OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

[Niner]

It was in a link posted by rigsby2, number 223 I think.

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Found this on another discussion, does this work for the details of motions filed by AWs lawyers last week?

"You can read all the titles by going to. https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org and searching for Angela Wagner. Choose case #2018CR000156 and scroll down to the entries made on 12/14/2018."

49 motions filed!!

one of the motions filed:
12/14/2018 (10( DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO DISCLOSE NAMES OF GRAND JURY WITNESSES FILED
Attorney: KRAPENC, ROBERT F

Aren't Grand Jury witnesses' names sealed?

and here's what I found while I was at the court site. THANKS!! RAINSINISBACK for the link!!

For Newcomb:

Events
Date/Time Type Event Judge Result
11/15/2018 02:00 PM ARRAIGNMENT DEERING, RANDY D
01/10/2019 02:30 PM PRE-TRIAL DEERING, RANDY D

link: https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...k-EKElig0JAihp*dvsNstt*cYoqKfs9*-bZm1S67Dx0jQ


Fredericka:

Events
Date/Time Type Event Judge Result
11/15/2018 02:00 PM ARRAIGNMENT DEERING, RANDY D

01/10/2019 10:00 AM PRE-TRIAL DEERING, RANDY D
01/10/2019 10:00 AM MOTION HEARING DEERING, RANDY D

re Motions hearing:
12/06/2018 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Judge: DEERING, RANDY D
Event: HEARING ON DEF'S MOTION TO MODIFY CONDITIONS OF HOUSE ARREST
Date: 01/10/2019 Time: 10:00 AM

link: https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...k-EKElig0JAipiis*5btR*RIhPKk8r-q1ERYHkMJVosDw


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to you ALL!!

 

[Myland]

Jmo but something happened Around March 2017 to switch focus on Wagner’s. Maybe someone they had already in jail or arrested around that time gave some info. Jmo of course.

They interviewed Jake again on 4/13/17 then searched Peterson around 5/12/17

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Yes, its pretty shocking they only interviewed Jake Wagner once after the murders. Didn't interview him again for nearly a year. LE was definitely on the wrong trail for an entire year. Very frustrating, but what many of us suspected all along.

This is also why they allowed him to have custody of S. He wasn't on their radar. I guess we should be grateful they finally figured it out.

JMO, also may explain why they were so punitive towards surviving Rhoden and Manley family members after the murders - destroying some personal property, obstructing settlement of victims estates, locking up homes, not allowing them to retrieve personal mementos and family heirlooms, not allowing them to have custody of the kids. All because they thought they needed to punish these people to make them talk. Problem was they didn't know any more than what they told LE. SMH.

I agree to much of what you posted.

We don’t have a complete evidence list yet, or let’s say that I believe there has to be much more. I’m not seeing any of the evidence analysis results, the wire evidence, any of the travel to Alaska and other states.

Additionally there is no;

1. Evidence of purchases.

2. Evidence regarding conversations that happened at FWS FARM;

3. Evidence of any search warrants unless included in motions;

4. Firearm or suppressor evidence;

I don’t think 10% of evidence has been given to defense as yet. Including interviews.

 

[Myland]

I agree to much of what you posted.

We don’t have a complete evidence list yet, or let’s say that I believe there has to be much more. I’m not seeing any of the evidence analysis results, the wire evidence, any of the travel to Alaska and other states.

Additionally there is no;

1. Evidence of purchases.

2. Evidence regarding conversations that happened at FWS FARM;

3. Evidence of any search warrants unless included in motions;

4. Firearm or suppressor evidence;

I don’t think 10% of evidence has been given to defense as yet. Including interviews.

According to the file so far prosecutors haven’t turned that evidence over yet. Mostly scene related items so far. jmo

 

[Gracie55]

They interviewed Jake again on 4/13/17 then searched Peterson around 5/12/17

When did the red truck with a tracker change into M hands? That kerfluffle may play in this.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes, its pretty shocking they only interviewed Jake Wagner once after the murders. Didn't interview him again for nearly a year. LE was definitely on the wrong trail for an entire year. Very frustrating, but what many of us suspected all along.

This is also why they allowed him to have custody of S. He wasn't on their radar. I guess we should be grateful they finally figured it out.

JMO, also may explain why they were so punitive towards surviving Rhoden and Manley family members after the murders - destroying some personal property, obstructing settlement of victims estates, locking up homes, not allowing them to retrieve personal mementos and family heirlooms, not allowing them to have custody of the kids. All because they thought they needed to punish these people to make them talk. Problem was they didn't know any more than what they told LE. SMH.

I have a suspicion they were so focused on BobbyJ and James they couldn't see the forest for the trees. I also think it was only after they found that text message on James phone that they focused on Jake and the W's.

Does anyone remember the date James was arrested?

JMO

 

[Myland]

When did the red truck with a tracker change into M hands? That kerfluffle may play in this.

The tracker was put on the truck April 21 2017 (or at least warrant issued that day for it)and I don’t think it officially stated Wagner’s owned truck prior or least what I have seen. Tracker put on after second interview with Jake

 

[pepper 34]

I have a suspicion they were so focused on BobbyJ and James they couldn't see the forest for the trees. I also think it was only after they found that text message on James phone that they focused on Jake and the W's.

Does anyone remember the date James was arrested?

JMO

Rhoden relative charged with evidence tampering

 

[Dudly]

The tracker was put on the truck April 21 2017 (or at least warrant issued that day for it)and I don’t think it officially stated Wagner’s owned truck prior or least what I have seen. Tracker put on after second interview with Jake

BBM
Is it possible that Jake told them something to make them suspect JM and put the tracker on his truck? It would make sense with the Ws trying to cover their tracks and place the blame elsewhere....

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I have a suspicion they were so focused on BobbyJ and James they couldn't see the forest for the trees. I also think it was only after they found that text message on James phone that they focused on Jake and the W's.

Does anyone remember the date James was arrested?

JMO

No but remember there is much more evidence to be turned over including many more interviews. After evidence such as interviews are made a number of people review them. Then I believe they are transcribed for easier research location of certain statements. And the prosecution may have a reason to pay extra attention to a particular persons statements. Who knows. Except I expect 90% more evidence is in process of being turned over even as we post.

 

[Myland]

BBM
Is it possible that Jake told them something to make them suspect JM and put the tracker on his truck? It would make sense with the Ws trying to cover their tracks and place the blame elsewhere....

That is a good theory Dudly. I wonder if Jm is the witness the defense is asking for juvenile records on jmo

 

[Gracie55]

BBM
Is it possible that Jake told them something to make them suspect JM and put the tracker on his truck? It would make sense with the Ws trying to cover their tracks and place the blame elsewhere....

Then Jakes claim regarding JM proves to be a lie so the raid Ws? When, before or after, was the hearing on the tracker in relation to the raid?

 

[Betty P]

That is a good theory Dudly. I wonder if Jm is the witness the defense is asking for juvenile records on jmo

It's a good possibility. They can't seem to stop harassing the Manleys and trying to frame them for the murders. It's disgusting. Wagners are evil to the core.

 

[Myland]

Then Jakes claim regarding JM proves to be a lie so the raid Ws? When, before or after, was the hearing on the tracker in relation to the raid?

The search May 12th Jm arrested may 16th. Tracker destroyed April 28th

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Rhoden relative charged with evidence tampering

It is very interesting that the 4W's were pulled in for interviews on 5-21-17 two days after James was arrested and Jake was interviewed on 5-17-17. I wonder if James told them something that implicated the W's?

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM
Is it possible that Jake told them something to make them suspect JM and put the tracker on his truck? It would make sense with the Ws trying to cover their tracks and place the blame elsewhere....

I think James told them something on 5-17-17 when he was arrested. Jake was brought in for an interview the same day then all four of the W's were brought in on 5-21-17. Seems a bit much for a coincidence.

JMo

 

[Gracie55]

The search May 12th Jm arrested may 16th. Tracker destroyed April 28th

Thx--
4/28 tracker destroyed
5/12 Search
5/16 JM arrested
5/17 JW questioned
5/21 4 Ws questioned

Do you think Ws tried to confuse the trail of justice by sending LE after that vehicle?

I'm not sure information telling us is available but it would help to know when he acquired the vehicle and why the dickens it was important.

Given the timing of the events I wonder what was going on.
Maybe realizing the duplicity of the W clan trying to plant red herrings highlighted suspicions of investigators.

Also as an aside, after glancing through the interview lists, I kind of noticed what could be a pattern. AW is interviewed a lot, then one or other if the guys, then her again. She's the center.

 

[IQuestion]

Doop Oops! You can correct anything I missed, space and add subtext, comments, questions, recall certain events, sale of residence, move to Alaska etc.
I was just trying to see when the case really heated up. This timeline helps.
Coincidentally Jake, when someone calls you in for a police interview on Friday the 13th, it usually turns out badly.

o5/13/2016 Video of interview Jake Wagner
08/??/2017 Wagners list Peterson Rd for sale $155,000 (yes $155K) Price change Sept and October 2016 and finally went pending on Feb. 17, 2017.
09/09/2016 Audio of interview George WagnerIII
10/05/2016 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
03/10/2017 Peterson house sells $165,000 7acres sell for 35K
04/13/2017 Audio of interview Jake Wagner
05/03/2017 Audio of interview Jake and Angela Jo Wagner
05/08/2017 Audio of interview George WagnerIII
05/12/2017 Investigators search 70 acre Peterson Rd farm sarched & property on RTE 41
05/13/2017 SWAT team executes search warrant on Camp Creek Rd, Flying W
05/13/2017 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
05/15/2017 A trailer belonging to Wagner family was seized by authorities during the operation. Bernie Brown who owns the site said "Wagners dropped items off at the property a bout a week earlier. IMPORTANT...THIS WOULD BE RIGHT AFTER GWIII interview.
05/16/2017 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
05/17/2017 Audio of interview Jake Wagner
05/21/2017 Audio of interview Jake Wagner
05/21/2017 Audio of interview George Wagner IV
05/21/2017 Audio of interview George Wagner III
05/21/2017 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
05/21/2017 Video of interview (partial) Angela Jo Wagner
06/??/2017 W4 move out of area to Alaska
(Hmmm, did someone say, stop the cameras, I want my attorney?)

Please feel free to enter add'l info...am just trying to see how W4 responded after each interview as the pressure increased.
Coincidentally Jake, when someone calls you in for a police interview on Friday the 13th, it usually turns out badly.

o5/13/2016 Video of interview Jake Wagner
08/??/2017 Wagners list Peterson Rd for sale $155,000 (yes $155K) Price change Sept and October 2016 and finally went pending on Feb. 17, 2017.
09/09/2016 Audio of interview George WagnerIII
10/05/2016 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
03/10/2017 Peterson house sells $165,000 7acres sell for 35K
04/13/2017 Audio of interview Jake Wagner
05/03/2017 Audio of interview Jake and Angela Jo Wagner
05/08/2017 Audio of interview George WagnerIII
05/12/2017 Investigators search 70 acre Peterson Rd farm sarched & property on RTE 41
05/13/2017 SWAT team executes search warrant on Camp Creek Rd, Flying W
05/13/2017 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
05/15/2017 A trailer belonging to Wagner family was seized by authorities during the operation. Bernie Brown who owns the site said "Wagners dropped items off at the property about a week earlier." IMPORTANT...THIS WOULD BE RIGHT AFTER GWIII interview.
05/16/2017 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
05/17/2017 Audio of interview Jake Wagner
05/21/2017 Audio of interview Jake Wagner
05/21/2017 Audio of interview George Wagner IV
05/21/2017 Audio of interview George Wagner III
05/21/2017 Audio of interview Angela Jo Wagner
05/21/2017 Video of interview (partial) Angela Jo Wagner
(Hmmm, did someone say, stop the cameras, I want my attorney?)
06/??/2017 W4 move out of area to Alaska

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Thx--
4/28 tracker destroyed
5/12 Search
5/16 JM arrested
5/17 JW questioned
5/21 4 Ws questioned

Do you think Ws tried to confuse the trail of justice by sending LE after that vehicle?

I'm not sure information telling us is available but it would help to know when he acquired the vehicle and why the dickens it was important.

Given the timing of the events I wonder what was going on.
Maybe realizing the duplicity of the W clan trying to plant red herrings highlighted suspicions of investigators.

Also as an aside, after glancing through the interview lists, I kind of noticed what could be a pattern. AW is interviewed a lot, then one or other if the guys, then her again. She's the center.

BBM
Do you think Ws tried to confuse the trail of justice by sending LE after that vehicle?

I think they may have done so thinking that LE would center on the M's.

She's the center.
At least she is the one who seems to be telling the most lies that needed to be verified by bringing in the others.

JMO

 

[Myland]

We need a calendar with all the dates and events on it Jmo Can someone create that