Spain Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #3

[johnlair]

The rave was held at a club on the strip. Papagayo I believe People stayed behind at other bars and clubs that were still open after it had finished

Lucy certainly did there's footage of her

 

[markoid]

Sorry but that is not evidence, it is his 2 friends version of events as told to journalists and possibly the Police. It may or may not be the truth and there is no way to verify these phone conversations with Jay.

Witness testimony is considered evidence in legal contexts. It is classified as testimonial evidence, which consists of statements made by witnesses under oath, typically during a trial. This type of evidence is used to establish facts and can be subject to cross-examination to assess its reliability and credibility. The weight and impact of witness testimony depend on various factors, including the witness's demeanor, consistency, and the presence of corroborating evidence. Source: a website with more knowledge of the law than me.

 

[Merpedy]

That is if Spanish police have made an appeal requesting this. Dash cam footage etc, It seems strange that no one saw him on the road that day

I feel like so many people forget that this is happening in Spain and not the UK

There's very little point to the family updating Facebook groups (which I've seen some people suggest) that are mostly full of Brits not in Tenerife

There's been a general lack of following Spanish news about this too, it's just British tabloids being mentioned around and wild theories/things that people have seen on social media

 

[jackal67]

Reacting to the police update, family friend Rachel Hargreaves, whose son Brad was partying with Jay at the three-day NRG festival in Tenerife, told MailOnline today: 'No one is leaving until we find Jay.'

She added: 'We stay and we do what we need to do. Nothing has changed. We will continue to search for him.'

Volunteers who have joined the desperate hunt for Jay in Tenerife are also set to stay - and will explore new areas over the coming days.

Although Spanish authorities claim the case has been clouded by 'inaccurate' conspiracy theories on social media, Jay's desperate family have called in the help of one social media sleuth - Paul Arnott.

The TikTok climber, who has spent more than a week in Tenerife, posted on his Down The Rapids account today: 'I'm possibly going to move the search over to another area, either tomorrow (Monday) or this evening (Sunday) but I will tell you about that later.'

Jay's mother, Debbie Duncan, told The Telegraph earlier this week: ' can't thank Paul Arnott enough, also Callum Rahim [another TikTok creator] and his friends for working alongside with the search and rescue teams.

'Myself, well you know the state of my mental health and my paranoia, you saw it first hand. As a family, we are in a living nightmare.'

Jay Slater's family to stay in Tenerife after cops ended search

Apprentice bricklayer Jay, from Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, has not been seen since he went back to an Airbnb near the remote village of Masca with two men following a night out.

www.dailymail.co.uk

But if the Spanish authorities have stopped the search who else is there to carry it on apart from a couple of YOU TUBE volunteers.? The friends and family have not been up in the mountains searching nor are they suitably competent to do so.

 

[su5ie]

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[jackal67]

Witness testimony is considered evidence in legal contexts. It is classified as testimonial evidence, which consists of statements made by witnesses under oath, typically during a trial. This type of evidence is used to establish facts and can be subject to cross-examination to assess its reliability and credibility. The weight and impact of witness testimony depend on various factors, including the witness's demeanor, consistency, and the presence of corroborating evidence. Source: a website with more knowledge of the law than me.

Yes I agree it is in a court of law. But they have not taken oaths or made sworn statements. They are not under investigation by Spanish LE as far as I know and Lucy is back in the UK now and keeping a low profile

 

[carnabystreet86]

Sorry but that is not evidence, it is his 2 friends version of events as told to journalists and possibly the Police. It may or may not be the truth and there is no way to verify these phone conversations with Jay.

It’s not the only evidence, he also sent her a pin which I assume the police have long since checked and confirmed as being pertinent.

 

[markoid]

Yes I agree it is in a court of law. But they have not taken oaths or made sworn statements. They are not under investigation by Spanish LE as far as I know and Lucy is back in the UK now and keeping a low profile

We don’t know. Lying to the police is a crime in any country, and I’d guess that they supplied statements in an official capacity. Particularly Lucy, as she is a key witness, as she was the last person to speak with Jay. A witness statement does not mean a person on interest. And like I said, a witness statement is evidence.

Generally, there is no evidence to suggest anything other than Jay getting lost in the hills. Absolutely nothing.

 

[Webbie2021]

I know if it was one of my kids missing I be up there with a petrol Strimmer and chopping through the undergrowth you wouldn't get me off that mountain at all and I be going to see the woman from the Airbnb

People always say this when a parent loses a child, though. "If it were me, I'd do more, and better."

Of course people, and your own common sense, would get you "off that mountain." You wouldn't have superhuman powers. You would need to eat and sleep. The police may even advise you not to try searching, knowing that you'd be more of a hindrance than a help.

Even if you could get hold of the right gear, which is doubtful, going "up there with a petrol Strimmer and chopping through the undergrowth" would do no good whatsoever. It would take you hours to clear a small patch of that dense shrubbery, and you might not even be looking in the right place. And at some point you would realise, tragically, that it was a recovery mission. I won't describe the sight, but it's a sight you as a distraught parent may want avoid. In all likelihood Jay had died of injury or exposure before his family even arrived in Tenerife.

It's easy, and in a perverse way kind of reassuring, to judge parents in this situation. We're sure that we'd handle it better. We're sure that they haven't tried very hard, and we would have tried very hard. The reality is we don't know what we'd do, or what we'd be advised to do. In that situation we might be paralysed with grief, unable to think rationally. Or we might be rational and simply hope that the professionals will do a better job than we could.

 

[carnabystreet86]

Same stuff happens in every case. Whoever is close friends and involved in the search becomes suspicious to some based on very little at all. Whether it’s being too involved in the case or not involved enough, there is no satisfying some people who will drive those who’ve by all accounts done their best back into the shadows.
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[jackal67]

We don’t know. Lying to the police is a crime in any country, and I’d guess that they supplied statements in an official capacity. Particularly Lucy, as she is a key witness, as she was the last person to speak with Jay. A witness statement does not mean a person on interest.

Ok. Lets hope both his friends were 100% truthful and did not with hold any vital information or Jay may never be found.

 

[johnlair]

For anyone who might be interested

?? I don't see anything

 

[su5ie]

Police in Tenerife 'won't rule out' major new Jay Slater theory as search ends

Police in Tenerife won't confirm if a major new lead is linked to Jay Slater's disappearance in Tenerife.

www.express.co.uk

 

[johnlair]

Police in Tenerife 'won't rule out' major new Jay Slater theory as search ends

Police in Tenerife won't confirm if a major new lead is linked to Jay Slater's disappearance in Tenerife.

www.express.co.uk

Rolex watches can be very expensive

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Initial reports claimed Jay met the two unnamed men the night before while out with friends, before going back to the Masca Airbnb with them. But now friend Brad has said they actually met days earlier, sparking confusion over what really happened.
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In her report, she said: "The two men that he went to go and stay with, they had met them three days before. They hung out with them, they made friends on holiday. It wasn't two random people he'd met that night. They'd established a friendship and Brad said they seemed like really cool guys."

Jay Slater clue after he met 'two Airbnb Brits days before disappearing'

As the search for missing Brit Jay Slater came to an end on Sunday, the mystery over the final hours leading up to his disappearance deepened with conflicting claims over the two men he hung out with the night before

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Kor_Phaeron]

Witness testimony is considered evidence in legal contexts. It is classified as testimonial evidence, which consists of statements made by witnesses under oath, typically during a trial.

These particular witnesses were neither under oath when they made their statements, nor part of an active criminal investigation.

I agree that there are some glaring inconsistencies with some of the witness statements. I'm certain that local LE will have also picked up on these inconsistencies, but whether they decide to pursue a criminal investigation is anybody guess.

I think it's important to look at this disappearance from a Spanish perspective rather than a British one. If an adolescent male Spanish national disappeared in the UK whilst on a party holiday with friends, how much domestic media interest would it generate? How many man hours and how much money would the local Police be expected to put into the search?
I don't expect the reaction to be any different in Spain (quite probably even more lukewarm, considering how much of the Spanish view British tourists).

Unless Jay's body is recovered exhibiting some clear signs of foul play, or the Spanish police uncover some unequivocal evidence indicating that a crime has taken place, I suspect that we're going to hear little more in the ways of updates to this case. It will simply be assumed to be death by misadventure and put to bed.

 

[grazer]

Initial reports claimed Jay met the two unnamed men the night before while out with friends, before going back to the Masca Airbnb with them. But now friend Brad has said they actually met days earlier, sparking confusion over what really happened.
..
In her report, she said: "The two men that he went to go and stay with, they had met them three days before. They hung out with them, they made friends on holiday. It wasn't two random people he'd met that night. They'd established a friendship and Brad said they seemed like really cool guys."

Jay Slater clue after he met 'two Airbnb Brits days before disappearing'

As the search for missing Brit Jay Slater came to an end on Sunday, the mystery over the final hours leading up to his disappearance deepened with conflicting claims over the two men he hung out with the night before

www.mirror.co.uk

and it gets more bizarre

 

[jackal67]

Lucy certainly did there's footage of her

I am sure they all stayed on the strip until late but how is that relevant to what happened to Jay after?

 

[suzyjackson]

That is only true if we believe they are being truthful . MOO

Well the truth doesn't depend on what we believe.

IMO there is no major conspiracy involving multiple unrelated parties, Brad and the mountain lady haven't been meeting up to concoct a story nor has some mafia style Boss been going round making people all tell a made up tale. The overwhelmingly likely outcome is that a random person will sadly come across a body concealed in undregrowth and for the sake of the family I hope that happens sooner rather than later

MOO

 

[jackal67]

These particular witnesses were neither under oath when they made their statements, nor part of an active criminal investigation.

I agree that there are some glaring inconsistencies with some of the witness statements. I'm certain that local LE will have also picked up on these inconsistencies, but whether they decide to pursue a criminal investigation is anybody guess.

I think it's important to look at this disappearance from a Spanish perspective rather than a British one. If an adolescent male Spanish national disappeared in the UK whilst on a party holiday with friends, how much domestic media interest would it generate? How many man hours and how much money would the local Police be expected to put into the search?
I don't expect the reaction to be any different in Spain (quite probably even more lukewarm, considering how much of the Spanish view British tourists).

Unless Jay's body is recovered exhibiting some clear signs of foul play, or the Spanish police uncover some unequivocal evidence indicating that a crime has taken place, I suspect that we're going to hear little more in the ways of updates to this case. It will simply be assumed to be death by misadventure and put to bed.

I agree but think if a spanish national was reported missing in dangerous mountain terrain here in the UK I hope we would put in as much effort in searching as the Spanish Authorities have for Jay.