Body Language Analysis of Irwin Case Players

[norest4thewicked]

What does noted expert on body language say about the Dr. Phil interview and the body language that DB and JI displayed in it?

Body language and communication expert, Dr. Lillian Glass says:

Baby Lisa’s Mother Shows Much Defensiveness, Signals of Deception and Fake Tears on Dr. Phil

http://drlillianglass.com/body-lang...ignals-of-deceptionand-fake-tears-on-dr-phil/

 

[4Jacy]

What does noted expert on body language say about the Dr. Phil interview and the body language that DB and JI displayed in it?

Body language and communication expert, Dr. Lillian Glass says:

Baby Lisa’s Mother Shows Much Defensiveness, Signals of Deception and Fake Tears on Dr. Phil

http://drlillianglass.com/body-lang...ignals-of-deceptionand-fake-tears-on-dr-phil/

Thank you for posting that norest, I hadn't heard that before. What stands out to me most is DB's demeanor and the fact that if you are telling the truth from the very beginning, your story never changes. Her story keeps changing.

As far as her defensiveness, she should have been sweet and loving toward the public to beg them to help find her baby. This "show" was all about shedding a good light on her.

Noone can tell me to this day, why these parents will not speak with LE separately. I would speak to the devil himself if my child were missing and I thought it would help bring her/him home to me.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Thank you for posting that norest, I hadn't heard that before. What stands out to me most is DB's demeanor and the fact that if you are telling the truth from the very beginning, your story never changes. Her story keeps changing.

As far as her defensiveness, she should have been sweet and loving toward the public to beg them to help find her baby. This "show" was all about shedding a good light on her.

Noone can tell me to this day, why these parents will not speak with LE separately. I would speak to the devil himself if my child were missing and I thought it would help bring her/him home to me.

I think that the Dr. Phil was completely about ratings for Dr. Phil. I don't know why they even did the show because it didn't shed any light on anything, except we heard a couple more inconsistencies from DB. I do think that the body language expert is right on with her characterization of DB and JI both.

 

[RANCH]

I'm sorry but this is a bunch of hogwash as my dad used to say. How can you possibly tell what a person is thinking by expressions? You have no way of knowing their baseline which would tell lots more IMO. But still, MW could have been very nervous or even cold! Oh my gosh. Put a camera in front of someone's face and you will guarantee they will behave differently. Why is reality tv so popular? IMOmthe is no way to tell what a particular person is thinking when they are in front of a camera and are discussing such a horrible situation??? This is precisely why these analises and LDTs are not admissible in court. While interesting, I find none of this mans analises to be helpful in finding the truth about what happened to BL. JMO

I agree with this post. While interesting, body language analysis is not something I can give a lot of weight to.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I give weight to all sciences, and the science of body language is an accepted and utilized tool in many aspects of Law Enforcement. As a matter of fact, body language assisted the Nevada LE officer that pulled over Warren Jeffs,wanted polygamist in 2006. The officer noticed a furiously pumping carotid artery in Jeff’s neck and knew immediately that this person was hinky.

Body language has been around for hundreds of years, actually. If one doesn't believe in certain sciences, that is their choice, but with so many new and fascinating procedures out there to assist LE in apprehending criminals, I, for one, am going to embrace anything that will help make our lives safer.

 

[redheadedgal]

i believe in the study of body language... studied it in university actually. very interesting!!

it seems to be a tool utilized by the FBI to read criminals... so i don't understand why anyone could consider it "hogwash"...


http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/june_2011/school_violence

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92000147

 

[nells]

Peter Hyatt also has a radio show. In this episode Ron Rugen is one of the guests: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peter-hyatt/2012/03/04/the-peter-hyatt-show-

 

[redheadedgal]

"former detective reveals how to tell when suspects are lying":


#8-- Helpfully offering another explanation: a suspect will often try and mislead detectives by putting another suspicious person on the investigation's radar, Dittrich said. If a person denies a kidnapping but mentions a creepy man in a van, it's important to see if there's any other evidence of such a person existing. If there's not, chances are the suspect made up a story to deflect the blame.


how many pages of "notes", leads, possible suspects etc. has DB given LE? 100+?


http://www.businessinsider.com/poli...-tell-suspects-are-lying-2012-4#ixzz1rswNh9m5

 

[hambirg]

"former detective reveals how to tell when suspects are lying":


#8-- Helpfully offering another explanation: a suspect will often try and mislead detectives by putting another suspicious person on the investigation's radar, Dittrich said. If a person denies a kidnapping but mentions a creepy man in a van, it's important to see if there's any other evidence of such a person existing. If there's not, chances are the suspect made up a story to deflect the blame.


how many pages of "notes", leads, possible suspects etc. has DB given LE? 100+?
http://www.businessinsider.com/poli...-tell-suspects-are-lying-2012-4#ixzz1rswNh9m5

MOO-but I found it kind of odd that DB can't remember if she checked on Lisa at 10:30, but she can come up with 100+ pages of notes. :waitasec:

 

[Donjeta]

It has no bearing on anything that I can think of but I had wondered why Picerno made a point of saying that it was 100 pages of handwritten notes (as opposed to typed).
Apparently they still have a computer if DB is updating a website and it's usually easier to read printed text.

 

[highflyer]

It has no bearing on anything that I can think of but I had wondered why Picerno made a point of saying that it was 100 pages of handwritten notes (as opposed to typed).
Apparently they still have a computer if DB is updating a website and it's usually easier to read printed text.

I do not know, but if I was an investigator would prefer handwritten notes to something written on a computer.

 

[norest4thewicked]

It has no bearing on anything that I can think of but I had wondered why Picerno made a point of saying that it was 100 pages of handwritten notes (as opposed to typed).
Apparently they still have a computer if DB is updating a website and it's usually easier to read printed text.

And, with the way that man lies, it probably is more like 10 pages. Maybe he thinks it sounds better to have them be handwritten...more personal...

 

[redheadedgal]

It has no bearing on anything that I can think of but I had wondered why Picerno made a point of saying that it was 100 pages of handwritten notes (as opposed to typed).

Maybe he thinks it sounds better to have them be handwritten...more personal...

to deflect away from/attempt to minimize the amount of time we know she does spend on the computer reading about all the drunks, druggies and loons?


reasons she didn't type them in the first place:

she has horrible typing skills?

it's easier to hold a glass of franzia while writing by hand as opposed to the two needed to type properly?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

i believe in the study of body language... studied it in university actually. very interesting!!

it seems to be a tool utilized by the FBI to read criminals... so i don't understand why anyone could consider it "hogwash"...


http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/june_2011/school_violence

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92000147

ITA, redheadedgal. I never studied body language in any formal environment but I think we all employ it. It's not always 100% accurate but most of us can read the body language of our families and close acquaintances. I believe we are always "reading" them whether we are aware of it or not. It is just an automatic processing we have that give us our impressions of their moods, their health, their sensitivities and even their honesty at any given encounter.

I guess the specialist have analyzed every gesture to death and given them all labels of indicators of truthfulness or dishonesty. I find it very interesting and intriguing and important to sussing out the truth but only as an ancillary tool. It is far, far from hogwash but not always reliable either as there are so very many things that could be innate in a person's background, social culture or even genetics that could create a deviation from the norm.

But when people make contradictory and evasive statements that are ever changing to their advantage, it doesn't take a lot of body language smarts to draw a conclusion. But it could strengthen that conclusion. MOO.

 

[lil momma]

It has no bearing on anything that I can think of but I had wondered why Picerno made a point of saying that it was 100 pages of handwritten notes (as opposed to typed).
Apparently they still have a computer if DB is updating a website and it's usually easier to read printed text.

Hi Donjeta!

maybe they didn't have a working printer, or ink for it, maybe even paper. OR even possibly, LE requested it in her writing for evidence against her, as not being able to say someone else typed it out and signed her name... it is all her handwriting, all from her, personally. could be anything really, but this makes the most sense to me... JMO

 

[hambirg]

ITA, redheadedgal. I never studied body language in any formal environment but I think we all employ it. It's not always 100% accurate but most of us can read the body language of our families and close acquaintances. I believe we are always "reading" them whether we are aware of it or not. It is just an automatic processing we have that give us our impressions of their moods, their health, their sensitivities and even their honesty at any given encounter.

I guess the specialist have analyzed every gesture to death and given them all labels of indicators of truthfulness or dishonesty. I find it very interesting and intriguing and important to sussing out the truth but only as an ancillary tool. It is far, far from hogwash but not always reliable either as there are so very many things that could be innate in a person's background, social culture or even genetics that could create a deviation from the norm.

But when people make contradictory and evasive statements that are ever changing to their advantage, it doesn't take a lot of body language smarts to draw a conclusion. But it could strengthen that conclusion. MOO.

I just wanted to address this, because my post graduate degree is in human development.

You are exactly right!!!

Everyone's FIRST language is body language, whether they recognize it or not. If you think body language analysis is hooey, try smiling at a baby (post 2months). They will smile back. Don't say a word, but frown at a child and make an aggressive movement. They will cry. It's not just for humans. Silently stare down your cat and then make a sudden move where you are making yourself look large and aggressive, like standing and swinging your arms above your head. See what happens. They will dart out of the room. Body language is an innate,self-preservation, instinctual language. It is THE basic language we all share.

We constantly tell our children to listen to their instincts. Most of what their instincts are telling them comes from subtle body language. We ALL speak it. Whether we think it's a valid language, whether we think we do or not, we all speak it and are fluent in it. It does not have to be conscience for it to be valid. Do you consciously process your "first" language, or does it just happen? Body language, whether consciously recognized or not, is part of our sympathetic system. We are fluent in it, we recognize it as a language, and we respond to it accordingly. It's the sole reason that we have words like "hinky."

It's real, it's valid and it's universal.

MOO

 

[psychomarz]

I'm sorry but this is a bunch of hogwash as my dad used to say. How can you possibly tell what a person is thinking by expressions? You have no way of knowing their baseline which would tell lots more IMO.

You do make a very good point--- it's impossible to give an accurate analysis without knowing how someone normally acts. For example: my husband keeps an extremely level head all the time. When I was giving birth, he seemed so level-headed that the doctor actually pulled him aside and told him he should try to be more supportive.
But my husband is a man of few words. I was recently in the ER with intense neck spasms that the nurse was completely ignoring (as she jerked my head around enough for me to scream and burst into tears); even I thought my hubby was being kind of unfeeling... until he muttered, "where's the damn doctor?" I could tell he was very worried about me because he wouldn't normally verbalize something like that. It's hard to explain, but again, my husband does not show much facial expression at all when worried or concerned.

 

[RANCH]

Sorry that I am so far behind you all! I have only just known about this case for a few days! I have just watched this video:

http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-to-speak-with-today-show

OK, for starters, I'm not at all comfortable with Jeremy Irwin's body language. He looks nervous and awkward, and I feel that a lot of what he and (mostly) Deborah said in this interview was unnecessary, such as the part where they were thanking people, like the police department and the FBI. IMO it was said by them to take the focus off what they know that everyone is thinking, which is that they know what happened to Lisa. The question asked of them was not 'who would you like to thank?' so I think they intentionally went off track a bit. When Jeremy answered questions, he sounded completely unconvincing, and watch his hands! Nervous fidgeting. Classic lying sign, I think.

Deborah's crying abruptly started and seemed to stop just as abruptly. This interview was given mere days after their daughter was supposedly abducted. How would any grieving parents NOT be in a million pieces at this point? And why are they both sitting that way? Not leaning on each other for support and not comforting each other, except when she put her hand on his lap? It's so weird. I'd love to see a body language expert's interpretation. I think it's too dangerous for them both to share the questions and interview equally, which is why she is the one doing most of the talking. She butted in at one point and took over from what he was saying. I just don't trust these two at all.

Also, at the very end when the interview is over, watch Deborah's shoulders visibly relax. I see that as her breathing out a huge sigh of relief that the charade is over for the time being. (The top video on the page - there are 2.)

They seem to have said too many times 'we don't care about XXXX' and 'we're not angry'. Who would think to even say that at that point in time? I think they have thought too hard about what to say to sound genuine, and they failed. Badly.

Thanks for the input Kos. Your post seemed to be about body language so I'm responding to it on this thread as to not draw the other thread off topic.

I know nothing about body language myself but maybe other members will post their thoughts on it. Thanks again for posting.

 

[nursebeeme]

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[KsStormy]

Can we talk about Peter Hyatt's Statement Analysis here or is that yet another no-no?