ZFG Civil Case: Casey's Deposition #2

[Chilly Willy]

Shouldn't your outrage begin with FCA's abuse of the court and probation system...ZG hasn't wasted a fraction of a fraction of what FCA and her team(s) have.

As a criminal defendant Casey had a right to a trial. That is not an abuse of the court system, it's justice. Casey's motivation was to avoid life in prison, not financial gain or to become a media star - unfortunately, the system failed Caylee.

Morgan and ZG's motivation is NOT justice and it's not noble, it's money and ego, pure and simple. It's so obvious to me, I can't understand why others can't see it.

EDIT TO ADD - above is IMO

 

[bayouland]

I think Morgan's motivation is a combination of a number of things, notoriety, attempting to get admissions from Casey (which isn't going to happen), having too big an ego to admit he has egg on his face and drop the suit, and, as we agreed, wanting to the "the" attorney. At first it bothered me because I felt he was using ZG as a pawn but I've since come to realize that ZG has her own motivation for being involved and it has nothing to do with justice, IMO. I think it's sad that Morgan is abusing the court system and the Florida taxpayers to pay for his ego stroking. If I were a resident of Florida, I'd be outraged.

Chump change compared to Casey Anthony and team, eh? Orange County will never see the money they spent looking for a missing child that was dead.

I am not a resident but this would make me much more furious than a simple civil suit. The costs are not comparable at all.

All JMO

 

[Chilly Willy]

how do you feel about Mr Mason and Mr Baez?
how do you feel about their targeting the searchers on the State of Florida's dime while knowing there was no reason to? would you consider them the same as your low opinion of Mr Morgan?
not snark, a legit question because I really don't know and am curious.

I have no respect for either of them. Perhaps I live in a fantasy world, but I'd like to believe there are attorneys who are honest, decent people who actually work for justice and right rather than playing the "may the better shyster win" game. We've seen none of that in anything revolving around Casey Anthony. The saddest part, IMO, is that IF the media and public hadn't latched on to this case, Casey would be serving a life sentence, IMO.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Chump change compared to Casey Anthony and team, eh? Orange County will never see the money they spent looking for a missing child that was dead.

I am not a resident but this would make me much more furious than a simple civil suit. The costs are not comparable at all.

All JMO

That's why I'm not trying to compare them. I hate to think that in Florida it's perfectly acceptable for citizens to abuse the taxpayer's money so long as it's to a lesser amount than the county spent on Casey Anthony.

 

[bayouland]

As a criminal defendant Casey had a right to a trial. That is not an abuse of the court system, it's justice. Casey's motivation was to avoid life in prison, not financial gain or to become a media star - unfortunately, the system failed Caylee.

Morgan and ZG's motivation is NOT justice and it's not noble, it's money and ego, pure and simple. It's so obvious to me, I can't understand why other's can't see it.

BBM I agree with you.

Your second paragraph however is an opinion, You can not possibly know what ZG's motivation is or Morgan's either.
Jmo

 

[bayouland]

I have no respect for either of them. Perhaps I live in a fantasy world, but I'd like to believe there are attorneys who are honest, decent people who actually work for justice and right rather than playing the "may the better shyster win" game. We've seen none of that in anything revolving around Casey Anthony. The saddest part, IMO, is that IF the media and public hadn't latched on to this case, Casey would be serving a life sentence, IMO.

Not if they had the same jury :banghead:

 

[NavySubMom]

Does Greene now really want this case to go away because by Jan. 2013 FCA's appeal will probably have been heard (hopefully) and she will no longer be subject to 5th amendment right to refuse to answer anything in these civil cases? If Munyon does not throw this case out March 23rd and it goes forward, are Greene/FCA really running scared that if she does get served now or anytime between now and Jan. 2013 with subpoean to appear, she will have to actually SHOW UP for these and actually be made to ANSWER some questios? I still think Greene's apology was a farce and sarcastic, but could they really want this case to go away now with this long extension?? some Karma in a backwards-kind-of-way?? IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Not if they had the same jury :banghead:

True that, but if the media and public had stayed out of it, there probably would have been no change of venue and therefore, there would have been a different jury. Or, not so many people would have been excluded from the jury for having too much knowledge about the case. Certainly there would have been no weeks long trial, no high profile attorneys, no outrageously priced paid-off experts. Casey would have, IMO, had a court appointed attorney and either have taken a plea agreement or had a speedy trial and conviction, just like every other indigent child killer.

 

[bayouland]

That's why I'm not trying to compare them. I hate to think that in Florida it's perfectly acceptable for citizens to abuse the taxpayer's money so long as it's to a lesser amount than the county spent on Casey Anthony.

Orange County will continue to foot the bill for civil and criminal cases besides Casey Anthony. It just won't make the headlines.

 

[Chilly Willy]

BBM I agree with you.

Your second paragraph however is an opinion, You can not possibly know what ZG's motivation is or Morgan's either.
Jmo

You're right, it is my opinion based on what I've seen in the media and in court documents. I should have stated it as such.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Orange County will continue to foot the bill for civil and criminal cases besides Casey Anthony. It just won't make the headlines.

True again, but hopefully attorneys in cases that are not a media event will not press fraudulent (IMO) lawsuits and/or the court will not let them proceed past the initial stages. I think in most instances, a case like Casey's would have taken a week, maybe two at trial and she would have been convicted. It's only because the entire world was watching that it came out so wrong. If not for the media, jurors wouldn't have needed to be sequestered and so they wouldn't have been in such a hurry to reach a verdict and get home.

 

[KarmaGet'em]

Law firm has investigative team looking for Casey Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/3/14/law_firm_wants_casey

Matt Morgan said Gonzalez has already gotten some justice, because Anthony is now the one in hiding and shows this situation has come full circle.

“If you remember at the beginning, Zenaida was confined to her house and she couldn’t leave her house because of Casey Anthony’s lies,” Morgan said. “So as a direct result of that she had to be in hiding. Now it’s come full circle, because now, Casey Anthony has to be in hiding from us, Morgan and Morgan.”

Morgan said his law firm gets thousands of phone calls whenever Anthony is spotted.

Morgan and Morgan has an entire investigation team that’s solely devoted to finding Anthony and handing her a subpoena to appear in court.

 

[NavySubMom]

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam...otice-of-production-from-non-parties-0314.pdf

Request for Production of Documents filed today above^^^^^

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam...otice-of-production-from-non-parties-0314.pdf

Notice of Production asking for FCA address above^^^^

Here are the documents filed today by Morgan in this lawsuit, if anyone is interested. I like to read the original documents as filed instead of solely relying just on what the newspapers/organizations report.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Law firm has investigative team looking for Casey Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/3/14/law_firm_wants_casey

Oh honestly. If he's already getting thousands of calls whenever she's spotted, why does he need to broadcast this to the media?

Welcome back my friend to the show that never ends.....

 

[Chilly Willy]

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam...otice-of-production-from-non-parties-0314.pdf

Request for Production of Documents filed today above^^^^^

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam...otice-of-production-from-non-parties-0314.pdf

Notice of Production asking for FCA address above^^^^

Here are the documents filed today by Morgan in this lawsuit, if anyone is interested. I like to read the original documents as filed instead of solely relying just on what the newspapers/organizations report.

IMO, MOO, etc.

Is that supposed to be the same link twice?

 

[Pattymarie]

Latest blog entry by RH: (yikes)
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2012/03/who-is-zenaida-fernandez-gonzalez/

 

[NavySubMom]

Is that supposed to be the same link twice?

No, sorry, here is the other link:

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam...ony/Casey-Anthony-request-to-produce-0314.pdf

try this, although it has the same end numbers again, I am pasting 2 different links, let me check this after I post it? (having problems with this WS site today, horrible trying to post anything.)

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam...otice-of-production-from-non-parties-0314.pdf

ETA: This appears to be the other document, sorry for the error earlier.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

As a criminal defendant Casey had a right to a trial. That is not an abuse of the court system, it's justice. Casey's motivation was to avoid life in prison, not financial gain or to become a media star - unfortunately, the system failed Caylee.

Morgan and ZG's motivation is NOT justice and it's not noble, it's money and ego, pure and simple. It's so obvious to me, I can't understand why others can't see it.

EDIT TO ADD - above is IMO

Of course, no one ever said her getting a trial was an abuse. You knew that. However, requesting money to investigate the TES volunteers and all the other nonsense they tried for 2 years before settling with the drowning story was certainly an abuse of the system and the citizenry.

 

[NavySubMom]

Latest blog entry by RH: (yikes)
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2012/03/who-is-zenaida-fernandez-gonzalez/

Be sure to read through to the bottom, appears RH is talking out of both sides of his mouth,

read down to "Doctrine of Qualified Immunity" and "But Are There No Damages?"

If Munyon does NOT dismiss this on March 23, it appears this will go to a jury trial, and then it won't matter WHAT RH thinks or says or what Munyon ultimately says (other than her rulings during the trial, obviously), it will be up to a JURY, and IMO ZG has a good chance with a FL jury, especially if FCA's appeal has been heard and she has been subpoenaed and has to take the witness stand.... or, even better chance if FCA DOESN'T even show or answer any questions.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Be sure to read through to the bottom, appears RH is talking out of both sides of his mouth,

read down to "Doctrine of Qualified Immunity" and "But Are There No Damages?"

If Munyon does NOT dismiss this on March 23, it appears this will go to a jury trial, and then it won't matter WHAT RH thinks or says or what Munyon ultimately says (other than her rulings during the trial, obviously), it will be up to a JURY, and IMO ZG has a good chance with a FL jury, especially if FCA's appeal has been heard and she has been subpoenaed and has to take the witness stand.... or, even better chance if FCA DOESN'T even show or answer any questions.

IMO, MOO, etc.

I don't really think he's contradicting himself, probably because I tend to agree with him. IF this case goes to trial, which I don't think will happen, it's very possible that a jury will find for ZG. Not because she deserves to win but because they want to see Casey lose.

IMO, it's not about justice or the law anymore, it's a game, like fake wrestling where there's a 'good' guy and a 'bad' guy. We want to see the bad guy suffer and we want to see the good guy win. However, the good guy is only good on TV, in real life he's a wife abuser, or a drug pusher or who knows what. But no one cares, it's all about the entertainment.