Zodiac Killer

[Winward1]

After the Zodiac commented a crime he wrote strange letters to prove he did them.
But even stranger is, he phoned in to police and reported what he had done. Was that apart of how he wanted to be portrayed ?

Beware of propaganda: Lies Unravel in the Zodiac Killer Case

 

[australianwebsleuth]

Well the code has been broken if you believe it says

"I hope you are having lots of fun in trying to catch me. That wasn't me on the TV show which brings up a point about me. I am not afraid of the gas chamber because it will send me to paradice (paradise misspelled) all the sooner. Because I now have enough slaves to work for me where everyone else has nothing when they reach paradice so they are afraid of death. I am not afraid because I know that my new life will be an easy one in paradice death."

Although I believe that is an accurate decipher, I think there is more to be had. Just for a start any misspellings etc. in a cipher are an indication that there is more than one code in the correspondence. And why bother to code the above message... it's hardly going to shake up California. He promised his identity, and I believe that it is somewhere in there...keep looking folks.

He promised his name. I think he did but not in the way everyone expects by solving the cipher. It's a giant riddle. 'That wasn't me on the TV show which brings up a point about me' . Everyone thinks about Martin Belli and the TV show, it's not, he is playing games. Look at King Tut in the Batman TV show that was released in the late 1960's immediately prior to the Zodiac killings. That is what this is about. King Tut collects slaves for paradise. You solve the riddle, it leads you down a track. The cipher is a riddle that gives you a clue. FYI the Lake Berryessa attack occurred on the first anniversary of the King Tut episode where he goes to Gotham reservoir to commit a crime. I am unsure whether this is by accident or intended. In that episode a certain police officer becomes deranged. This also hints to his name.

I am unable to name Zodiac as per rules of the forum but If you want to know what the Mikado letter has to do with this, look at 'The Minstrel' from the batman TV series. It's another clue to his identity. He sings a song linked to a police officer whose surname may implicate his identity. That song is from the Mikado.

Look at my posts if you want further information.

 

[doranchak]

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[snooptroop88]

He promised his name. I think he did but not in the way everyone expects by solving the cipher. It's a giant riddle. 'That wasn't me on the TV show which brings up a point about me' . Everyone thinks about Martin Belli and the TV show, it's not, he is playing games. Look at King Tut in the Batman TV show that was released in the late 1960's immediately prior to the Zodiac killings. That is what this is about. King Tut collects slaves for paradise. You solve the riddle, it leads you down a track. The cipher is a riddle that gives you a clue. FYI the Lake Berryessa attack occurred on the first anniversary of the King Tut episode where he goes to Gotham reservoir to commit a crime. I am unsure whether this is by accident or intended. In that episode a certain police officer becomes deranged. This also hints to his name.

I am unable to name Zodiac as per rules of the forum but If you want to know what the Mikado letter has to do with this, look at 'The Minstrel' from the batman TV series. It's another clue to his identity. He sings a song linked to a police officer whose surname may implicate his identity. That song is from the Mikado.

Look at my posts if you want further information.

"A Wand'ring Minstrel"?

[NANKI-POO]
A wandering minstrel I —
A thing of shreds and patches
Of ballads, songs and snatches
And dreamy lullaby!
My catalogue is long
Through every passion ranging
And to your humours changing
I tune my supple song!
I tune my supple song!

The shreds and patches make me think of the way he constructs his letters and the Stine letter in particular where he includes bits of the victim's clothing.

The "catalogue is long" makes me think of the way Zodiac is constantly tallying up his victim count. The tuning of the song is adaptability.

They may never find Zodiac. I think the cipher's a game he won, it was sensational and distracting, and while it offered some information, it was information he didn't care if we had. Don't get me wrong, it commanded attention for good reason, but I think it may ultimately have helped him. I do think he was telling the truth on the disguises aspect. I think he's into music/theater himself in some capacity and knows a lot about wardrobe and stage makeup. Agreed on King Tut, but I think Zodiac's symbol is more along the lines of pagan Gauls (they have similar beliefs) and that little cross inside the circle is the precursor of a Celtic cross, the sun cross. I personally have started to wonder if he's got Dutch/Belgian ancestry, or if he has some fascination with those cultures, and here's why.

Extract just the letters from this. A E N (symbol) (symbol) K (symbol) M (symbol) ?L (or symbol) N A M

Known letters only: A E N K M N A M

I'm repeating the "E" in here, there's only one. But if just one of the M's there was another N, you'd have this: Manneken (As it is, it's close, it's "Mannakem")

What is a manneken? And I'm seeing "manekem" could potentially be some weird derivative. It's Dutch for possibly just the English "mannequin." I'm thinking of his villainous executioner outfit, but my guess is he was always wearing some sort of disguise, just not such an obvious or rustic one. Manneken can also be little man. Manneken Pis is a famous statue in Brussels with a urinating little boy. Brussels is in Belgium, which famously oppressed Congo and exploited them for rubber through a system of brutal colonization. King Leopold of Belgium. "Leo," and Leo also the sun sign in astrology.

There is a "Congo Street" in Sunnyside SF because of affinity at the time with the Belgians/Europeans, Netherlands. I think there are generally a lot of Dutch/Scandinavian/Netherlands/?Belgians (Belgium was once in the same kingdom as Netherlands) in CA, in 1970, CA had the highest number of foreign-born Dutch in the country. Sunnyside does have a strong Danish presence in the 60s, and Congo Street's particularly mentioned in one source. Zodiac mentioned he had a basement. Sunnyside houses in that area look like they have basements, they're built on steep inclines.

I remember reading something about a Zodiac connection to Sunnyside particularly, and although I can't find it yet, I'm going to keep looking. I seriously wonder if his house with a basement wasn't in Sunnyside. Obviously pure speculation, and I'm more likely wrong than right.

 

[ilovepierre]

We'll never get the DNA match because a cop was the zodiac killer.

East Area Rapist was a member of LE and was eventually caught using DNA. It was thru a genealogy service, but still…

 

[snooptroop88]

After doing more research and plodding through many more cases, have changed my mind completely on SF for where he probably lived longer term, and think Sacramento-- although he may have been based in SF for a period of time. Think he was married, highly intelligent/probably college educated and a selective college at that; probably some military, background in high school sports; employed in academia for a lengthy period of time; grew up in CA, probably first generation American; strong interests in music/theater and Asian studies, may have some ties to Sonoma vineyards in his youth. He has knowledge of Druidic symbols, that symbol he uses looks like a sun cross. Think he wasn't kidding about the disguises, the medieval executioner's outfit makes me sure of it, and just as he disguises himself at the crime scenes, he is disguising himself in those letters, I don't think the typos are unintentional after all, and I did used to think they probably were. Think he was a crafty, seasoned murder before he ever sent his first letter. Think he has involvement in the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker murders, particularly Carolyn Davis, who'd told someone close to her she feared for her life having witnessed a double murder. Carolyn Davis is the only SRHMurders victim to be poisoned with strychnine and there was a Zodiac symbol left at the road near her remains. Strychnine was used to control gophers & voles on vineyards until the EPA put an end to such use, I believe around 1972. In the end, it's jmo, but I think he'll prove to be a far more versatile and prolific killer than is currently known. And do think that Red Phantom letter may indeed be him, he's clearly familiar with Mikado. I didn't know this previously, but before operas, they'll do what are called "phantom sessions" with phantom singers and phantom audience members as the director and lighting crew figure out the lighting for the production. And maybe that's just what he viewed those letters as, "phantom sessions" as he prepped for his next murder.

Think he's still alive, and I hope they get him.

 

[DragonSpeaker]

The most logical thing to me is, the zodiac is 4 people. hence the symbol, with four lines converging into one.
The zodiac has 12 houses, but the houses are all based on 4 elements; earth, air, water, fire.
Earth signs are Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn. Air signs are Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius.
Water signs are Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces. Fire signs are Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius.

I think this is why they could never pin down one person- because it wasn't one person.
It's 4 people, one from each of the elements. So it could have been, for example, Taurus, Gemini, Scorpio, Leo.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

The most logical thing to me is, the zodiac is 4 people. hence the symbol, with four lines converging into one.
The zodiac has 12 houses, but the houses are all based on 4 elements; earth, air, water, fire.
Earth signs are Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn. Air signs are Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius.
Water signs are Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces. Fire signs are Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius.

I think this is why they could never pin down one person- because it wasn't one person.
It's 4 people, one from each of the elements. So it could have been, for example, Taurus, Gemini, Scorpio, Leo.

Interesting.

 

[minazoe]

After doing more research and plodding through many more cases, have changed my mind completely on SF for where he probably lived longer term, and think Sacramento-- although he may have been based in SF for a period of time. Think he was married, highly intelligent/probably college educated and a selective college at that; probably some military, background in high school sports; employed in academia for a lengthy period of time; grew up in CA, probably first generation American; strong interests in music/theater and Asian studies, may have some ties to Sonoma vineyards in his youth. He has knowledge of Druidic symbols, that symbol he uses looks like a sun cross. Think he wasn't kidding about the disguises, the medieval executioner's outfit makes me sure of it, and just as he disguises himself at the crime scenes, he is disguising himself in those letters, I don't think the typos are unintentional after all, and I did used to think they probably were. Think he was a crafty, seasoned murder before he ever sent his first letter. Think he has involvement in the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker murders, particularly Carolyn Davis, who'd told someone close to her she feared for her life having witnessed a double murder. Carolyn Davis is the only SRHMurders victim to be poisoned with strychnine and there was a Zodiac symbol left at the road near her remains. Strychnine was used to control gophers & voles on vineyards until the EPA put an end to such use, I believe around 1972. In the end, it's jmo, but I think he'll prove to be a far more versatile and prolific killer than is currently known. And do think that Red Phantom letter may indeed be him, he's clearly familiar with Mikado. I didn't know this previously, but before operas, they'll do what are called "phantom sessions" with phantom singers and phantom audience members as the director and lighting crew figure out the lighting for the production. And maybe that's just what he viewed those letters as, "phantom sessions" as he prepped for his next murder.

Think he's still alive, and I hope they get him.

much of this is discussed in several books. the Mikado , but I remember one suspect keeping gophers in his parents basement where he lived. mOO

 

[Fuzzy_ghr78]

Judy Lichti Murdered- Zodiac Connection?
Juddy Lichti was murdered on July 4th,1969 at aprox. 11-11:30 PM. She was shot when a car pulled up along side her car and opened fire,also wounding her husband.There was no motive in the attack,and 40 years later,the case is unsolved.

How is this related to the Zodiac killer? It may not be,BUT,it's VERY similar to the confirmed Zodiac attack of Darlene Ferrin,and Mike Mageau,who were attacked aprox. 30-45 minutes later. The only problem is that Lichti was attacked in the Fresno/Barton,Calif. area,and Mageau/Ferrin were attacked 30-45 minutes later in Vallejo. These two towns are 2-3 hours apart,so theres no way that the same person pulled the trigger at both crime scenes,BUT,when i posted this on another forum,a person that believes that Zodiac was not a single man,but rather a team,pointed out that as a Zodiac team,they could have committed both murders,in 2 different areas. I am not personally into the idea that there was a Zodiac "team",but anything is possible i guess,and it actually could explain the differences of appearance in the zodiac sketches.

Still,Zodiac victim or not,the murder of Lichti needs to be solved.After 40 years,her family deserves answers. Heres a news article on her story:

Independent Press-Telegram July 6,1969
Bullets Shot in 'Senseless' Car Attack Kill Wife, 29
FRESNO </Pt &#8212; A
young Fresno mother was
shot to death Friday night
as she and her husband
and small son drove home
from a Fourth of July
show at a speedway.
The sheriff's department
said Mrs. Judy Lichti,
29, was killed, apparently
without provocation
by shots fired from a car
which pulled alongside
their car about 11:15 p.m.
Mrs. Lichti. who was
driving, was hit in the
head. She died later in a
hospital. Her husband,
John, 29, who managed to
steer the car to a slop,
was treated for a gunshot

Maybe not a team in the traditional way. Maybe there was one person behind all of it — someone with the intelligence and the means to manipulate and play mental tricks. Someone who didn’t necessarily enjoy killing or didn’t have the ability to do it themselves, but enjoyed playing with the police and people’s minds. Someone who knew very well that having somebody else pull the trigger could be a perfect way to stay in the shadows and watch the scene unfold in total safety.

It’s also possible that this person did something to the people they hired as frontmen — got rid of them because they made a mistake or became too dangerous to work with anymore.