Jury's get some advice on what reasonable doubt means. Having been on a murder trial, we discussed doubts, but in our case it was obviously not reasonably. One person didn't initially want to say guilty, but when we unpacked her doubt, it was that she never wanted to believe that someone actually murdered some one else. But she agreed that her doubt was not reasonable. The gory evidence was on the table in front of us. It was so much more traumatic for her than some of the others. There was no follow up support for jurors in those days. We were all unanimous in the end and the murderer got life. A few of us coped by imagining we were in a movie. In reality it is a horrendous experience.
The Simms family also had to sweat their way through the wait for the verdict from the 3 judges from the appeal hearing (thankfully it was delivered reasonably promptly). Heard an interview with Lyn's brother Greg afterwards and it had been almost as big an ordeal for him and the others as the original trial.
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Is there any evidence the knife even existed? Let alone that it is the reason Russell Hill is no longer with us?
First time posting and I have chosen your comment SA! Was Mr Hill right or left handed. The pictures in the media of him holding his drone show him holding it with his left hand IMO. I will try and refind that image. I'm also certain I read that when the 2 guys were grappling over the gun, Mr Hill was bent backwards. Looking at the picture you posted I could imagine his legs being trapped by the bumper bar as it appears there is a couple of protrudences [is that a word, I think you'll understand what I mean hopefully] either side of where the registration plate would sit [in the centre]. Mr Hill was a country lad through and through, he would know all about guns IMO. Edit: I forgot to say that if Mr Hill was bent backwards and twisted himself back around to his front he may have had an excruciating pain level and it has been said by his wife at inquest he had a very painful back due to work injury in the 1970s IMO as I can't locate the article right now. the excruciating pain may have made him involuntarily pull the trigger too. Didn't the ballistics man say to Mr Dan he didn't do any of his tests using Mr Lynn's gun in that he used a gun from the weapons store room that ballistics people use? IMO
The taking and loading of the unfamiliar weapon allegedly occurred between 9-10 pm.
Russell Hill, or anybody else for that matter, could only have pulled the trigger if they had first inserted their finger inside the trigger guard and off course the weapon would only have gone off if someone, Lynn claims it was Hill, had first manually loaded the magazine, racked the bolt-action and then kocked it before releasing the safety mechanism.
Well done those who earlier predicted the jury might find (or at least try and find) Lynn guilty of one murder but not the other.Justice Michael Croucher on Monday told the court the jury had asked a series of questions, including asking for clarification on whether it had to reach the same verdict for each charge of murder.
The jury also asked Croucher to repeat the instruction regarding reaching a unanimous verdict and what happened if it was unable to reach a unanimous decision.
Greg Lynn trial: jury asks question about split verdicts as double murder deliberations enter second week
Victorian supreme court judge responds to jurors’ queries. Greg Lynn has pleaded not guilty to murdering Russell Hill and Carol Claywww.theguardian.com
Edging closer to a "guilty" verdict on at least one count of murder IMO.Justice Michael Croucher on Monday told the court the jury had asked a series of questions, including asking for clarification on whether it had to reach the same verdict for each charge of murder.
The jury also asked Croucher to repeat the instruction regarding reaching a unanimous verdict and what happened if it was unable to reach a unanimous decision.
Greg Lynn trial: jury asks question about split verdicts as double murder deliberations enter second week
Victorian supreme court judge responds to jurors’ queries. Greg Lynn has pleaded not guilty to murdering Russell Hill and Carol Clay
From what we are hearing it sounds like the jury might be close enough to unanimous for guilty on one murder and perhaps hung on the other?
