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PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #4
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We will know more about this after the hearing tomorrow. I believe this branch is able to issue subpoenas but I’m not 100%.
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“There was great bravery displayed… Every one of them. There wasn’t one that was slow,” Trump said at the event on Saturday. “There was a woman to my right shielding me. A beautiful person. She was shielding me with everything she could.”
He continued: “She got criticized by the fake news because she wasn’t tall enough. She was criticized and she was so brave.”
Trump said that one of the women who bundled him off the Pennsylvania stage “was shielding me with everything. She wanted to take a bullet”.
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He continued: “She got criticized by the fake news because she wasn’t tall enough. She was criticized and she was so brave.”
Trump said that one of the women who bundled him off the Pennsylvania stage “was shielding me with everything. She wanted to take a bullet”.
Trump defends ‘beautiful’ female Secret Service agent who faced backlash after shooting
‘There was a woman to my right shielding me. A beautiful person,’ former president said during Minnesota rally this past weekend
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According to this news article, Crooks' family said they weren't suspicious of him ordering hazardous materials because he had an interest in science and experiments. However, it also says that Crooks used aliases to place those orders. So, I think it odd that Crooks' family wouldn't be suspicious of hazardous materials being delivered to their home addressed to a name OTHER THAN their son's name (which is what would presumably happen if he was using an alias to place the orders).
Red bolding mine.
First bolded : That should have been rectified long before allowing former president Trump to get on that stage !
Second bolded : As far as I know, there hasn't been a response from the secret service in regards to that statement about the messages being relayed ?
Not good, not good at all, in my opinion.
The investigation isn't over, but the bulk of responsibility for the former president and the attendees should've been with the best people trained to handle such an event -- the secret service.
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From the article -
FBI officials stressed that while their investigation is trying to establish a timeline for Crooks’ actions, it is not aimed at ascertaining whether Secret Service personnel or other law enforcement acted appropriately or whether their policies and procedures need changes.
“We’re not investigating, from the FBI standpoint, or evaluating, what was done correctly or incorrectly by any protective service or other law enforcement agency in regard to security planning, posture or execution,” FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate said, noting several announced congressional reviews and a panel created by the Department of Homeland Security.
There needs to be a tape recording of this interview with a copy immediately to President Trump, as I've noticed that tapes under the DOJ often show up missing. Also, President Trump needs to have a witness with him at the interview, he should not do this "victim's interview" alone.
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I'm starting to wonder if the Secret Service did not meet with them because they knew from text messages it was not enough coverage. Moo"We were supposed to get a face-to-face briefing with the Secret Service snipers whenever they arrived, and that never happened," Jason Woods, a Beaver County SWAT lead sharpshooter, told ABC News.
The Beaver County SWAT team told ABC News that though some security team was on-site days earlier, that team never met with them, as is protocol.
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Sergeant Gregory Nicol of the Monaca Police Department also spoke during the ABC News interview, saying, "We had a text group between the local snipers that were on scene. I sent those pictures out to that group and advised them of what I noticed and what I had seen."
Beaver County SWAT team points to communication issues ahead of Trump assassination attempt
Shocking allegations from the local SWAT team tasked with securing the rally for former President Donald Trump earlier this month in Butler County.www.cbsnews.com
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I feel confident Trump would have his attorney present
I know I would. Moo
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Yes, all congressional committees are able to issue subpoenas and they can issue an arrest warrant for failure to comply.
Contempt of Congress[1] is the misdemeanor act of obstructing the work of the United States Congress or one of its committees. Historically, the bribery of a U.S. senator or U.S. representative was considered contempt of Congress. In modern times, contempt of Congress has generally applied to the refusal to comply with a subpoena issued by a congressional committee or subcommittee—usually seeking to compel either testimony or the production of requested documents.[2]
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“The published text messages show that a local countersniper first noticed a man, who was later identified as Crooks, loitering in the area where the countersnipers were set up more than 90 minutes before the shooting occurred.
Swat team says it had no contact with Secret Service before Trump rally shooting
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The Times reported that at 4.26pm, the countersniper alerted his colleagues of Crooks, and that he had parked near their vehicles and was sitting on a picnic table near the warehouse, where several countersnipers were, outside the fenced area of the grounds where Trump would be appearing later.
The countersniper told his colleagues that Crooks knew they were there and saw him leaving with his rifle.
“One of the countersnipers took pictures of Crooks and the photos were shared in a group chat and another text went out among the local officers at 5.38pm, saying they should inform the Secret Service, per the New York Times.
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Swat team says it had no contact with Secret Service before Trump rally shooting
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The Times reported that at 4.26pm, the countersniper alerted his colleagues of Crooks, and that he had parked near their vehicles and was sitting on a picnic table near the warehouse, where several countersnipers were, outside the fenced area of the grounds where Trump would be appearing later.
The countersniper told his colleagues that Crooks knew they were there and saw him leaving with his rifle.
“One of the countersnipers took pictures of Crooks and the photos were shared in a group chat and another text went out among the local officers at 5.38pm, saying they should inform the Secret Service, per the New York Times.
Pennsylvania officer spotted Trump shooter 90 minutes before open fire – report
Would-be assassin detected 30 minutes earlier than officials previously said due to communication failure
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Is it anyone's opinion Trump should have a lawyer as witness in the interview?
Perhaps this should be done?
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Absolutely
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Wild Trump assassination attempt video shows cops surround building, then a barrage of gunfire: ‘They got him right in the head’
As the video unfolds, Trump can be heard in the background speaking to the crowd at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13 — but no attempt was made to get him off the stage.
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No one has said when either of the other two snipers in the building went on duty. I suspect one of them may have been a replacement for the one going off duty.
In my opinion, the SS agents immediately around Trump did their jobs very well. Most were dressed similar to him so once they surrounded him you could only identify Trump by his head when he stood up. The rest of his body blended in perfectly with the SS agents.
In my opinion, SS oversight of the event itself was near complete negligence. Whether they used outside resources or not, they should have made sure every possible shooting position was covered and all communication lines open. They did neither. Is it coincidence that what was probably, in my opinion, the best position to shoot Trump from was not secured?
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Absolutely, he should have his attorney present.
Gosh I hope so, I don’t see any reason not to. The political tension is off the charts and will be for the next 100 days so it’s important that words don’t take on a life of their own.
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Now I have about a million more questions. Holy cow.Wild Trump assassination attempt video shows cops surround building, then a barrage of gunfire: ‘They got him right in the head’
As the video unfolds, Trump can be heard in the background speaking to the crowd at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13 — but no attempt was made to get him off the stage.
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Here's some more information. First up is a mutual aid agreement with Butler County ESU. Amongst other things from the agreement:
Officers are to be assigned to the ESU on a voluntary basis. Any compensation for time spent during incidents or training shall be between the officer and his / her home department.
Now according to the Butler County DA those at the event through the ESU were volunteers both literally as well as figurative - they weren't being paid - and they did their jobs:
“These ESU officers and all of the other ESU officers, volunteered their time to be present for the rally to assist the Secret Service. They performed the duties to which they were assigned.”
wfin.com
This is really all the more reason to be very careful in relying upon local LE as you can run into situations like this where the people charged with defending a former President against a potential Iranian assassination plot are literally unpaid volunteers. This could also explain the general lack of availability of local LE when you're wanting them to do something like this but not get paid for it...which the Secret Service then blaming these unpaid volunteers kind of proves the police who didn't sign up to be correct in avoiding it. I don't think Cheatle knowingly blamed unpaid volunteers, but knowing all the peculiarities and intricacies of thousands of jurisdictions is not something you can expect of the Secret Service either, so the Secret Service should be covering the high risk areas instead of unknowingly leaving a high risk to position to some uncompensated volunteers...this also by the way can explain why one of the snipers left at 4 PM - however long they were there was as much of their time they were willing to donate to engage in stressful unpaid work.
Officers are to be assigned to the ESU on a voluntary basis. Any compensation for time spent during incidents or training shall be between the officer and his / her home department.
Now according to the Butler County DA those at the event through the ESU were volunteers both literally as well as figurative - they weren't being paid - and they did their jobs:
“These ESU officers and all of the other ESU officers, volunteered their time to be present for the rally to assist the Secret Service. They performed the duties to which they were assigned.”
Butler County DA pushes back against Trump shooting testimony from Pennsylvania state police commissioner - WFIN Local News
Butler County District Attorney said that Pennsylvania State Police Col. Christopher Paris' testimony "misstated" the location of two local snipers at the time of the former President Trump rally shooting.
wfin.com
This is really all the more reason to be very careful in relying upon local LE as you can run into situations like this where the people charged with defending a former President against a potential Iranian assassination plot are literally unpaid volunteers. This could also explain the general lack of availability of local LE when you're wanting them to do something like this but not get paid for it...which the Secret Service then blaming these unpaid volunteers kind of proves the police who didn't sign up to be correct in avoiding it. I don't think Cheatle knowingly blamed unpaid volunteers, but knowing all the peculiarities and intricacies of thousands of jurisdictions is not something you can expect of the Secret Service either, so the Secret Service should be covering the high risk areas instead of unknowingly leaving a high risk to position to some uncompensated volunteers...this also by the way can explain why one of the snipers left at 4 PM - however long they were there was as much of their time they were willing to donate to engage in stressful unpaid work.
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What are the chances that someone (SS being part of Homeland Security, under Mayorkis) decided to leave the opportunity for murder wide open and some local kid just happened to show up with killing on his mind? There are no coincidences and while I don't know who planned the failed assassination, resulting in Cory's murder, I don't want any of those people in charge of investigating.
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