>

Let’s assume that they knew GP’s body was <modsnip> out somewhere in the wilderness, <modsnip> and they knew that GP’s parents had no idea what had become of her, and were riding that crazy roller coaster of terror to hope, hour after hour, day after day.

Let’s forget for a moment about what’s legal. Did they have a moral right to stay silent?

Typical lawyer response: That depends.....

 

[TL4S]

The osteological report puts postmortem interval at 47.4 to 672.4 days from date of test. The skeletal remains were accepted on Oct 22 for examination, but it isn't clear what date the postmortem interval is being compared to. If it's Oct. 22, that put DOD on Sept 5 or earlier, so I'm not sure if there is a later date to compare to, a margin of error, or what.

Either way, it's clear to me that BL did not go out there and survive for awhile. The FBI stated that the area had been searched, but was underwater. Reports also indicates the Ls had told LE that was one of the locations BL frequented in that park.

So, why is it so suspicious that the Ls found belongings so soon after the water receded? It seems to me people are suggesting that either they fully knew he was leaving to kill himself and didn't tell anyone for days, or they killed him themselves.

 

[Shamrock1]

not sure what phones anyone was using but I believe that the blocked calls would
show up- also not sure if some one can say "some one else programmed my phone; I did not know what was going on." That seems weak for an adult, though for sure as phones and apps become ever more complex, it might be. I also am not sure it is illegal or negligent to refuse calls from somebody. If I put myself in the position of the Ps and I could not contact G and I also could not contact B or the Ls, I would be alarmed. As sad as this case is, maybe we will learn something about phone technology and law from it.

The complaint is extremely poorly-written, to put it mildly. It’s borderline sanctionable, IMO, and I’m sure many tort & civil procedure professors will distribute this complaint to their students on Monday. A negligence cause of action requires four things: duty, breach of duty, causation, and damages. This complaint, on its face, is missing the first two elements.

I presume the claim is that Ls owed a duty to communicate with Ps or that Ls owed a duty to Ps to communicate with LE. Those duties don’t exist IMO.

 

[JusticeWaits]

Bertolino made a statement to JB:

He stated that his clients had no obligation to speak to anyone and that the Petitos claims are baseless.

I agree with Bertolino. I expect that the lawsuit will be summarily dismissed. By keeping silent, the Laundries were exercising their constitutional rights against self-incrimination to any criminal charge that they conspired to help their son escape. I believe their constitutional rights against self-incrimination would be senior to any implied right of the Pepitos to know what happened to Gabby . Besides, the Pepitos learned what happened to Gabby when her body was found. Gabby was already deceased, and nothing the Laundries did or did not do would have changed that.

The filing attorney for the Pepitos was Patrick J. Reilly, Esq. of Venice, FL. I looked up the attorney profile for Reilley and he seems to be an experienced and reputable attorney. "Patrick J. Reilly is a native of Lehigh Valley, PA., and has been practicing law since 1980. He is licensed to practice both in Florida and Pennsylvania. He was a partner with the firm of Gross McGinley, LLP in Allentown, PA. for 33 years, establishing a stellar reputation as a litigator in complex civil, commercial, and criminal litigation in both state and federal courts."

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It depends on whether at that meeting on the 28th they had agreed to go into a lawyer-client relationship for this matter, but just paid the retainer later.

ETA: Bertolino is going to 100% claim A/C priv.

Thanks. So it looks to me that the only way the Petito's can show in court that the Laundries knew Gabby was dead on August 28th is if they volunteer that information.

I don't see that happening. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I am talking about the Laundrie's behavior - and the "suspension of disbelief" one had to have to actual believe anything they said/didn't say or their actions. How stupid do they think we all are?

Not knowing where their son is?
Changing the dates of his walking out?
Not saying anything about a missing gun.
Not answering the phone?
Not responding to texts?
No public message when their own son dissappeared. No plea for his safe return.
Going on a family picnic when their son came back without Gabby.
Finding their son's belongings over an entire police force and FBI in 2 hours, because they have what magic powers? Is that what the expected the Petito's to believe, oh look there's his bag and diary what luck we have today?

I am making a personal point of how ridiculous it was.

Their behavior reeked of gaslighting. That is why the country was in an uproar.

I hope the Petito's prevail.

If I feel this way; I can't imagine the level of mental pain they must feel/felt.

The insanity of it all.

It's all just moo

I don't think the Laundries did anything wrong.

 

[LeBlack]

I don't think the Laundries did anything wrong.

Legally or morally?

They blocked Gabby's parents on all forms of communication while she was "missing"

 

[Gemmie]

Here’s the suit:

PDF: Brian Laundrie Suit | PDF

Lawsuit claims Brian Laundrie's parents knew about Gabby Petito's murder

One thing that's missing from the suit timeline, that I feel may be important (because it's sure strange), is the fact that Brian and father cleared out and closed BL & GP's storage unit when BL flew home for a week on 8/17. I always found it odd that he did that. Sure, it was before she was killed, but maybe it's what caused the argument which I think may have been what started this ugly ball rolling.

I looked up one North Point storage unit business and you can get a 5X5 unit for $59 a month. That's pretty darn cheap and isn't going to drain the pocketbook enough to warrant him leaving Gabby alone for a week. I can't imagine they'd need a huge unit at their age. Speaking from experience it takes decades to amass a bunch of 'stuff'. lol At their age I had hardly any possessions, just the very basics.

Laundrie flew to Tampa from Salt Lake City on August 17 and returned to Salt Lake City on August 23 to "rejoin" Petito on the couple's "van life" road trip, the attorney, Steven Bertolino, told Insider.

Considering she was murdered by him, and the fact it seems odd to leave a single woman alone for a week in an unfamiliar place when she didn't like driving the van... why in the world would he feel compelled to leave her for a week and clean out and close their locker? Maybe it has nothing to do with her murder but it sure is an odd thing for a person to do IMHO.

Brian Laundrie flew home to Florida during cross-country road trip with Gabby Petito to 'empty and close' storage unit: lawyer

Note that I am not saying this particular place was their unit, I was simply trying to get an estimate of costs in that general area. Storage Units in North Port, FL on Bobcat Village Center Rd