OH OH - Toledo, WhtFem 16-21, 335UFOH, burned, 5 pearl studs per ear, Jun'87

[q64ceo]

She does look amazingly similar to Kim Moreau. But if you look very closely at their teeth, you can see some differences:

Their upper-left-canines (#11) have different position and shape.

I am 100% sure that it is not her.

From what I have read on other sites they have a pretty good idea that she was killed the same day she disappeared. They already have suspects and possible motive.

I won't share the possible motive on this site as it is mostly based upon rumor.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

When I was looking into this Jane Doe a few years back as a possible match to my sister.I think I emailed them with this match with Tavia Elizebeth Bailey.But they say her DNA is in CODIS.So I don't know.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bailey_tavia.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/748dffl.html

 

[Sleuthnewbie]

Given a few cases we have seen in the past month or so, ruling out Kim on dentals may be hasty (Peggy Sue Houser comes to mind immediately). Both Kim & the UID have DNA available. Kim had a lot of piercings as well.

At the very least, she'd be rule out #35 for the UID.

 

[reasypeasy]

I see what you mean about the tooth being pointed. From the way the curve that forms the point looks it is almost as if the tooth has been rotated and we are getting a side on view of the incisor... of course this couldn't be the case unless it happened some time after whoever did the dental description described her as having a perfectly aligned set of front teeth. It would have to be an artefact of the reconstruction process, very unlikely but not impossible.

 

[CarlK90245]

How 'bout this one! - Just added today to Charley Project

Tammy Daniel
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/daniel_tammy.html

Missing two weeks before Jane Doe was found.

She is a little older than the age estimate, and she has no listed height.

But the teeth look very similar, and the facial shape is spot-on.

 

[CarlK90245]

Here's an article detailing the circumstances of Tammy's disappearance:

http://www.wvnstv.com/story/1698633...s-after-disappearance-of-raleigh-county-woman

ETA: I left a message with the Raleigh County (WV) Sheriff's Department.

 

[distracted 1976]

How 'bout this one! - Just added today to Charley Project

Tammy Daniel
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/daniel_tammy.html

Missing two weeks before Jane Doe was found.

She is a little older than the age estimate, and she has no listed height.

But the teeth look very similar, and the facial shape is spot-on.

Looks about right to my untrained eye!

 

[CarlK90245]

I spoke on the telephone this morning with Sgt. Lary Lilly of the Raleigh County WV Sheriff's Office, and James Patrick of the Lucas County OH Coroner.

Sgt. Lilly was quite interested in the info and said that he would look into it. He says that he as looked into quite a few UID cases, but doesn't specifically recall this one.

During my discussion with James Patrick he made a comment that he recalls that they had a "putative match" on this Jane Doe, but the girl's family was uncooperative and they couldn't verify whether or not the girl was a match to this Jane Doe. He didn't recall the specifics, but said that if he could find the details, he would let me know.

 

[chaddylex]

Wonder if Tammy's family would remember if she had her ears pierced 5 times in each ear? The UID was found to be wearing 5 pearl studs in each ear. (just another way maybe if they have a problem getting dentals) maybe a quick rule out?

 

[CarlK90245]

I did mention to Sgt. Lilly that the victim had five piercings in each ear, and that may lead him one way or the other in determining whether the Jane Doe is Tammy.

 

[Deeds]

Darla Harper
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/harper_darla.html

Kimberley Moreau
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/moreau_kimberly.html

Madeline Teresa Ponds
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/ponds_madeline.html

Tavia Elizabeth Bailey
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bailey_tavia.html

Tavia Elizabeth Bailey seems to be in the right range and it mentions that her ears are pierced several times

 

[CarlK90245]

Tavia Bailey is in CODIS, as is the UID. So with Tavia, you have a rule-out by default.

Kimberly Moreau's NamUs DNA page says "Sample Submitted Tests Complete", which usually (but not always) means it's in CODIS. But as I illustrated on page 2, her teeth look different from what is depicted in the facial reconstruction.

Madeline Ponds also indicates "Sample Submitted Tests Complete"

 

[traacker13]

I know the circumstances would seem to suggest that this is not Diana but something about her eyebrow ridge and bridge of her nose seem consistant with Diana's. Also she fits all the physical stats.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/braungardt_diana.html

 

[carbuff]

I know the circumstances would seem to suggest that this is not Diana but something about her eyebrow ridge and bridge of her nose seem consistant with Diana's. Also she fits all the physical stats.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/braungardt_diana.html

The stats are spot on and her disappearance is only a short time before the body was found. The circumstances are not prohibitive -- if she met a boyfriend her family didn't know about, for instance, she might have wound up in a drug scene in another city a few months later.

 

[Roselvr]

I was working on Becky Minish's post; ended up here.
Someone should follow up to get the gals on the other page added to the exclusions.

Lucas County, Ohio UP #4778

35 exclusions -

The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:
First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA
Ellen Akers 1966 Florida
Maria Anjiras 1961 Connecticut
Lynn Bandringa 1945 California
Phyllis Berry 1954 Texas
Debra Cole 1969 Indiana
Cynthia Coon 1956 Michigan
Carol Donn 1963 Florida
Wendy Felton 1971 Indiana
Debra Frost 1967 Utah
Shannon Green 1969 Kentucky
Jamie Grissim 1955 Washington
Clara Grunst 1963 Missouri
Joan Hall 1966 Oregon
Teresa HAMMON 1963 California
Margaret Holst 1958 Nebraska
Rochelle Ihm 1966 Arizona
Rebecca Kellison 1954 Colorado
Kimberly King 1966 Michigan
Lori Lloyd 1961 Ohio
Tammie McCormick 1972 New York
Deborah Meyer 1958 Wyoming
Nancy O'Sullivan 1959 Illinois
Jeanne Overstreet 1963 Arizona
Dean Pyle Peters 1966 Michigan
Angela Ramsey 1961 Florida
Julia Salucka 1967 Missouri
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Lisa Sexton 1966 Ohio
Lisa Sexton 1966 Ohio
Catherine Sjoberg 1957 Wisconsin
Tracy Snow 1964 Missouri
Belinda VanLith 1957 Minnesota
Emma Vaughn 1967 Florida
Tammie Wilkinson 1965 Missouri
April Zane 1960 Illinois

 

[Angie4b1g]

How about this girl: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/ludwig_annabelle.html

It's a few years (both age and DLC) and pounds off, and a different part of Ohio (eta: 90 minutes straight up I-75), but she was fairly transient. The broken wrist seems like it would have been mentioned, though.

 

[hayaletcatcher]

Last updated 14/2/16

Ellen Akers 1966 Florida
Maria Anjiras 1961 Connecticut
Lynn Bandringa 1945 California
Phyllis Berry 1954 Texas
Phyllis Brewer 1961 Ohio
Susan Cappel 1962 Ohio
Debra Cole 1969 Indiana
Cynthia Coon 1956 Michigan
Carol Donn 1963 Florida
Anita Drake 1948 Ohio
Wendy Felton 1971 Indiana
Debra Frost 1967 Utah
Shannon Green 1969 Kentucky
Jamie Grissim 1955 Washington
Clara Grunst 1963 Missouri
Joan Hall 1966 Oregon
Teresa HAMMON 1963 California
Margaret Holst 1958
Rochelle Ihm 1966 Arizona
Rebecca Kellison 1954 Colorado
Kimberly Kersey 1968 Washington
Kimberly King 1966 Michigan
Kim Larrow 1965 Michigan
Lori Lloyd1961 Ohio
Tammie McCormick 1972 New York
Deborah Meyer 1958 Wyoming
Kimberly Moreau 1969 Maine
Nancy O'Sullivan 1959 Illinois
Jeanne Overstreet 1963 Arizona
Madeline Ponds 1969 Mississippi
Sharon Pretorius 1960 Ohio
Dean Pyle Peters 1966 Michigan
Angela Ramsey 1961 Florida
Julia Salucka 1967 Missouri
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Lisa Sexton 1966 Ohio
Lisa Sexton 1966 Ohio
Catherine Sjoberg 1957 Wisconsin
Tracy Snow 1964 Missouri
Belinda VanLith 1957 Minnesota
Emma Vaughn 1967 Florida
Tammie Wilkinson 1965 Missouri
April Zane 1960 Illinois

 

[Alleykins]

I think Pamela Tinsley bears a striking resemblance to this set of unidentified remains.
They have similar features - only one inch off of the height and the weight is a few pounds off
Her lifestyle and the circumstances surrounding her disappearance could mesh with the toxicology of this Jane doe as well. Most likely she has been auto ruled out by DNA, but I wanted to add something to this thread as it's been over a year since anyone posted.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6730/0
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tinsley_pamela.html

 

[carbuff]

Updated ruleouts list: 49 names now although a couple are duplicates. Tinsley is not on it and she looks like a good possibility to me.

The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:
First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA

Ellen Akers 1966 Florida
Maria Anjiras 1961 Connecticut
Tavia Bailey 1970 Florida
Lynn Bandringa 1945 California
Phyllis Berry 1954 Texas
Diana Braungardt 1969 Missouri
Phyllis Brewer 1961 Ohio
Tracy Byrd 1968 Pennsylvania
Susan Cappel 1962 Ohio
Debra Cole 1969 Indiana
Cynthia Coon 1956 Michigan
Deborah Dean 1961 Missouri
Carol Donn 1963 Florida
Anita Drake 1948 Ohio
Wendy Felton 1971 Indiana
Debra Frost 1967 Utah
Martha Green 1970 Tennessee
Shannon Green 1969 Kentucky
Jamie Grissim 1955 Washington
Clara Grunst 1963 Missouri
Joan Hall 1966 Oregon
Teresa HAMMON 1963 California
Margaret Holst 1958 Nebraska
Rochelle Ihm 1966 Arizona
Rebecca Kellison 1954 Colorado
Kimberly Kersey 1968 Washington
Kimberly King 1966 Michigan
Kim Larrow 1965 Michigan
Lori Lloyd 1961 Ohio
Tammie McCormick 1972 New York
Deborah Meyer 1958 Wyoming
Kimberly Moreau 1969 Maine
Kimberly Moreau 1969 Maine
Nancy O'Sullivan 1959 Illinois
Jeanne Overstreet 1963 Arizona
Madeline Ponds 1969 Mississippi
Sharon Pretorius 1960 Ohio
Dean Pyle Peters 1966 Michigan
Angela Ramsey 1961 Florida
Julia Salucka 1967 Missouri
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Lisa Sexton 1966 Ohio
Lisa Sexton 1966 Ohio
Catherine Sjoberg 1957 Wisconsin
Tracy Snow 1964 Missouri
Belinda VanLith 1957 Minnesota
Emma Vaughn 1967 Florida
Tammie Wilkinson 1965 Missouri
April Zane 1960 Illinois

 

[Trying]

I believe the killer was familiar with the area. He/she had to feel comfortable enough there to not only pull a body out of a vehicle but also set it on fire. Perhaps they worked at the auto place at some point, or perhaps they lived in the neighborhood or were there often for some reason.