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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #36

    and/or the unknown male, who's DNA is in Hannah's fingernails, on DM's shirt, pants, shoes, the steering wheel of his car, and the grass at the crime scene. Or the two cases may be completely unrelated.
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #36

    Actually a father and son were scouting turkey hunting locations, not mushroom hunting. See: Who killed Jill Behrman? "March 2003, the investigation into Behrman's death took a dramatic turn. A man and his son, out scouting turkey-hunting locations, made a discovery that upended the case. Jill...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    This! The above is one of the important points in this thread that should be repeated ad nauseum IMO. Much like DM, it is probable this DNA is also on file somewhere, associated with similar events.
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    This reminded me of the unknown DNA at the Hannah Wilson / Daniel Messel crime scene. "He opened a paper grocery sack containing State’s Exhibit 88 and pulled out Messel’s brown and blood-stained Skechers shoe, which had his blood, Wilson’s blood and blood from an “unknown male,” Raymond...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    Related? Man arrested Monday after attempted kidnapping in Bloomington – The Bloomingtonian May 31st, 2021 " Upon arrival, officers made contact with a 30 year-old female victim who reported that just prior to calling 911, she had been walking southbound on Liberty Drive when she felt her...
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    Identified! MO - Dixon, Wht/NtvFem UP10222, >35, off Hwy MM, upper denture, May'81 - Karen Knippers

    Good question. I'm not able to access the record unless I pay. Perhaps someone else has access?
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    Identified! MO - Dixon, Wht/NtvFem UP10222, >35, off Hwy MM, upper denture, May'81 - Karen Knippers

    Found a marriage record for her in Florida, and maybe divorce record in Tennessee. Can't access without paying. Might be interesting to know her divorce date. Ancestry.com
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    IN - Hannah Wilson, 22, IU student, murdered, Brown County, 24 April 2015

    Daniel Messel was sentenced to 15 years for the attack on a 22-year-old IU student that occurred Sept. 1, 2012. https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/monroe-county/bloomington/daniel-messel-sentenced-to-20-years-for-2012-attack
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    IN - Hannah Wilson, 22, IU student, murdered, Brown County, 24 April 2015

    Messel Sexual Assault Hearing Postponed Until June 19
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    Correct. Jury Finds Messel Guilty Of Murdering Hannah Wilson DANIEL MESSEL, 51, CONVICTED OF MURDERING FORMER INDIANA STUDENT HANNAH WILSON
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    IN - Hannah Wilson, 22, IU student, murdered, Brown County, 24 April 2015

    Hannah Wilson Trial: Everything We Know After Week 1
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    Hannah Wilson Trial: Everything We Know After Week 1
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    IN - Hannah Wilson, 22, IU student, murdered, Brown County, 24 April 2015

    Friends of Hannah Wilson testify on first day of trial
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    The Judge ruled that the DNA evidence can be presented. Judge Rules On DNA Evidence In Daniel Messell's Murder Trial
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    IN - Hannah Wilson, 22, IU student, murdered, Brown County, 24 April 2015

    Jurors to hear about DNA evidence in Daniel Messel trial :what:
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    Do we still have a murderer on the loose? Jurors to hear about DNA evidence in Daniel Messel trial :what:
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    620 & 614 N College Ave., presumably. Just North East of 10th & College Apts. Just across the street, and down a house or two from where she was last reported to be seen by JR at 11th & College. This would help explain why she was never seen on video again after leaving 5 North Apts...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    Here is a Google street view image of the camera I was trying to describe. You can see its downward angle as it points toward the railing. Reference: Google map link
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    FYI Could have yes, but you don't have to go thru any door to get to the garage. The garage is open and accessible from the alley she was last seen on video at. No gate, door, etc. Reference: Reference: Google Map Link
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

    There are concrete stairs at the front of ZC's apt building, (10th & College apts). There are concrete stairs going up and down at the South East corner of ZC's apt building, (10th & College apts). I've always presumed it happened here, but maybe not? The door with the rail is a seperate apt...

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