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HER FATE IS IN YOUR HANDS

  • GUILTY, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

    Votes: 48 54.5%
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    Votes: 40 45.5%

  • Total voters
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Ad hominem.

WHAT? How was I attacking anyone personally? It's an established fact: touch DNA is far more sensitive than older DNA testing methods.

Let me know when you've got something, OK? I can wait.

Don't test me, HOTYH. You wouldn't like the result.

The idea that someone besides the DNA owner unwittingly deposited someone elses DNA twice at a murder scene is absurd.

I'm not the one you need to tell that to.

It requires the DNA owner to be innocent, to have an alibi. The probability is really low in comparison to direct transfer, and thats why its an absurd idea.

It might help your argument if we could actually FIND the owner.
 
WHAT? How was I attacking anyone personally? It's an established fact: touch DNA is far more sensitive than older DNA testing methods.



Don't test me, HOTYH. You wouldn't like the result.



I'm not the one you need to tell that to.



It might help your argument if we could actually FIND the owner.

I know we don't have a touch DNA expert among us. If we did, they would probably testify that the odds of this DNA being present in these locations and in these amounts innocently could be compared with an asteroid strike. I believe that this is the position you've been trying to defend.
 
I know we don't have a touch DNA expert among us. If we did, they would probably testify that the odds of this DNA being present in these locations and in these amounts innocently could be compared with an asteroid strike. I believe that this is the position you've been trying to defend.

That's right.
Plus, fibers are far more abundant than DNA. No comparison. If those fibers are from Patsy's jacket, where is her DNA? Where is her DNA on the garrote?

Has LHP taken a lie detector test?
 
It might help your argument if we could actually FIND the owner.

Finding this DNA was supremely important because it raised the likelihood that an intruder actually killed JBR. The probability of intruder is now raised beyond a reasonable doubt.

This might seem odd to you, but finding the owner of this DNA is not as significant as you might think. Believe it or not, its not necessarily a case closer.
 
Finding this DNA was supremely important because it raised the likelihood that an intruder actually killed JBR. The probability of intruder is now raised beyond a reasonable doubt.

This might seem odd to you, but finding the owner of this DNA is not as significant as you might think. Believe it or not, its not necessarily a case closer.

No, absolutely not. I don't know if this DNA is the killer or his accomplice, but whatever it IS, what it ISN'T is RDI!!
 
No, absolutely not. I don't know if this DNA is the killer or his accomplice, but whatever it IS, what it ISN'T is RDI!!

As usual, MurriFlower is sharper than any two-edged sword, rightly dividing chaff and truth. She says more in two sentences than the rest of us combined say in volumes.
 
That's right.
Plus, fibers are far more abundant than DNA. No comparison.

You have it just the other way around.

If those fibers are from Patsy's jacket, where is her DNA? Where is her DNA on the garrote?

Good questions. That's what I was trying to find out before I got the "state secret" treatment.
 
You have it just the other way around.

How do you figure? Do you believe there's more random DNA than fiber?

Good questions. That's what I was trying to find out before I got the "state secret" treatment.

I presume you're referring to Bode.

Mum IS the word, I have to agree. Aside from ML's letter, the FBI, BPD, CBI, etc. are pretty darned quiet. Cold case status almost doesn't explain the lack of comments or even a side remark.

Some believed the silence was to protect a minor, which was one of the first on my list of totally absurd ideas. I'll never accuse RDI of not exploring each and every one of the possible RDI scenarios, no matter how astronomically remote!

But wait, is there another reason why it would be a 'state secret'?
 
I don't look at the male DNA as being placed twice. It was ONE occurrence, on two garments. It was left at the same time. It's not like the donor deposited it on two separate occasions.
One thing is correct, though. An identified donor does NOT necessarily mean case closed.
There is something that bothers me, though about the two locations. Gotta try to sort it out a bit.
 
I don't look at the male DNA as being placed twice. It was ONE occurrence, on two garments. It was left at the same time. It's not like the donor deposited it on two separate occasions.
One thing is correct, though. An identified donor does NOT necessarily mean case closed.
There is something that bothers me, though about the two locations. Gotta try to sort it out a bit.

Someone did the killing and sexual assault. Someone wiped and redressed her. Was this one or two people? I think if you're IDI the problem will be - was the DNA left by the killer or his accomplice? That why the DNA by itself is not case closed.
 
How do you figure? Do you believe there's more random DNA than fiber?

That's right, friend. I'm not the only one, either.

I presume you're referring to Bode.

Right again.

Mum IS the word, I have to agree. Aside from ML's letter, the FBI, BPD, CBI, etc. are pretty darned quiet. Cold case status almost doesn't explain the lack of comments or even a side remark.

You're batting a thousand today, HOTYH. There does seem to be something wrong about the whole thing.

Some believed the silence was to protect a minor, which was one of the first on my list of totally absurd ideas.

I remember it.

I'll never accuse RDI of not exploring each and every one of the possible RDI scenarios, no matter how astronomically remote!

I'll take that as a compliment!

But wait, is there another reason why it would be a 'state secret'?

That's a can of worms in and of itself.
 
That's right, friend. I'm not the only one, either.
Right again.
You're batting a thousand today, HOTYH. There does seem to be something wrong about the whole thing. I remember it.
I'll take that as a compliment!
That's a can of worms in and of itself.

IOW, I have no clue.

Oh the pain!
 
OK, who else besides you believes there's more DNA than fiber? Source requested.

Based on things he's said, Henry Lee. There was also the criminologist that Bill O'Reilly talked to. I can't remember her name just now. I'll have to dig that one back up. Then, there's the pundit/lawyer I keep mentioning. But wild bulls couldn't drag THAT name out of me. I don't need that headache on top of everything else.
 
Based on things he's said, Henry Lee. There was also the criminologist that Bill O'Reilly talked to. I can't remember her name just now. I'll have to dig that one back up. Then, there's the pundit/lawyer I keep mentioning. But wild bulls couldn't drag THAT name out of me. I don't need that headache on top of everything else.

Oh the pain!
 
Based on things he's said, Henry Lee. There was also the criminologist that Bill O'Reilly talked to. I can't remember her name just now. I'll have to dig that one back up. Then, there's the pundit/lawyer I keep mentioning. But wild bulls couldn't drag THAT name out of me. I don't need that headache on top of everything else.

There is no source here. What was the actual quote that led you to believe there's more DNA than fiber?

A source is not merely a name; it needs to be verifiable. If its an interview then what were the words? If it was an article then what was the publication? See what I mean? But I think you already know what a source is/isn't.

I'll not ask you for your source again. I figure you're saying what you want to say, stating some things as fact, with near impunity as this is part of your style. I'd hate to impinge on you style with something so tedious and insulting as asking for a source.
 

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