Hotel Cecil Rooftop Access Discussion

[OCSlacker]

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Dunno about that part OC ... IMO, those types don't usually have some nice memorial candles handy to set beside a body they've just dumped.

MOO

Sorry to bring the thread off topic but they mentioned candles but never mentioned this girls car being found. She lived in Bellflower and ended up at Newport Beach. There has to be a car somewhere if she drove herself. A lot of escorts use a driver to bring them to their calls. Someone would have come forward and said he brought her to a certain address. Same applies to if she took a taxi anywhere close by. Well that completely put holes in my theory then. I don't recall the media mentioning anything about this. If she drove herself, once she was identified, I would assume they would release the info that her car was missing or found nearby.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Sorry to bring the thread off topic but they mentioned candles but never mentioned this girls car being found. She lived in Bellflower and ended up at Newport Beach. There has to be a car somewhere if she drove herself. A lot of escorts use a driver to bring them to their calls. Someone would have come forward and said he brought her to a certain address. Same applies to if she took a taxi anywhere close by. Well that completely put holes in my theory then. I don't recall the media mentioning anything about this. If she drove herself, once she was identified, I would assume they would release the info that her car was missing or found nearby.

I wouldn't abandon the thought that fast. Can be they found the car and just didn't mention it. Or, as high-quality as our journalists are these days, the two actually asking the police thought of a car as something boringly and normal and just canceled it when they were running out of space. Which makes the other 500 so-called reporters omit the car as well when they copy the article. Or ... if she used a driver, the bet is, it would be someone with a record and some reasons not to come forward. It's not that those drivers are really caring personalities. Soooo, is it actually holes in your theory or holes in the quality of journalistic work?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Not sure how long ago you lived here but I lived near Rialto and Marcus for years. Not a whole lot of bars up near highland that I recall seeing. I was just at Newport park playing racquetball on Sunday, stopped by cappy's for breakfast, but hey maybe I'm just not looking.

There are a whole bunch about 3 miles down beach, including what some would consider dives, like the beach ball and Mutt Lynch's but they are at least 2-3 miles from where she was found and mainly get the college kid crowd with a few regulars mixed in. Funny thing is, I think whatever happened, it happened close by to where she was found. If it was a homicide, the person clearly wanted the body to be found. It's dark on the beach at night but the homes are too close by to carry a body from a car parked on the street to the beach or vice versa without seriously risking being seen. Lots and lots of better places to hide a body though and not very far away. Heck, you have the whole industrial area near the the water treatment plant just over the Santa Ana in HB , castaway and upper newport bay park, which personally I find creepy as hell.

As far as seedy people I guess that's up for interpretation. I'm in the area where she was found a few times a week when I'm in town and all I really see are kids and old people. A big problem in Newport is all the rental property, lots of 20 somethings who get 6 people together to rent a duplex for a week or two.Still not as bad as HB in that department but it's not like the Hessians or the Mongrels are hanging out in the area.

If you are referring to the drug rehab clientele that have now become infamous in Newport and the cause of much contention through the years, it's gotten much better since about 2009-10. At $20,000 a month for rehab, they don't exactly get the "seedy" type of addict but it still has caused a lot of problems for homeowners in the area. No one wants their 2-4 million dollar house down the street from a sober living facility and we would all be much much happier if they would just go away. At least now they are regulated, it is not even close to what it was 6 years ago. Many of the facilities have closed and West Newport is no longer considered the sober living mecca it once was. They have really scaled back. As far as I know there isn't a sober living facility near highland. The closest one is about 1-2 miles away I think.

Overall, it's a pretty safe community though and everybody was shocked that a young woman was found dead on the beach. It's possible someone or a group of guys who rented/ owned a place nearby called an escort service, could have been doing drugs together or she was high when she got there, she OD'd, they dumped the body on the beach. That's just my opinion. Although with the houses being so close together I would think they lived very close to where she was found or the risk of getting spotted would be too high. I guess we will know more when the toxicology report comes back. You do have a very valid point about the media not picking up either story. It's been very hush hush on the part of PD but hoping the media will pick up the story again when the toxicology reports come back.

I like your idea of her Oding on the beach. There are rehabs for sure around, but I'm not referring to those people who are seedy. I'm referring to the transients who hang out outside of the alley restaurant and in front of the 7-11 in that same shopping center. I went to the alley and actually asked the bartender about the dead girl and everyone agreed that this is something that just doesn't happen here in Newport Beach. I don't know if that makes her death more suspicious or not.

Glad an OC person can write me on this!!!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Not sure how long ago you lived here but I lived near Rialto and Marcus for years. Not a whole lot of bars up near highland that I recall seeing. I was just at Newport park playing racquetball on Sunday, stopped by cappy's for breakfast, but hey maybe I'm just not looking.

There are a whole bunch about 3 miles down beach, including what some would consider dives, like the beach ball and Mutt Lynch's but they are at least 2-3 miles from where she was found and mainly get the college kid crowd with a few regulars mixed in. Funny thing is, I think whatever happened, it happened close by to where she was found. If it was a homicide, the person clearly wanted the body to be found. It's dark on the beach at night but the homes are too close by to carry a body from a car parked on the street to the beach or vice versa without seriously risking being seen. Lots and lots of better places to hide a body though and not very far away. Heck, you have the whole industrial area near the the water treatment plant just over the Santa Ana in HB , castaway and upper newport bay park, which personally I find creepy as hell.

As far as seedy people I guess that's up for interpretation. I'm in the area where she was found a few times a week when I'm in town and all I really see are kids and old people. A big problem in Newport is all the rental property, lots of 20 somethings who get 6 people together to rent a duplex for a week or two.Still not as bad as HB in that department but it's not like the Hessians or the Mongrels are hanging out in the area.

If you are referring to the drug rehab clientele that have now become infamous in Newport and the cause of much contention through the years, it's gotten much better since about 2009-10. At $20,000 a month for rehab, they don't exactly get the "seedy" type of addict but it still has caused a lot of problems for homeowners in the area. No one wants their 2-4 million dollar house down the street from a sober living facility and we would all be much much happier if they would just go away. At least now they are regulated, it is not even close to what it was 6 years ago. Many of the facilities have closed and West Newport is no longer considered the sober living mecca it once was. They have really scaled back. As far as I know there isn't a sober living facility near highland. The closest one is about 1-2 miles away I think.

Overall, it's a pretty safe community though and everybody was shocked that a young woman was found dead on the beach. It's possible someone or a group of guys who rented/ owned a place nearby called an escort service, could have been doing drugs together or she was high when she got there, she OD'd, they dumped the body on the beach. That's just my opinion. Although with the houses being so close together I would think they lived very close to where she was found or the risk of getting spotted would be too high. I guess we will know more when the toxicology report comes back. You do have a very valid point about the media not picking up either story. It's been very hush hush on the part of PD but hoping the media will pick up the story again when the toxicology reports come back.

I agree about the possibility that some guys called her to the house as an escort for a party. She wasn't just a prostitute. She actually did shows as an escort. She must have been well known and good at it for being picked up so many times on suspicion of prostitution etc (only one instance she was convicted of).

Which bring me back to the idea of a rape gang. Possibly same men who killed Elisa. They are still reeling from their sick night with Elisa, so they decide to find an escort with the same Race and age profile. It's a stretch, but an idea. I don't think anyone would notice her body being put on the beach as it is dark and no one is allowed on the beach between 10pm and 6am. It's the perfect place to sneak about at night. I was too creeped out to take my dog out there even at 11pm bc it was so dead out and no one would be in sight in the darkness (I thought "goodness do California people stay up at night? All the house lights are off by 9pm!")

 

[Sillybilly]

Forgot about the candles as well, thanks for the reminder. Candles are a classic ritualistic aspect. If there would have been burnt down candles on the roof as well, then I would be good to make that connection. But I haven't read anything about candles in the EL case or did I miss something?

No you didn't miss anything Peter.

Could be a perp thinks he isn't getting appropriate recognition in Elisa's case (is it psychological, is it accident, is it murder), and in the Newport case .. Look at me !!! Wants the world to know this is his handywork and was no accident, etc.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Sorry to bring the thread off topic but they mentioned candles but never mentioned this girls car being found. She lived in Bellflower and ended up at Newport Beach. There has to be a car somewhere if she drove herself. A lot of escorts use a driver to bring them to their calls. Someone would have come forward and said he brought her to a certain address. Same applies to if she took a taxi anywhere close by. Well that completely put holes in my theory then. I don't recall the media mentioning anything about this. If she drove herself, once she was identified, I would assume they would release the info that her car was missing or found nearby.

What is this about memorial candles????

Also, the perverse productions guys allegedly according to their rape victim - took her car and phone (and purse) when they drugged and abducted her.

If they can't find Tina's car (can't imagine having a newborn and escort salary and not getting myself a car!) and her ID was missing - this is what the perverse productions guys were doing before their victim Desiree awoke from her drug haze. they freaked out and let her go/have her car back. She never got her purse back. Her ID and an expired card were under the mat of the drivers seat.

 

[Sillybilly]

What is this about memorial candles????

Also, the perverse productions guys allegedly according to their rape victim - took her car and phone (and purse) when they drugged and abducted her.

If they can't find Tina's car (can't imagine having a newborn and escort salary and not getting myself a car!) and her ID was missing - this is what the perverse productions guys were doing before their victim Desiree awoke from her drug haze. they freaked out and let her go/have her car back. She never got her purse back. Her ID and an expired card were under the mat of the drivers seat.

There is a separate thread for Tina ... the candles are mentioned in the first couple of threads/links:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201044"]CA, Newport Beach, Tina Hoang Found on Sand, 4th Mar 2013 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


hth

 

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I am new to this site and was brought here by this case. Pretty cool! Thanks everyone for all your ideas... very interesting. I was a guest at Stay on Main, the "hostel" part of the Cecil hotel, from February 5th through the 8th on the same floor that Elisa was on and have a few insights that I thought I could add to this discussion.

First off, do not stay in this area of LA if you are girl by yourself. It is a very interesting area but can be really dangerous.

Accessing the roof
It is easy. I am a photographer and my brother and I went up onto the roof on the night of the 5th to see how the vantage point of the skyline was from there (not that great by the way). And yes... We shouldn't have been there, I know that, but we were and it was easy. There is a window that was open on the 15th floor that allowed access to the fire escape and was just a quick climb up a short ladder and there we were on the roof, and now we know that we were probably only a few feet from Elisa's body at one point. Pretty creepy...

Water pressure and quality
We experienced no strange tasting water or low water pressure from the 5th-8th.

Elevator out of service
The "Elevator 1" was out of service on the 7th and 8th. It was just stuck on the 7th floor. This is probably totally unrelated but I thought I'd mention it just in case there is something to it.

Overheard weird conversation on the 8th
At about 7:30 or 8:00am on the 8th of Feb I woke up because of a loud knock on a room across the hall from ours (I think we were staying in room 406). I did not hear the whole conversation because I was still half asleep, but I definitely heard an exchange with a security guard and what appeared to be a female occupant of that room. It seemed like she had called security to her room. I heard the guard ask "did you see what direction he went?" and "did he have a weapon?". Unfortunately I didn't hear the girl's response clearly. It was a pretty short conversation and it sounded like the guard left and the girl went back into her room. At the time I didn't think too much of it. We were in a sketchy area and I wasn't surprised to hear of something like that. Looking back I wish I would have paid a lot more attention. I have no clue if this is related at all since it was a good 9 days after Elisa disappeared but it just reinforces that the Cecil/Stay is a sketchball spot. Interesting experience though for sure.

During the whole duration of our stay we didn't think anything was abnormal... We didn't see any police or reporters at all. We weren't there much though except to sleep. Also, we were only asked once to see our key card when getting into the elevator one night.

One last thing that I want to mention that I see people bring up a lot in this forum is the question "Well what was she doing in California?" It seems like people are overanalyzing this. I really don't think it's any deeper than she was a Canadian girl who had heard great things about California and wanted to experience it for herself. It is not weird or uncommon to travel alone. I do it all the time. Now, if she went to LA with no plans to see other places then I could see more of a reason to question why she was there, but I think it is literally as simple as a girl who wanted to travel and see California.

I sure hope LE can come to a conclusion in this case, but it seems like a tough one with no big leads (that are available to us anyway).
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Just reporting this helpful info from a user to get us all back on track
To the rooftop. Sorry that I had bad thread etiquette! I don't do this often do I'm learning! Thanks for all patience with me!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

And more info from previous user who stayed at stay/Cecil.


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Thanks smeinzer,

this definitely supports the theory that the fire ladders were used to get to the ladder.

were there anyone else on the roof when u were there??
We saw no one at all during our trip up the elevator, down the 15th floor hallway, onto the fire escape and onto the roof. Nor on the way back to our room. In fact I don't remember seeing anyone other than people in the lobby and people waiting for the elevator. The security at this building seems very lazy and lax.

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Ugh -- I didn't quote right but this is from smeinzer: "I can verify that I had a keycard for our room on the 4th floor and I can also verify that all the other doors on the 4th floor are keycard accessed including the showers and bathrooms. I can also verify that rooms on the 14th floor are accessed by key and it appears that "Stay" has to get a key sent over from "Cecil" to access those rooms. The reason I know this is that we were first assigned to a room on the 14th floor that was a single bed room. At that point the people at Stay called someone for a key to that room to be brought over. After we mentioned the 2 bed request they canceled the key request and then used their card machine to make use 2 keycards for our 4th floor room."
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This is really interesting, because it seems they bill The Stay as floors 4-6 with keycard (more secure) access, but in reality, can place the guests on any floor!

Also, you did not keed to use your keycard for the elevator? You could move freely through the building? I thought if they had keycard elevator activation, they might be able to track her movements.

Thanks for your reply! Most helpful!
Interesting! I can totally verify that you do not need a room card to use either of the 2 elevators in the Cecil/Stay hotel. I feel like if I wanted to I could go back to the hotel and get to any location in building (including the roof) with no keycard and not being a guest.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Interesting this user mentioned not having water issues in their room from feb 5 through 8th. Maybe her body was put into tank after these dates?! I believe the police said they had no positive read from the dogs for a body on the roof initially feb 6- feb 11

Also find it interesting they mention a female complaining during their stay about an armed man whom the officers were trying to find that had been in the building!

 

[Sillybilly]

Interesting this user mentioned not having water issues in their room from feb 5 through 8th. Maybe her body was put into tank after these dates?! I believe the police said they had no positive read from the dogs for a body on the roof initially feb 6- feb 11

Also find it interesting they mention a female complaining during their stay about an armed man whom the officers were trying to find that had been in the building!

Just to keep the record straight for down the road, the K9 search was supposedly prior to LAPD's first news conference on Feb 6 (not Feb 5 - Feb 11).

Also, the female didn't say it was an armed man .. only that security asked her if the man was armed.

Until you figure out how to use the quote function ... instead of doing a whole cut and paste of a previous post with all the extraneous gobbledegook, just right-click on the post # at the top right corner of the post (i.e. on post #26) and select "Copy shortcut", then paste into the current post you are typing. That way we can all just click the link in your post and and it takes us directly to the post you are referencing.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

We saw no one at all during our trip up the elevator, down the 15th floor hallway, onto the fire escape and onto the roof. Nor on the way back to our room. In fact I don't remember seeing anyone other than people in the lobby and people waiting for the elevator. The security at this building seems very lazy and lax.

Just to keep the record straight for down the road, the K9 search was supposedly prior to LAPD's first news conference on Feb 6 (not Feb 5 - Feb 11).

Also, the female didn't say it was an armed man .. only that security asked her if the man was armed.

Until you figure out how to use the quote function ... instead of doing a whole cut and paste of a previous post with all the extraneous gobbledegook, just right-click on the post # at the top right corner of the post (i.e. on post #26) and select "Copy shortcut", then paste into the current post you are typing. That way we can all just click the link in your post and and it takes us directly to the post you are referencing.

Thanks for tips on quoting posts! Now I know thank goodness. For some reasons others had posted that police searched feb 6-11 with the dogs. Guess they were wrong. Is there a news link that mentions the exact dates the police searched the building with dogs?? Whatever the date, I just want to know where her body was from the night of Feb 31 til when her body was in tank when water issues began later in the month?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

"A search of the hotel then found no sign of Lam, including a trip to the roof with a police search dog, Lopez said.". Later in the month after the search is when the issues with the water began.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/21/us/california-hotel-water-corpse?c=&page=2

 

[Conductor71]

Just to keep the record straight for down the road, the K9 search was supposedly prior to LAPD's first news conference on Feb 6 (not Feb 5 - Feb 11).

That was me. I searched for a date on when dog search took place but the few references I saw gave a vague "three weeks ago". I counted back from a later t dated article (like Feb 23) and cut the time to more like 2 and 1/2 weeks because sequencing in report by CNN when addresssing why it took so long to find the body described the conference on the 6th and said:

A search of the hotel then found no sign of Lam, including a trip to the roof with a police search dog, Lopez said. I made an assumption that they did not search until things became officially missing persons case on Feb 6th.

What source did I miss confirming that the K-9 search was a week earlier Feb 1-5? I am not challenging this but I do always do fact check before I post. I don't want to misinform, so glad it was caught.

I thought that it took a week to establish a missing persons case.


Thanks!

 

[Sillybilly]

Don't quite understand what you mean about the sequencing in the report by CNN.


Some articles referred to her being reported missing January 31, others Feb 1:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...dian-woman-found-water-tank-article-1.1268631

Elisa Lam, of Vancouver, British Columbia, had travelled to California last month alone. She was reported missing on Jan. 31

How long did it take family to contact RCMP, RCMP to contact LAPD, LAPD to assign it to robbery/homicide, then a news conference on Feb 6??

HOWEVER, in the Feb 6 news conference, Sgt. Teague starts out by saying "Yesterday we were made aware of, robbery/homicide, of a missing persons case, Elisa Lam ...":

[ame="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxc8xw_lt-walter-teague-says-elisa-lam-was-last-seen-at-the-cecil-hotel-in-los-angeles_news"]Lt. Walter Teague Says Elisa Lam Was Last Seen at the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles - Video Dailymotion[/ame]

The purpose of the Feb 6 news conference would have been to notify the public. Surely they would not have gone public without having thoroughly searched the hotel to determine that she was in fact not there?? Please tell me the answer to that is a resounding "NO" !!!

The info regarding the search "about three weeks ago" first appeared Feb 20 as per WS post made Feb 20 4:42 am

[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8891815&postcount=439"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013[/ame]


and the link in the above post was to an LA Times article, also dated Feb 20

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-body-water-tower-20130220,0,3005517.story

searched the roof of the Cecil with the aid of dogs when Lam was reported missing about three weeks ago.

While about 3 weeks prior to Feb 20 is approx Jan 31 / Feb 1, it would make sense that if robbery/homicide was notified Feb 5 and went public Feb 6, that a thorough search would have been done of the hotel prior to asking the public's assistance.

I remember being worried that A) they may have thrown all K9 resources into the Chris Dorner manhunt, and B) there was never a direct quote attributed to an LAPD spokesperson, only reporter interpretation. I am now really starting to question if that K9 search was part of a timely, initial, thorough search at the Cecil, or something they moseyed in with when they got around to it sometime after going public Feb 6.

 

[Sillybilly]

I thought that it took a week to establish a missing persons case.

Never heard that before Conductor. I know up here in Canada, it used to be that LE kind of messed a bit with missing persons, telling family that adults have a right to go away and not tell anyone, blah blah blah. After the Pickton case though, that has changed a lot and they take these cases more seriously.

Example, late last Friday night, 18 y.o. Rachel Pernosky disappeared here in BC, was reported missing Saturday or Sunday, big search with SAR and helicopters commenced immediately. Sadly her body was found Tuesday, a victim of homicide.

Rambling here, but .. in fairness to LAPD, if they were short on resources, they didn't know that Elisa wasn't just off having a yahoo good time elsewhere. WRT Dorner, the dude was running around actively killing peeps, including police and innocents, so it really was a priority to get him taken down.

 

[Conductor71]

How long did it take family to contact RCMP, RCMP to contact LAPD, LAPD to assign it to robbery/homicide, then a news conference on Feb 6??

HOWEVER, in the Feb 6 news conference, Sgt. Teague starts out by saying "Yesterday we were made aware of, robbery/homicide, of a missing persons case, Elisa Lam ...":

Lt. Walter Teague Says Elisa Lam Was Last Seen at the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles - Video Dailymotion

The purpose of the Feb 6 news conference would have been to notify the public. Surely they would not have gone public without having thoroughly searched the hotel to determine that she was in fact not there?? Please tell me the answer to that is a resounding "NO" !!!

The info regarding the search "about three weeks ago" first appeared Feb 20 as per WS post made Feb 20 4:42 am

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013


and the link in the above post was to an LA Times article, also dated Feb 20

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-body-water-tower-20130220,0,3005517.story

Hmm..I totally agree with you, and given that such scant official info is being shared we are all being put in the position to make our logical best guess. Problem is there exists the States' Logic and Canada's logic. Let's remember that here that our national philosophy exults the rugged individual over the collective bond of humanity; in other words here no one gives a rat's *advertiser censored**. It has always assumed here that someone "vanishes" of their own will by default unless the person is obviously infirm; a case for foul play is never assumed. Individual rights are always the default here...so I know there is established criteria that defines "missing" and I have heard it is x number of days without contact. I need to look into this further...

I am soooo glad this came up. Determining what means "missing" varies by state. In Cali, there is no "X" number of days, so the police essentially never become involved. Seems incredible, no? From the LAPD Missing Persons Unit:

Since being a missing person is not a crime, police are given a very limited role while conducting these types of investigations. As a general rule, all people have a right to be left alone, and police intrusion into their lives must be minimal. However, in cases where &#8220;foul-play&#8221; exists, police can investigate just like any other criminal act. Also, in cases where the missing person is &#8220;endangered&#8221; due to medical problems, or life-threatening situations, police will take appropriate investigative measures.

This explains why I put the dog search happening concurrently or shortly after the missing persons release. The status is nearly always considered voluntary for adults. This is why it highly unusual for a K-9 search so early on (if ever); Interpol involvement is super rare for us.

Given all that, I think that likely the LAPD waited until they absolutely had to do a K9 search and likely did a half baked job. I am sure they used the "no trail" result as a way to say look 70% of the time adults just vanish because they want to. This explains why Interpol is involved and why they contacted the LAPD. Still doesn't tell us when that dog search took place.

 

[Conductor71]

Don't quite understand what you mean about the sequencing in the report by CNN.

How long did it take family to contact RCMP, RCMP to contact LAPD, LAPD to assign it to robbery/homicide, then a news conference on Feb 6??

HOWEVER, in the Feb 6 news conference, Sgt. Teague starts out by saying "Yesterday we were made aware of, robbery/homicide, of a missing persons case, Elisa Lam ...":

Here is the CNN article "sequence" that I used to infer a later date for the K9 search:

Why did it take the police so long to find Lam?

Lam's parents reported the University of British Columbia student missing in early February. Her daily calls home stopped on January 31, police told reporters on February 6 at a Los Angeles news conference.

Because it was an international case -- and her parents and sister flew to California to find answers -- the case may have gotten more attention than most of the several thousand missing person reports made in Los Angeles each year.

Again, like a lot of stuff about this case the reporting is ambiguous (intentionally, IMO). I read into the above a vague timeline:

Jan 31st - no call from EL
Feb 1- likely parents notify RCMP?
Feb 3-5th RCMP involves Interpol?
Feb 3-5th Interpol pulls in LAPD?
Feb 6th Missing Persons official status

The article then says:

A search of the hotel then found no sign of Lam, including a trip to the roof with a police search dog, Lopez said.[/I]

A dog search any earlier than the 6th would tick off the thousands who have filed reports and years later still have family members missing; none of which ever had the luxury of an SAR mission, so the dog search aspect is being under reported or downplayed.

The LAPD had little motivation to do the dog search on their own. Still I am now at a toss up over the date, but a later date could explain why EL's scent could not be trailed. Maybe Oriah could help out with all this?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Never heard that before Conductor. I know up here in Canada, it used to be that LE kind of messed a bit with missing persons, telling family that adults have a right to go away and not tell anyone, blah blah blah. After the Pickton case though, that has changed a lot and they take these cases more seriously.

Example, late last Friday night, 18 y.o. Rachel Pernosky disappeared here in BC, was reported missing Saturday or Sunday, big search with SAR and helicopters commenced immediately. Sadly her body was found Tuesday, a victim of homicide.

Rambling here, but .. in fairness to LAPD, if they were short on resources, they didn't know that Elisa wasn't just off having a yahoo good time elsewhere. WRT Dorner, the dude was running around actively killing peeps, including police and innocents, so it really was a priority to get him taken down.

Maybe we should take into consideration that in the USA most missing persons cases are not investigated until 48 hours after the person has been missing. Maybe the canine searches began 2 days after they were informed of her disappearance.


I remember everyone here in LA thought she might just be another kid who ran away to LA to get away from their family and they didn't get back in touch with parents on purpose. However about a week after that before her body was found they started really promoting the case on the news.

 

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I'm not so interested in exact days. Just where her body was when the dogs found no scent on her? Did someone put her body in the tank after the canine search? Would have to of! As the doggies would say if they could "the nose knows!"

I've seen these dogs track a scent through an ocean (lol)... Im exaggerating, but that's how amazing those dogs are. Dogs didnt sense a decomposing body? Get real! Body must have been stored somewhere else other than cecil before tank.