vicktor
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Britt said:
The information on what the CDEs found is probably contained in the depositions of members of the BPD. They all made statements about what they determined.
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The information on what the CDEs found is probably contained in the depositions of members of the BPD. They all made statements about what they determined.
vicktor
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Cherokee said:
You were the one who responded to some posts I made in general and to 1 or 2 others.
Each CDE made a statement about what he determined. Unfortunately, I can't remember where it was found. At the least, each one made a designation of "can't be eliminated" when given choices of 1. definitely wrote it, 2. definitely didn't write it, 3. could not be eliminated as the author.
Britt
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What depositions? Who said what and when? I repeat: sources/exact quotes please? I'll give you a hint... they did NOT say it was a low probability that Patsy wrote the note. Not hardly. If you can prove otherwise, please do.vicktor said:
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victor... oh, that DNA thread. Yes, I read all the posts on it. Apparently you're the one who didn't, because if you had, you'd had read mine.
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Shylock
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That's why that URL is so important. Forget the "experts" - throw em ALL out. Experts have "agendas".vicktor said:
That URL proves to anyone who can open their eyes and engage their brain that Patsy wrote the ransom note.
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Cherokee said:
YUPPER RUE...YES!!! AMEN!!! THANK YOU!!! IMHO Those that have eyes to see "will see" and those that have ears to hear "will 'LISTEN CAREFULLY'hear"!
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There are several articles about the documentary in this week's "weeklies". I don't have time to go into specifics just now because I am going off on business, but basically, it would appear that:-
Lou Smit is naming Michael Helgoth PLUS one other unnamed person as the prime suspects in JonBenet's murder.
They believe that the unnamed person also murdered Michale Helgoth and another young girl.
They admit that Michael Helgoth has been cleared on DNA.
They don't actually know if the unnamed person's DNA matches or not because he is "on the run" and they've got to catch him to test him.
The most detailed article is printed in the magazine of the TV station which is screening the documentary. It concludes with the statements that the Ramseys have not been cleared as suspects and that Patsy cannot be eliminated as the writer of the ransom note.
Lou Smit is naming Michael Helgoth PLUS one other unnamed person as the prime suspects in JonBenet's murder.
They believe that the unnamed person also murdered Michale Helgoth and another young girl.
They admit that Michael Helgoth has been cleared on DNA.
They don't actually know if the unnamed person's DNA matches or not because he is "on the run" and they've got to catch him to test him.
The most detailed article is printed in the magazine of the TV station which is screening the documentary. It concludes with the statements that the Ramseys have not been cleared as suspects and that Patsy cannot be eliminated as the writer of the ransom note.
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"They believe that the unnamed person also murdered Michale Helgoth and another young girl.
They admit that Michael Helgoth has been cleared on DNA.
They don't actually know if the unnamed person's DNA matches or not because he is "on the run" and they've got to catch him to test him."
WHAT????
They admit that Michael Helgoth has been cleared on DNA.
They don't actually know if the unnamed person's DNA matches or not because he is "on the run" and they've got to catch him to test him."
WHAT????
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I am always amazed (but never shocked) at how the "Intruder" myth has grown to a story identicle to the search for "BigFoot"...Tricia said:
Barbara
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It always amazes me that the RST don't realize or acknowledge that their credibility has been erased altogether and that they have become nothing more than a laughing stock. Lou Smit wasted an entire career of detective work, all to go down in history as the laughing stock of the Ramsey case! Jerk!
With their old theories all but exhausted, they found a dead man to point the finger at. Of course, his DNA doesn't match and what can they do now, especially since they insist the DNA is the smoking gun and THE link to the killer? Why of course, they add a SECOND SUSPECT! One who hasn't been caught, and yet another mystery man!
It's so sad that it is laughable!
What is actually positive about all of this is that the more ridiculous they get, the more the public will realize that it's all a fairy tale and fantasy, which only leaves the Ramseys, once again as the only suspects in this crime.
Keep up the good work RST! Sooner or later, we BORG will be thanking you for being responsible for the Ramseys getting caught. Eventually, things will turn around as long as their stupidity continues.
With their old theories all but exhausted, they found a dead man to point the finger at. Of course, his DNA doesn't match and what can they do now, especially since they insist the DNA is the smoking gun and THE link to the killer? Why of course, they add a SECOND SUSPECT! One who hasn't been caught, and yet another mystery man!
It's so sad that it is laughable!
What is actually positive about all of this is that the more ridiculous they get, the more the public will realize that it's all a fairy tale and fantasy, which only leaves the Ramseys, once again as the only suspects in this crime.
Keep up the good work RST! Sooner or later, we BORG will be thanking you for being responsible for the Ramseys getting caught. Eventually, things will turn around as long as their stupidity continues.
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Would this mystery man be the man who was implicated in the Allie Barrelez (sp) in Colorado in the early 1990s? Is he the one that lived above the Barrelez apartment? Is he the one that took off for CA as soon as Allie went missing? Is he the one that was extradited back to CO to face drunk driving charges? Although technically, the Barrelez kidnapping and murder is unsolved, I know this man who took off to CA was the primary suspect. No leads ever pointed anywhere else, especially to Helgoth.
Oliva's DNA didn't match, Santa Bill's didn't, Helgoth's doesn't....I mean c'mon, it is only common sense that the DNA was on the panties when they were packaged in the factory. There is no intruder. The guilty party is one of the R's in the house that night. John, Patsy, or Burke....My money's on Patsy for the killing, and John for helping her cover up....JMO, of course.
Oliva's DNA didn't match, Santa Bill's didn't, Helgoth's doesn't....I mean c'mon, it is only common sense that the DNA was on the panties when they were packaged in the factory. There is no intruder. The guilty party is one of the R's in the house that night. John, Patsy, or Burke....My money's on Patsy for the killing, and John for helping her cover up....JMO, of course.
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Very correct Barbara. The only question is why the even need Helgoth:Barbara said:
-His DNA doesn't match.
-His Hi-Tec boot prints don't match.
-He owned a stun gun, but it wasn't a "Taser", (Lou Smit's fantasy weapon of choice) so it won't match up to the abrasions.
-Notice how the RST isn't circulating any of his handwriting samples, so obviously THAT doesn't match.
Helgoth is pointless, except as tabloid propaganda. And that's the only thing Tracey is good for.
TLynn
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Originally Posted by vicktor
There are many unsolved murder cases out there where someone broke it and killed an occupant, and didn't leave any evidence. There are unsolved cases of rape and murder where only semen evidence was left and the perp was never caught because the DNA wasn't on file or they could find no other connection. If the perp wore gloves and chose not to leave semen , what other evidence would there be?
Ahhh, but there was semen at the crime scene - it was identified as John Andrew Ramsey's.
There are many unsolved murder cases out there where someone broke it and killed an occupant, and didn't leave any evidence. There are unsolved cases of rape and murder where only semen evidence was left and the perp was never caught because the DNA wasn't on file or they could find no other connection. If the perp wore gloves and chose not to leave semen , what other evidence would there be?
Ahhh, but there was semen at the crime scene - it was identified as John Andrew Ramsey's.
TLynn
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There were others whose handwritting were similar to the note - but they had "alibis."
Patsy did not -
In addition, Patsy knew who signed the note and the sign-off during the 911 call (it took me weeks to get the SBTC in the right order)
Also, didn't Patsy's mother give Steve Thomas a note Patsy had written with a manuscript "a" crossed out.
Patsy did not -
In addition, Patsy knew who signed the note and the sign-off during the 911 call (it took me weeks to get the SBTC in the right order)
Also, didn't Patsy's mother give Steve Thomas a note Patsy had written with a manuscript "a" crossed out.
jubie
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TLynn,
Hi, what's this about John Andrews semen being at the crime scene, I've never heard that before?
Also, I can't seem to get the ransom note through Shylocks link, can someone please tell me where else I can view it?
Thanks,
Jubie
Hi, what's this about John Andrews semen being at the crime scene, I've never heard that before?
Also, I can't seem to get the ransom note through Shylocks link, can someone please tell me where else I can view it?
Thanks,
Jubie
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Two intruders. I cant' believe it. I mean I can't believe that Smith and Tracey are going to expose themselves as police and media clowns.
And, BTW.... What happened with the fear/remorse (after Hunter's declaration) that "prompted Helgoth to suicide"? Maybe the "Unnamed one" heard Hunter and thought "Uh, Michael is going to get scared and will confess. It will be better to kill him rigth now".
It's ludicrous.
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And, BTW.... What happened with the fear/remorse (after Hunter's declaration) that "prompted Helgoth to suicide"? Maybe the "Unnamed one" heard Hunter and thought "Uh, Michael is going to get scared and will confess. It will be better to kill him rigth now".
It's ludicrous.
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Remind me is Michael Helgoth the boots guy?
Killed himself?
Who was Michelle Helgoth. I need to get up to speed here
Killed himself?
Who was Michelle Helgoth. I need to get up to speed here
