PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #4

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Elley Mae said:
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I guess the roof the snipers were on behind Trump wasn’t too hot. Jmo
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Nope, agreed -- not too hot at all --- and the sloped angle was 'doable' as well, even though the incline was higher than the roof from which TC carried out his evil act ?
Smh.
Excuses, excuses.
It's disheartening when it's coming from a person who holds a powerful position in the country.
Along with that job comes a ton of responsibility.
Omo.
 
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GOP Rep. William Timmons of South Carolina asked questions about Secret Service resources for Trump's rally and an event with first lady Jill Biden at a casino in Pittsburgh, which was taking place the same day.

Cheatle said the allocation of resources is decided based on availability, and there were "sufficient resources" given to Trump.

"There were no assets that were diverted from the first lady's event," she said.

The Secret Service chief also said the number of agency personnel allocated to both of the events was "comparable to the risk" they present
www.cbsnews.com

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle faces fierce grilling at first hearing on Trump shooting

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle repeatedly refused to answer questions about the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump, enraging lawmakers.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
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rockthecasbah said:
Roof too hot = rotating shifts so each officer is only up there for shorter periods then have a break. I would hope they have a general procedure for working in hot conditions.
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Had this same rally been held during the winter, would their excuse been the roof was too cold or the roof was too slippery due to snow and ice?
 
TIMMONS: OK. So I am going to go over the Trump event. So, this was publicly announced July 3 Butler, Pennsylvania. The venue is an outdoor fairground, open air, no existing security. The crowd size is -- was expected to be tens of thousands. It ended up being over 20,000.

There were general and specific threats from foreign adversaries, as the chairman of Intelligence remarked. Iran has said they want revenge, as well as, when President Trump was in office, he made a lot of people mad, terrorists to be included, all over the world. And President Trump is the former president and the future president.

So I would say that that is a fairly high-risk event. Would you agree?

CHEATLE: Yes.

TIMMONS: OK, let's conversely -- the first lady had an event at a casino in Pittsburgh just a few dozen miles away. It was a dinner for the Italian Sons and Daughters of America. It was publicly announced on July 10.

What's interesting is that the casino is actually extremely secure. They already have magnetometers existing prior to this event even being announced. It was in a ballroom, and the size of the crowd, a mere 400. There were no specific threats. There may have been general threats. And the asset is the first lady.

Those seem like there's a huge disparity relative to risk. Would you agree?

CHEATLE: Yes.

TIMMONS: OK, thank you.

Multiple whistle-blowers in various media outlets have reported that the Pittsburgh field office of the Secret Service allocated 12 additional post standers to the first lady's event and three additional post standers to the Trump rally. Is that correct?

[13:10:03]

CHEATLE: There were no assets that were diverted from the first lady's visit.

TIMMONS: No, no, no, no, this is a very simple question. I'm not asking if anyone was diverted.

Did the first lady's event that was relatively secure, especially compared to Trump's rally, get 12 assets, and the first lady -- did the first ladies event get 12 assets and Trump's get three from the Pittsburgh field office?

That's a yes-or-no question.

CHEATLE: The number --

TIMMONS: If you don't know, don't answer it. I mean, if you don't know, don't answer it.

CHEATLE: The number of personnel that were allocated to both of those events were comparable to the risk at both of those events.

TIMMONS: Wow. Really? So you think that the Pittsburgh casino 400- person in a ballroom with ingress-egress through probably a very well- guarded parking garage was four times more dangerous than a 20,000- person rally in open field with the former president and future president?

You think that that's four times more dangerous, the casino event?

CHEATLE: I didn't say that at all.

TIMMONS: Well, they got four times the resources from the Pittsburgh field office, who was likely in charge of the final walk-through for both events.

I mean, we have continually highlighted the failures of the Secret Service at the Trump rally. And you have the former and future president getting shot. You have multiple injuries, one fatality. And I would have to think that, if we had nine more post standers, nine more individuals that have the training and the integration into the Secret Service defense of Trump at that rally, that I have a feeling that Crooks would have had somebody come say hello to him before he fired a bunch of shots.

What -- do you think that's possibly true?

CHEATLE: There were significantly more assets and resources available at the former president's event than there were at the first lady's event.

TIMMONS: Who made the decision to deploy 12 post standers to the casino, where the first lady was having a 400-person dinner, and only three people from the Pittsburgh field office to the 20,000-plus -- person-plus Trump rally? Who made that decision?

CHEATLE: There were additional Secret Service resources available at the former President Trump's event that day.

TIMMONS: Who made the decision to deploy 12 post standers to the casino and three to the Trump event?

CHEATLE: The allocation of resources is decided based on the availability of personnel and their location and where they are, but there were sufficient resources that were given --

TIMMONS: What did you just say?

CHEATLE: -- given to former president's event that day.

TIMMONS: Did you just say there were sufficient resources? President Trump got shot. Someone got killed. There were not sufficient resources, clearly.

CHEATLE: There was a gap.

TIMMONS: And it doesn't take 27 years of experience to know that. And whoever made that decision -- it probably wasn't you -- needs to be fired. And then you need to resign, because this is absolutely unacceptable and you have lost the trust of the American people.

With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield.
 
Elley Mae said:
Why weren’t the radio comm recorded?

Local le and ss were not on a shared frequency, why not?

What’s this about a man in grey suit on the roof? Who was he?

She knows how many shell casing where on the roof and would not say, why not?

She said the buck stops at her. SS was the overseer they are to blame, no one else. They thought their presence was enough, they failed miserably.

Jmo
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I agree and the tune would be VERY different if this was President Biden. It's baffling that the SS didn't set a larger perimeter. The perimeter of ANY event should include the entire area that is within rifle range. That one task could have prevented this. If the area that anyone to get to without going through the metal detectors and being screened includes all locations that a shooter could set up, then they eliminate that problem without any additional manpower. Why was a building less than 200 yards from the protectee not included in the secure perimeter?

The ultimate responsibility falls on the SS. If they are delegating anything to outside agencies they better be 100% confident in that agencies ability to perform the tasks they have been given.

SS didn't even show up to the briefing the local LE snipers did before the event. How can everyone be on the same page if they aren't even bothered to go to the joint meeting to ensure the plan is set?

wbznewsradio.iheart.com

Secret Service Didn't Attend Briefing For Local Sniper Teams At Trump Rally | WBZ NewsRadio 1030

Senator Ron Johnson's office released a preliminary report about the failures that led to the assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
wbznewsradio.iheart.com wbznewsradio.iheart.com

I don't care what tasks local LE had that they failed at doing. They were set up to fail in my opinion when the perimeter wasn't made large enough to prevent this scenario from even being a possibility.

If Crooks couldn't get a rifle within range to shoot Trump, he wouldn't have been able to shoot him. Who set the perimeter? SS did. Who did the risk assessment for this location? SS did. Who decided how many agents to send and what resources to use? SS did. Who decided not to use drones to watch the area from above? The SS did. And on and on and on.
 
To the Men and Women of the U.S. Secret Service,

The Secret Service’s solemn mission is to protect our nation’s leaders and financial infrastructure. On July 13th, we fell short on that mission. The scrutiny over the last week has been intense and will continue to remain as our operational tempo increases. As your Director, I take full responsibility for the security lapse. However, this incident does not define us. We remain an organization based on integrity and staffed by individuals of exceptional dedication and talent. As I’ve stated, the Secret Service will move forward with our investigatory and protective mission in a steadfast manner. We do not retreat from challenge. However, I do not want my calls for resignation to be a distraction from the great work each and every one of you do towards our vital mission. When I got the call asking if I would return to the Secret Service after my brief retirement, I did not hesitate. I love this agency, our mission, and the great men and women who sacrifice so much every day. I have, and will always, put the needs of this agency first. In light of recent events, it is with a heavy heart that, I have made the difficult decision to step down as your Director. When I assumed the role as your Director, I pledged to do so with honor and integrity. These values have guided my entire career for 29 years. As many of you know, I served as a special agent for 27 years – securing events for FPOTUS Clinton, working as a supervisor on VP Cheney’s detail, leading RTC, operating as the SAIC of ATL, supervising VP Biden’s detail, and finally overseeing the agency’s protective mission under the Trump Administration as AD-OPO. As I stated in the hearing yesterday, all of you are worthy of trust and confidence. You deserve the nation’s support in carrying out our critical mission. One of my favorite things about this workforce is that the men and women are fiercely committed to our mission. Thank you for all that you do, and will continue to do, for our great nation. kac Director

https://twitter.com/x/status/1815755973266436526
 
Betty P said:
Probably because there's important information they discuss among themselves that they don't want known to local LE. They don't know how secure local LE comm lines are.

For example, SS don't know whether some secret escape route, etc. they're discussing is being overheard by someone suspicious listening in on local LE line or if that information is inadvertently being transmitted over a radio that everyone can hear.

When SS is working an event, they're usually wearing discreet earpieces as opposed to local LE radio.
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I understand having things they can't/don't share with local LE, but if the SS is relying on local LE to help and if they have delegated significant security tasks to them, then it's negligent to not have a way for them to communicate with one another. I'm not saying they have to share secret routes or info that only SS needs to know, but how the heck are they going to learn of a threat if local LE are in charge of watching for these threats and then they can't in turn communicate that to the SS?
 
Betty P said:
Article on the whistleblower who claims the local LE who was assigned to be on the roof left his spot because he thought it was too hot.

www.wtae.com

Whistleblower allegedly claims officers diverted from security plan at Trump Butler rally due to heat

Sen. Josh Hawley from Missouri sent a letter to the Department of Homeland Secretary explaining the whistleblower’s claims.
www.wtae.com www.wtae.com

This is starting to clarify things for me. This tells me these things might have happened:

  • local LE made mistakes and were negligent in covering the outer areas of the event site
  • they didn't communicate these changes or share information with Secret Service
  • most of the critical changes and mistakes happened in the minutes before Trump went on stage
  • SS wasn't aware the local LE had abandoned his post on the roof
  • SS wasn't aware that local LE were clustered inside the building instead of guarding it on the outside
  • SS possibly wasn't made aware of the presence of the suspicious person in time to postpone Trump going onstage
WRT the current investigation, being conducted by FBI

  • All the people who might have been involved in or aware of the mistakes are all pointing fingers and covering themselves and their friends
  • FBI is possibly being given false information from local LE, hearing conflicting stories, so they aren't confident giving a lot of specific information to SS or Congress.
  • FBI may not be certain who is telling the truth and will have to rely on video, audio, digital communication etc. evidence to sort out many details.
  • Conflicting stories from local LE might be making it hard to know how the killer got on the roof, ladders, etc. JMO, there was also poor communication among local LE and to SS.
It's going to take a while to sort out these LE witness accounts, but they will. SS is not conducting the investigation, its the responsibility of the FBI who calls on other agencies to help, provide info.

JMO, this has been my first best guess for a while, especially seeing video of bystanders trying to alert local LE about the killer on the roof and the report that local LE were grouped inside the building with the killer on the roof. WTH were they doing inside the building. They need to be outside. That's unusual.

I don't think anything suspicious happened, they just weren't doing what they were told to do by SS. These mistakes were made in the critical moments before Trump went onstage, so most SS probably weren't aware of the risks. JMO
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Even if that's true, the mistake was putting that building outside the Secret Service perimeter in the first place. Short of megacities like LA or NY who have massive police forces, it's unreasonable to expect local LE to defend against nation-states and protect Presidents and former Presidents. It's the Secret Service's job and they can't outsource away their responsibilities. The Secret Service choosing to outsource Building 6 and what happened as a result is on the Secret Service, not on local LE who doesn't have as their mission to be zero fail in protecting Presidents and former Presidents. Any problems created by Secret Service outsourcing their job is on the Secret Service, like nobody should be surprised that local LE would make mistakes as that's why you have the Secret Service in the first place.
 
SpanishInquisition said:
Even if that's true, the mistake was putting that building outside the Secret Service perimeter in the first place. Short of megacities like LA or NY who have massive police forces, it's unreasonable to expect local LE to defend against nation-states and protect Presidents and former Presidents. It's the Secret Service's job and they can't outsource away their responsibilities. The Secret Service choosing to outsource Building 6 and what happened as a result is on the Secret Service, not on local LE who doesn't have as their mission to be zero fail in protecting Presidents and former Presidents. Any problems created by Secret Service outsourcing their job is on the Secret Service, like nobody should be surprised that local LE would make mistakes as that's why you have the Secret Service in the first place.
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Yes, that may have been their one mistake. It's probably a difficult call to make. There are probably many instances where doing this worked fine, but not this time. Usually, local LE does a good job of handling these things.

The local agents probably aren't required to call the SS director to get her permission to follow that plan.
 
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Four sources familiar with the matter confirmed Cheatle's plans to resign.

www.cbsnews.com

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle to resign after Trump shooting security lapses

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle will step down from her role after facing calls to resign after the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Secret Service director steps down amid resignation calls after Trump assassination attempt

www.nbcnews.com

Secret Service director resigns after admitting agency's failure to protect Trump

Republicans and Democratic lawmakers called on the Secret Service director, Kimberly Cheatle, to resign.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
imstilla.grandma said:
TIMMONS: OK. So I am going to go over the Trump event. So, this was publicly announced July 3 Butler, Pennsylvania. The venue is an outdoor fairground, open air, no existing security. The crowd size is -- was expected to be tens of thousands. It ended up being over 20,000.

There were general and specific threats from foreign adversaries, as the chairman of Intelligence remarked. Iran has said they want revenge, as well as, when President Trump was in office, he made a lot of people mad, terrorists to be included, all over the world. And President Trump is the former president and the future president.

So I would say that that is a fairly high-risk event. Would you agree?

CHEATLE: Yes.

TIMMONS: OK, let's conversely -- the first lady had an event at a casino in Pittsburgh just a few dozen miles away. It was a dinner for the Italian Sons and Daughters of America. It was publicly announced on July 10.

What's interesting is that the casino is actually extremely secure. They already have magnetometers existing prior to this event even being announced. It was in a ballroom, and the size of the crowd, a mere 400. There were no specific threats. There may have been general threats. And the asset is the first lady.

Those seem like there's a huge disparity relative to risk. Would you agree?

CHEATLE: Yes.

TIMMONS: OK, thank you.

Multiple whistle-blowers in various media outlets have reported that the Pittsburgh field office of the Secret Service allocated 12 additional post standers to the first lady's event and three additional post standers to the Trump rally. Is that correct?

[13:10:03]

CHEATLE: There were no assets that were diverted from the first lady's visit.

TIMMONS: No, no, no, no, this is a very simple question. I'm not asking if anyone was diverted.

Did the first lady's event that was relatively secure, especially compared to Trump's rally, get 12 assets, and the first lady -- did the first ladies event get 12 assets and Trump's get three from the Pittsburgh field office?

That's a yes-or-no question.

CHEATLE: The number --

TIMMONS: If you don't know, don't answer it. I mean, if you don't know, don't answer it.

CHEATLE: The number of personnel that were allocated to both of those events were comparable to the risk at both of those events.

TIMMONS: Wow. Really? So you think that the Pittsburgh casino 400- person in a ballroom with ingress-egress through probably a very well- guarded parking garage was four times more dangerous than a 20,000- person rally in open field with the former president and future president?

You think that that's four times more dangerous, the casino event?

CHEATLE: I didn't say that at all.

TIMMONS: Well, they got four times the resources from the Pittsburgh field office, who was likely in charge of the final walk-through for both events.

I mean, we have continually highlighted the failures of the Secret Service at the Trump rally. And you have the former and future president getting shot. You have multiple injuries, one fatality. And I would have to think that, if we had nine more post standers, nine more individuals that have the training and the integration into the Secret Service defense of Trump at that rally, that I have a feeling that Crooks would have had somebody come say hello to him before he fired a bunch of shots.

What -- do you think that's possibly true?

CHEATLE: There were significantly more assets and resources available at the former president's event than there were at the first lady's event.

TIMMONS: Who made the decision to deploy 12 post standers to the casino, where the first lady was having a 400-person dinner, and only three people from the Pittsburgh field office to the 20,000-plus -- person-plus Trump rally? Who made that decision?

CHEATLE: There were additional Secret Service resources available at the former President Trump's event that day.

TIMMONS: Who made the decision to deploy 12 post standers to the casino and three to the Trump event?

CHEATLE: The allocation of resources is decided based on the availability of personnel and their location and where they are, but there were sufficient resources that were given --

TIMMONS: What did you just say?

CHEATLE: -- given to former president's event that day.

TIMMONS: Did you just say there were sufficient resources? President Trump got shot. Someone got killed. There were not sufficient resources, clearly.

CHEATLE: There was a gap.

TIMMONS: And it doesn't take 27 years of experience to know that. And whoever made that decision -- it probably wasn't you -- needs to be fired. And then you need to resign, because this is absolutely unacceptable and you have lost the trust of the American people.

With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield.
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Bbm.
Thanks for transcribing this !
Smh.
The bolded sums it up.
Omo.
 
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Betty P said:
From your link:



Re when LE swept the roof, guarded it, etc. my theory is that it was done by local LE who are now covering up mistakes they made. Neither FBI nor SS can say whether those things happened until they get to the truth.
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If the Secret Service wasn't tracking this information to know when and if things were done, that's even more of a failure of the Secret Service. The Secret Service should have had that information in near real time if the Secret Service was doing their jobs whether it was Secret Service, Homeland Security or local LE who was asked to do it. It would be absolutely horrible if the Secret Service was supposed to protect against an Iranian retaliatory assassination of a former President and didn't even bother to keep a log of all security sweeps or verify that were done nor check if a roof within 200 yards of the former President was actually secured and stayed secured...what you are describing would be complete dereliction of duty by the Secret Service if this is true that the Secret Service didn't even bother to keep so much as logs of this information.
 
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