CA CA - Orange Co., HispFem Skel UP12250, 30-60, 'Coach Williams' on jacket, Jan'14

[CaliforniaSleuther]

The information given by the media and the Orange Co Sheriff Dept is surprisingly vague and contradictory. The press release says first that she was found NEAR Casper's Park, then later it says IN Casper's. Which is it? A media report puts it 9 miles from the Ortega Hwy which would put it well out of the Park.

There are three possible explanations for a body being found in the wilderness: 1) a murder victim's who was killed elsewhere and dumped there. There would be vehicle access very close and probably signs of trauma on the remains. There might be indications of attempts to conceal the body or the body may be in an "unnatural" or posed position. 2) someone who was alive and well when they came there and met with some "mishap". They could have died of natural causes(ie a heart attack), injuries, snakebite, animal attack, or exposure. They could have been lost and well off the trail. They could have been murdered by someone they were with. The location of the body and any signs of trauma would tell us a lot. You would expect a lone hiker who met with a mishap would have her car keys in her procession and there would have been an "abandoned" vehicle in the parking area. 3) Suicide. Suicides frequently conceal their identity and go somewhere to die where they intend for their body to not be found. They take measures to not be identified and to minimize the chance that a missing person report will be filed. The might plant a "red herring" like a false clue to their place of origin ( or a personalized windbreaker that can"t be traced to them).

If LE suspects suicide or a a non-homicide situation, they normally would be very free with information since they are only concerned with identifying the victim and closing the case. If homicide is suspect, they will be very careful what they disclose. I wonder if this is the reason the location where the body was found is not disclosed.

The fact that she was wearing a windbreaker suggest she died in the spring. By June (and usually May) it is quite warm there. There were photos and descriptions of her clothing but not her shoes. I find that interesting and possibly significant.

To address your first paragraph:I'm willing to bet she was definitely found INSIDE the park because the park is huge and an easy place to hide a body. It's huge: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5786727,-117.5651291,12070m/data=!3m1!1e3

To address your last paragraph: It is warm here in OC in spring, but it's also warm here year-round. I think she died closer to late summer/early fall which falls in the six month decomposition period that her body was found in.

 

[cvaldez1975]

im not sure but i think he was comparing it from driving from sunnyvale, if there was zero traffic at all sunnyvale to san juan capistrano would be 5-6 hours, but once you hit santa clarita there is usually traffic most of the way through all the way to san diego.

Just wanted to add that it's not 10 hours from Santa Clarita to San Diego, and also, this Jane Doe wasn't found in SD. My ex is from Oceanside which is in Northern San Diego County, we would often go to Six Flags which is in Santa Clarita, it would take us about 2 hours, and we did stop along the way. I think you're confusing driving from NorCal down here to OC. I live in OC (Anaheim) and it takes 10-11 hours to drive to NorCal.

 

[dotr]

Without reading the whole thread, not sure if this was suggested or even relevant but..

http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-wpolo/spec-rel/062399aaa.html

"June 23, 1999

LOS ANGELES - USC men's water polo coach John Williams, who led the Trojans to their first-ever NCAA championship in 1998, is stepping down after 26 years in charge of the team, USC Athletic Director Mike Garrett announced today.

Williams will remain, however, as the program's coach emeritus and will be involved in annual fundraising and long- range development."

 

[carbuff]

Now that's intriguing.

If he retired in 1999, his team would have been around 20-22, which would make them in their 30's when this woman died. Since he was the men's team coach, I wonder if it belonged to her partner (if she's at the younger end of the range) or son (if she's older) ?

 

[Jessica6980]

New facial reconstruction released by Orange County Sheriff's department based on CT Scan of skull and mandible:
http://abc7.com/news/rendering-reveals-face-of-woman-found-dead-in-oc-park-in-2014/1294100/

I wish they'd show a picture of this unique dental bridge, or at least an artist's rendering of it. Especially if they think it could help identify her.

 

[dotr]

New facial reconstruction released by Orange County Sheriff's department based on CT Scan of skull and mandible:
http://abc7.com/news/rendering-reveals-face-of-woman-found-dead-in-oc-park-in-2014/1294100/

I wish they'd show a picture of this unique dental bridge, or at least an artist's rendering of it. Especially if they think it could help identify her.

Based on a preliminary investigation, the remains were believed to have been exposed for at least six months before they were found.

After preliminary testing, investigators concluded the remains are of a petite woman, at least 30 years old with shoulder-length wavy, dark brown hair with light colored highlights.

The woman also had a very distinct gold-colored dental bridge on her left lower jaw and possibly had a broken nose at some point in her life.

 

[luckyseven]

Now that's intriguing.

If he retired in 1999, his team would have been around 20-22, which would make them in their 30's when this woman died. Since he was the men's team coach, I wonder if it belonged to her partner (if she's at the younger end of the range) or son (if she's older) ?

The jacket was made after 1999!

 

[carbuff]

The jacket was made after 1999!

I was speculating about his retirement date relative to this woman's age, not when the jacket was made. Lots of retired coaches are honored long after they've stopped coaching, so the jacket could have been a memento from much later. And most likely it's not related at all. As has been pointed out several times, Williams is a very common name.

 

[Bill_Rodgers99]

I have followed this Jane Doe for a while now. I sent in one suggestion to OC Coroners office, and my suggestion was added to the exclusions list rather quickly.

For some time now, I have started to believe that this Jane Doe could possibly be a woman named Tiamanja Palazzo. Tiamanja was reported missing out of Santa Rosa (up in the Bay Area) on July 1st of 2010.

There's a number of reasons why I think it could be her - including some things i've found posted on the internet about a man who I believe was her ex-husband. I won't post the information about the ex-husband here (you can find this anecdotal evidence if you search long enough) but there are some other things about Tiamanja Palazzo that leads me to think it might be her.

Tiamanja Palazzo is (I believe) a Brazilian name, and I believe that Tiamanja Palazzo was from Brazil. From a conversation I had, I believe that the dental work for this Jane Doe indicates that the dental work might have been done in Central or South America.

I spent a lot of time thinking about the "Coach Williams" jacket - working with the assumption that it was a thrift store purchase. I tried to look through California at anyone named "Coach Williams".

One of the few that I found was a coach Nancy Williams of Analy High School in Sebastopol, California. What's interesting about this is that one of the only coaches of either volleyball or water polo that I could find in all of California was a coach up in Sonoma County. That's the same county where Tiamanja Palazzo went missing from.

Here's a Coach Nancy Williams from Analy High School: http://www.pdpreps.com/news/article/17151/volleyball-analys-williams-taking-break-from-coaching/

Here's the Analy High School page for her: http://www.analyhighschool.org/staff/nancy-williams/

Now, it is a total stretch to get excited over the jacket of a Jane Doe, and a single coach named Williams in the entire state of California, but there was a connection.

Like I said, i've researched Tiamanja Palazzo a little bit, and there's some evidence she just completely dropped of the grid in 2010. There's some stuff about her ex-husband floating around, there's a link between the dental work and it being of a possible Brazilian origin. Palazzo isn't listed in NAMUS, so I am guessing there's no DNA sample submitted to CODIS.

Regardless, i've sent in my suspicion. On another occasion with this Jane Doe, OC officials were quick to respond. This time, there was some definite silence. I am curious to know if anyone else has come across Tiamanja Palazzo here on Webseluths. I've spotted her mentioned on one other thread.

 

[dotr]

Tiamanja Palazzo was also suggested by Cubby on this thread..
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r-Dodger-Stadium-Sep-10&p=6319105#post6319105
CA - Los Angeles, WhtFem UP8269, 60-70, @Recycling Center near Dodger Stadium, Sep'10

http://www.nampn.org/cases/palazzo_tiamania.html

Tiamanja Palazzo

Missing Since: July 1, 2010 from Santa Rosa, California
Classification: Missing / Voluntary Missing Adult
Date Of Birth: October 19, 1970
Age: 39 years
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 110 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Race: White
Gender: Female
Distinguishing Characteristics: Tattoo -right leg (mermaid).
Case Number: 10-13113

 

[eekasaur]

This case has bothered me for quite some time, since I'm from the area. Bill, can I assume you haven't heard anything from LE about Ms. Palazzo? I still don't see her on the excluded list.

 

[dotr]

I don't know if anyone has seen this, but it's a composite sketch of her face.http://ocsd.org/gov/sheriff/divisions/prof/coroner/ud/jane/14_00097.asp

The park she was found is in a really nice, rich area of South OC. I've lived in OC all my life and know the area pretty well. I've never been to this park, but I was seeing this guy who lives near there and has lived there his entire life and when I told him about this case he was surprised since that area has low crime. It's also about an hour from SD (San Diego) and an hour and a half from Tijuana, so it's possible this woman was a Mexican immigrant who came to OC and wound up murdered.

http://ocsd.org/gov/sheriff/divisions/prof/coroner/ud/jane/14_00097.asp

CORONER CASE NUMBER: 14-00097-WI
SEX: Female
RACE: Unknown
DATE OF DEATH: Found 01/06/2014
DEATH CLASSIFICATION: UNDETERMINED
AGE Est. LOW: 30
AGE Est. HIGH: 60
EYES: Unknown
HAIR:
HGT. Inches: Unknown
WEIGHT LBS: Unknown
LOCATION FOUND: Ronald W. Caspers Wilderness Park, San Juan Capistrano
PHYSIQUE: Petite
FEATURES: Skeletal remains
TATTOOS: Unknown

 

[dotr]

This case of a missing Dutch, female International volleyball player, who was found murdered in Spain in 2013, may have nothing to do with this uid woman, but noting here just in case...

The bodies of missing Dutch international volleyball player Ingrid Visser and her partner Lodewijk Severein have been found near to the city of Murcia, Spanish police have confirmed.

El Pais says two people were arrested in Valencia in connection with the deaths.

The El Mundo newspaper says the couple were found, 'half buried, in an orchard next to a house in the village of Alquerias, approximately 12 kilometres from Murcia'.

Local paper ‘La Verdad de Murcia’ writes that according to its sources 'the arrested persons have links with organised crime'.

http://www.euroweeklynews.com/3.0.1...odies-of-missing-dutch-couple-have-been-found

 

[dotr]

Ironic that this uid woman, wearing the somewhat unusual partial gold dental plate, was actually located by gold prospectors, could that just be a coincidence? imo, speculation.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/police-628068-woman-dna.html

Countless mystery novels start their plots with prospectors digging for gold. It could be considered cliché, but some modern mysteries start out that way, too.

Prospectors in Caspers Wilderness Park were digging for gold but instead found a shallow grave and a mystery that homicide investigators are still trying to solve.

Investigators found she had a gold-colored dental bridge on her lower jaw, which officials believe was not done in the United States.

 

[burblestein]

In response to post #62 above:

Genevieve Kathryn Alexander was trailed to the Pacific waterline below the Fort Bragg CA Botanical Gardens by a bloodhound. Her pants were found floating offshore. Her remains were not recovered.

 

[Bill_Rodgers99]

Sorry for the delay. I've sent about 3 messages about Palazzo to LE officials. I have never received a response back. I sent an earlier email about another possible person - that person was immediately added to the excluded list. I believe that Ms. Palazzo was a Brazilian citizen. I will continue to keep my eye on this particular case. If you'd like to send an e-mail to LE about this case also, it would be appreciated.

 

[dotr]

Bumping
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Unid...hUq6oMKHXrEBm8Q_AUIBygC#imgrc=4gUD5rHaY2UyXM:

 

[dotr]

https://charleyross.wordpress.com/2016/10/24/make-a-list-monday-gold-teeth/
October 24 2016

A pretty straightforward topic this week: MPs with gold teeth. I included people with gold crowns and caps and grills, but not mere gold fillings.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/marchenko_lubov.html ?

 

[sunnynz]

Ironic that this uid woman, wearing the somewhat unusual partial gold dental plate, was actually located by gold prospectors, could that just be a coincidence? imo, speculation.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/police-628068-woman-dna.html

So the 'shallow grave' seems to indicate homicide and therefore rule out that she was hiking/a suicide/something else?

No mention of underwear or shoes - other UID cases I've seen go into detail on these things so that seems like these items weren't found with this JD. You wouldn't remove underwear then put your clothes back on... unless the clothes were found with her body rather than her being actually dressed in the clothes. Or maybe she was homeless and didn't have any underwear but the highlights in the hair indicate that at least some point in the semi-recent time before her death she could afford to have her hair done or at least buy a kit to do it herself.

 

[anonymess]

I'd like to suggest Renee Lamanna. The timeline is a bit drawn out (Renee last seen in 1994), but recons resemble her. She's at upper end of the uid's age range, but still within it. She has a history of living abroad - could account for the foreign dental work...

She's well profiled in Namus; should be an easy rule out process...
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1232/0/

Charley Project for Renee http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lamanna_renee.html

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