GatorFL
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Scroll up. Another Sleuther posted an article that states 20%.An important question that I think needs to be answered is, “what percentage of the accidental drownings are dry drownings?”
Scroll up. Another Sleuther posted an article that states 20%.An important question that I think needs to be answered is, “what percentage of the accidental drownings are dry drownings?”
Because drinkers have some personal responsibility for their actions?How are bars not responsible …..they throw out an overly intoxicated person….to fend for themselves?????
This happens way too much here and the UK as well as other places.
It’s clear that they do.Because drinkers have some personal responsibility for their actions?
It seems to me that if your business model is to get people intoxicated you might bear some responsibility for how you handle such persons you got intoxicated.Because drinkers have some personal responsibility for their actions?
In her earlier remarks his mother didn't seem to blame the men RS went out drinking with. But I suppose that could have changed. I hope not for her sake. She may also be questioning what she could have done differently as a parent. If there was blame, I'd think self-blame would be more common (and more painful) than blaming others. But maybe not these days. There's a tendency it seems to me to blame others for choices adult family members make.It’s clear that they do.
However, death at 22 is horrible in it’s finality, and I’m sure from his mother’s perspective, she agonizes over how it could have been prevented, if only he’d been walked back to the hotel by someone.
I can understand both sides.
Right, but I don’t think it’s really a question of blame; more just agony and bewilderment that something so permanent and unexpected actually happened, and the natural question of why, and the regrets about if only this or that had stopped it.In her earlier remarks his mother didn't seem to blame the men RS went out drinking with. But I suppose that could have changed. I hope not for her sake. She may also be questioning what she could have done differently as a parent. If there was blame, I'd think self-blame would be more common (and more painful) than blaming others. But maybe not these days. There's a tendency it seems to me to blame others for choices adult family members make.
MOO
Scroll up, several posts discussing how a "dry drowning" works.Quick question - if the autopsy revealed there was no water in his lungs (didn't drowned) and the death is ruled accidental, wouldn't there be bruising or at least something on the body that showed some kind of trauma (fell hit his head, etc.)? Something must have killed him before he hit the water, correct? Am I missing something? NOTE: Please go easy on me, I'm new at this.
Sure. Riley was cut off though.It seems to me that if your business model is to get people intoxicated you might bear some responsibility for how you handle such persons you got intoxicated.
Ok. Thinking your son is dead because someone didn't walk him back to the hotel sounds close to blame to me but I guess it's not always. It's an awful situation, no doubt about it. And I feel very sorry for his RS's family and friends. But isn't it pretty much true that every accident that happens could have been prevented "if only?" Sort of like "for want of a nail..."Right, but I don’t think it’s really a question of blame; more just agony and bewilderment that something so permanent and unexpected actually happened, and the natural question of why, and the regrets about if only this or that had stopped it.
Also, the bar served him just one drink. I don't think it's reasonable to try and hold any bar accountable for that.Sure. Riley was cut off though.
That's wonderful to hear that many Australian schools have mandatory swimming lessons.So glad it was successful. So many are lost so fast. I'm in a country with a massive coastline and lovely, beguiling beaches. We lose many to drowning, even on patrolled beaches. We lost one on a not even a beach this year - a lake, really - near where I live. It was patrolled, good weather, broad daylight. A young, healthy guy came off his paddleboard and never surfaced.
There's a good reason why Australian kids go to swimming lessons pretty much from the moment they're born, just about. My mum had me in the local pool from a month or two old. There's a reason why most schools have mandatory courses of lessons for kids in certain grades.
We lose too many.
And when darkness, aloneness, steep banks, and alcohol factor in... It's very easy for a drowning to happen quickly and quietly.
MOO
andSure. Riley was cut off though.
Valid points, one and all. The real price of freedom is personal responsibility; the buck stops with the drinker/user. And he paid more than enough. If I'm not mistaken he also stumbled across a cop along the way. I don't really know or care about legal (undoubtedly civil $$) responsibility, but I just wish we could all do a better job of looking out for each other. Sad story, and seems like foul play to me.Also, the bar served him just one drink. I don't think it's reasonable to try and hold any bar accountable for that.
How do you get foul play when two autopsies have shown no signs of that?and
Valid points, one and all. The real price of freedom is personal responsibility; the buck stops with the drinker/user. And he paid more than enough. If I'm not mistaken he also stumbled across a cop along the way. I don't really know or care about legal (undoubtedly civil $$) responsibility, but I just wish we could all do a better job of looking out for each other. Sad story, and seems like foul play to me.
Was Riley in AA?That thought has occurred to me many times. Didn’t fit his known character or where he currently was in terms of getting ready to graduate and begin an internship. He’d been on a prior Nashville trip without incident. More like a freshman thing. MOO
Where I come from a man don't lose his cowboy boots unless there's foul play.How do you get foul play when two autopsies have shown no signs of that?
Let’s game this out.Where I come from a man don't lose his cowboy boots unless there's foul play.
Only partly kidding.
If the body was recovered 2 weeks after being in the water I'm not sure how much soft tissue damage (like an SA) would show up. Was there water in the lungs?Let’s game this out.
Someone murders Riley, steals his boots and pants, but does so without committing an overt act of violence. Literally the perfect murder, as it’s fooled two experts.
No stab wounds, no broken neck, no blunt force trauma; nothing at all. No water in the lungs, but that's not uncommon.If the body was recovered 2 weeks after being in the water I'm not sure how much soft tissue damage (like an SA) would show up. Was there water in the lungs?