Zellner Tweets

[Karinna]

I totally agree with you IDK. It should have happened long before now for Brendan especially IMO

I have had a family emergency in the last 24 hours, but have been able to keep reading (it sure helps pass the time in the hospital lol) There was also an interesting tweet that ZK liked, it was from Greisbach, who tweeted her:

Michael Griesbach‏@MCGriesbach 1d1 day ago
More
Michael Griesbach Retweeted Michael Griesbach
@ZellnerLaw Along the same lines as the Pace Law prof's article you just tweeted. Could not agree more.Michael Griesbach added,
Michael Griesbach@MCGriesbach
Famous passage from Berger v. United States, U.S. Sup Ct, (1935). If only the prosecutor from Avery's 1985 case... http://fb.me/16TOeFhKA​

In response to this tweet I believe:

Kathleen Zellner‏@ZellnerLaw Feb 21
More
What an ethical prosecutor does if he thinks a defendant is innocent. @lifeafterten @EFMoriarty @MakingAMurderer
http://www.hofstralawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/BB.4.Gershman.pdf …​

She also liked a tweet that was in response to one of KK's gf's tweets (do we all actually believe this is her and not him ??lol)

anyway, it can be seen under KZ's "likes" on twitter ;-)

Hi missy, hope all will be okay there. And thanks for posting up the info.

 

[IDK]

Do they even really do that, LOL. Sometimes i think some people get a kick out of just being contrary too, even if the facts smack them upside the head.
It's like watching a comedy of errors unfold,

Yes it is, for sure!

 

[missy1974]

Thanks IDK and Karinna, it's greatly appreciated

The reading was a great distraction and hoping that we continue to get more information so it will continue to be a distraction ;-) Which, like Karinna points out.... this is a longgggggg process!

 

[dexter75]

From what I have been reading... KK's book has MANY "alternative facts" in his book, and really, anyone that has access to the CASO reports can check the validity of some of his statements, no matter what side of the fence someone is on. But I will take those "alternative facts" to the appropriate thread ....

Maybe we should start an " alternative facts " thread??

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk

 

[Karinna]

Thanks IDK and Karinna, it's greatly appreciated

The reading was a great distraction and hoping that we continue to get more information so it will continue to be a distraction ;-) Which, like Karinna points out.... this is a longgggggg process!

You're welcome missy, and glad it helped, As i said hope all is good and thoughts are with you.
And yes, the wheels of justice turn very slowly.
Miscarriages of Justice: The Impact of Wrongful Imprisonment
INTRODUCTION

In recent years, the problem of wrongful conviction has become an accepted reality in most common law jurisdictions. High profile cases tend not only to draw our attention to the detrimental effects of a wrongful conviction on an individual, but also to point out how aspects of the criminal justice process have failed. Research has now amply demonstrated that a number of factors, generally occurring together to varying degrees, contribute to wrongful conviction and imprisonment. They include: erroneous eyewitness identification and testimony, police and prosecutorial misconduct, false confessions, over-reliance on in-custody informants, and unsound forensic science or its misuse. While the majority of this research has emanated from the United States (Huff 2004), it is, nonetheless, relevant in the Canadian context given our similar common law, adversarial systems. Furthermore, recent research has demonstrated that similar contributing factors occur in Canada as well (Denov and Campbell 2003).
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/jr13/p5a.html#ftn2

 

[dexter75]

I love it too when some people say KZ should of had Avery out of jail by now, being ignorant of the fact it takes a long time to unconvict the wrongly convicted. In her interview she stated herself the longest one she had took 3 years. But some just ignore that. She tweets IMO a little bit of info. that lets people know she is on it and we just need to be patient for the rest.

Agree Karrina.
Anyone who knows anything about the justice system knows nothing happens overnight.
And to compare Kachinsky to Zellner??
Those two aren't even playing the same sport, nevermind the difference in leagues. LMBO!!!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk

 

[missy1974]

Maybe we should start an " alternative facts " thread??

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk

Or we can just put it in the KK book thread?

 

[Karinna]

Looks like wrongful convictions remain problematic everywhere, and maybe its time to overhaul the justice systems to avoid the problem in future cases. Because once someone is wrongfully incarcerated it is very difficult to unconvict. I think about poor BD still awaiting his fate and how much longer that will take?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I totally agree with you IDK. It should have happened long before now for Brendan especially IMO

I have had a family emergency in the last 24 hours, but have been able to keep reading (it sure helps pass the time in the hospital lol) There was also an interesting tweet that ZK liked, it was from Greisbach, who tweeted her:

Michael Griesbach‏@MCGriesbach 1d1 day ago
More
Michael Griesbach Retweeted Michael Griesbach
@ZellnerLaw Along the same lines as the Pace Law prof's article you just tweeted. Could not agree more.Michael Griesbach added,
Michael Griesbach@MCGriesbach
Famous passage from Berger v. United States, U.S. Sup Ct, (1935). If only the prosecutor from Avery's 1985 case... http://fb.me/16TOeFhKA​

In response to this tweet I believe:

Kathleen Zellner‏@ZellnerLaw Feb 21
More
What an ethical prosecutor does if he thinks a defendant is innocent. @lifeafterten @EFMoriarty @MakingAMurderer
http://www.hofstralawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/BB.4.Gershman.pdf …​

She also liked a tweet that was in response to one of KK's gf's tweets (do we all actually believe this is her and not him ??lol)

anyway, it can be seen under KZ's "likes" on twitter ;-)

.
First and foremost~~sending prayers for a speedy recovery for your loved one Missy!!! :balloons:

I did have a question regarding MG though? Didn't he believe SA was guilty?

...and YES, I totally believe KK is behind his g/f's posts.

 

[missy1974]

.
First and foremost~~sending prayers for a speedy recovery for your loved one Missy!!! :balloons:

I did have a question regarding MG though? Didn't he believe SA was guilty?

...and YES, I totally believe KK is behind his g/f's posts.

Thanks BCA

as for MG... he is talking about SA's 1985 case. I had a quick look at his FB page, and I see he made another post in regards to it too...

Lost in the misplaced criticism of the authorities in Avery 2 is the real story of abuse of power in Avery 1. It's one more tragedy in a crime saga that has bedeviled our county for thirty-two years.
http://www.wisbar.org/newspublications/…/pages/article.aspx…


I thought it was interesting. :thinking:

ETA: I copied the above and it doesn't link properly so here is the direct link to what he linked in his post: http://www.wisbar.org/newspublicati...article.aspx?Volume=84&Issue=3&ArticleID=2364

 

[dexter75]

Or we can just put it in the KK book thread?

Yes, should probably list them there. It would be interesting to see those for sure😆😆😆

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk

 

[Saul Vesalot]

From the article Missy provided:

As the talking-head prosecutor on Nancy Grace screamed at the time, “The real crime is they let him out in the first place – thanks a lot, Wisconsin Innocence Project!”

Whoa. How repulsive. What sort of moron is angry that a man is let out of prison when it is demonstrated he was wrongly convicted? This idiot probably writes forwards in poorly written books.

Interesting read by the way, Missy.
But he does say some....specious things. Like this:

He considered prison his home, a place to which he was almost destined to return, and the prospect of returning there did nothing to deter him from committing murder.

I've never seen anything that supports this. I imagine Avery does handle prison fairly well, having spent so much time there, but I haven't seen anything that says he's loving it.
He supports that idea with this quote:

Sometimes, I feel like it’s easier in there,” he said a few months after moving into an ice shanty with its jail-like confines, “some days, just put me back there, get it all over with.”[SUP]4[/SUP]

And for people who can handle prison, prison IS simpler. There are no bills, no jobs you have to go to. All of your decisions are made for you. Food is provided for, as well as medical....to an extent. You have few real decisions you have to make. But it isn't always easier and the ways it is harder can be MUCH harder than on the outside. I think people who feel life is easier in prison have a lot of similarities to people suffering PTSD.

But sometimes not wanting to have to make it on your own is far from wanting to be in prison so bad you murder someone. Though I guess that might sort of poorly explain why he did such a bad job of hiding it.

First, how frequently do wrongful convictions occur? The short answer is, not very. Concurring in a 2006 U.S. Supreme Court death penalty decision, Justice Antonin Scalia estimated the rate of wrongful convictions in felony cases to be less than three-hundredths of one percent – 0.027 percent to be exact.

This also caught my eye as tremendously poor reasoning. Relying on Scalia's estimation....As far as I am aware Scalia was not a wrongful conviction expert and a quick look turned up research from Ohio State that suggests there are 10,000 wrongful convictions a year.
https://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/ronhuff.htm
A second puts it at 5,000-10,000
https://wrongfulconvictionsblog.org...iction-rate-in-u-s-at-5000-to-10000-per-year/
If we pretend for a second that really is .027 percent, 5000-10000 is a gut wrenching number to dismiss as "not very" many.

While the prosecutor at his best is one of the most beneficent forces in our society, when he acts from malice or other base motives, he is one of the worst.”

-Judge Robert Jackson. Great quote.
Anyone graduating from law school ought to get this tattooed on their chest. Hah

Anyways, far from a perfect article, but it is always nice to see someone who thinks Avery is guilty taking a look at the big picture problems that the Halbach murder highlights instead of patting themselves on the back.

 

[proudfootz]

Agree Karrina.
Anyone who knows anything about the justice system knows nothing happens overnight.
And to compare Kachinsky to Zellner??
Those two aren't even playing the same sport, nevermind the difference in leagues. LMBO!!!

It's strange that some people seem to think if you just tell a journalist about new evidence in a case it will mean a prisoner will be immediately released.

The proper place is in a court before a judge, and getting the case heard in the first place isn't easy.

MOO

 

[proudfootz]

Sounds like Ken Kratz has gone off the rails and I'm not surprised. We know he has a propensity for drug abuse and sexual harassment (sexual assault as well?) So what are a few lies and misrepresentations to him? Really the man is despicable. (and I've heard his girlfriend is no prize either)

I tend to take a longer view of these matters. There is no instant gratification when it comes to justice. Someday I truly believe that the truth will come to light and all those who have cheated and lied will be held accountable.I just wish it could happen sooner rather than later for Brendan and Steven's sakes.

Sadly, corrupt prosecutors do irreparable harm and sometimes their 'mistakes' aren't caught in time for their victims to see justice.

As district attorney of Dallas for an unprecedented 36 years, Henry Wade was the embodiment of Texas justice.
A strapping 6-footer with a square jaw and a half-chewed cigar clamped between his teeth, The Chief, as he was known, prosecuted Jack Ruby. He was the Wade in Roe v. Wade. And he compiled a conviction rate so impressive that defense attorneys ruefully called themselves the 7 Percent Club.


But now, seven years after Wade's death, The Chief's legacy is taking a beating.


Nineteen convictions — three for murder and the rest involving rape or burglary — won by Wade and two successors who trained under him have been overturned after DNA evidence exonerated the defendants. About 250 more cases are under review.


No other county in America — and almost no state, for that matter — has freed more innocent people from prison in recent years than Dallas County, where Wade was DA from 1951 through 1986.



http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25917791/...as-das-death-convictions-undone/#.WK62GH81yxk

This guy frequently got juries to apply the death penalty.

I look on them as no better that serial killers.

 

[IDK]

Sadly, corrupt prosecutors do irreparable harm and sometimes their 'mistakes' aren't caught in time for their victims to see justice.

As district attorney of Dallas for an unprecedented 36 years, Henry Wade was the embodiment of Texas justice.
A strapping 6-footer with a square jaw and a half-chewed cigar clamped between his teeth, The Chief, as he was known, prosecuted Jack Ruby. He was the Wade in Roe v. Wade. And he compiled a conviction rate so impressive that defense attorneys ruefully called themselves the 7 Percent Club.


But now, seven years after Wade's death, The Chief's legacy is taking a beating.


Nineteen convictions — three for murder and the rest involving rape or burglary — won by Wade and two successors who trained under him have been overturned after DNA evidence exonerated the defendants. About 250 more cases are under review.


No other county in America — and almost no state, for that matter — has freed more innocent people from prison in recent years than Dallas County, where Wade was DA from 1951 through 1986.



http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25917791/...as-das-death-convictions-undone/#.WK62GH81yxk

This guy frequently got juries to apply the death penalty.

I look on them as no better that serial killers.

Wow, I totally agree. Nineteen exonerations from one county alone??? Horrible.

 

[proudfootz]

...and at the time of the article 250 more cases under review!

Another example of how corrupt individuals can corrupt a whole organization, and ruin the lives of many more.

 

[proudfootz]

Kathleen Zellner‏@ZellnerLaw [video=twitter;834937740613550083]https://twitter.com/ZellnerLaw/status/834937740613550083[/video]




Bought 50 today to send to every prosecutor I know. Corrupt cops framing a fellow cop. #MakingAMurderer

 

[missy1974]

This has since been deleted.... but it loaded in my feed, so grabbed it before it went bye-bye.

Her profile picture was different again, and is now back to the Newsweek photo.

So ahead of schedule? I wonder if she has results back? Or does she mean ahead of what would be a normal schedule, considering these cases usually take years, not months or weeks?

#Inittowinit :biggrin:

 

[Karinna]

I think what i find highly unlikely in the case as i have read elsewhere & agree with very strongly is the absolute impeccable timing of when TH went missing and what then happened to her. Really what are the odds of that happening in the real world? SA is just about to go to Court to have his civil case heard and voila, TH turns up missing and SA is arrested for murder. That civil case was never going to be heard IMO and they made damn sure of that. Too many people would of had their goose cooked if that had of gone ahead.

 

[proudfootz]

Just as a reference, on another site a poster has collected all the tweets together and there is a following post with some sorting:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMa...post_update_the_history_of_kathleen_zellners/