marloweclover
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Even not specifically there. JMO but if I had a roomie who regularly went on solo rambles after 2 am, I'd notice.
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Yep, or showed any curiosity/interest in the field across from the apartment complex?I feel like Caleb's roommates would definitely know if he regularly hung out or walked around the wastewater station. Was it a normal walking route for him, or a night time hang out for the group?
And then there's the smell factor - there would be a powerful smell of sewage and sewage gases from that manhole. If the manhole was open the smell would have emanated from it, and if it was lifted off, the smell would have been strong. Caleb was an intelligent young man - it's hard to believe that he would have wandered to the area deliberately at that hour, especially given the smell.I cut a circle with a 25 inch diameter out of dark paper and had a friend put it on the grass in my back yard well after dark but with no fog. I walked back and forth for over an hour and never stepped on it. When I used a flashlight and located it and knew where it was, I could not adjust my stride to have both feet hit the circle at the same time, it was always one or the other. I think, partly because I was not looking down at my feet, but because I had my head up as he would have had.
I absolutely cannot figure out how he could have headed out into that field and manage to get both feet together into that hole and go straight down into it. I absolutely believe that another person was involved in his disappearance. MOO MOO MOO
I just love that you did an experiment….reminds me of the old CTV days. There were some wild experiments done.I cut a circle with a 25 inch diameter out of dark paper and had a friend put it on the grass in my back yard well after dark but with no fog. I walked back and forth for over an hour and never stepped on it. When I used a flashlight and located it and knew where it was, I could not adjust my stride to have both feet hit the circle at the same time, it was always one or the other. I think, partly because I was not looking down at my feet, but because I had my head up as he would have had.
I absolutely cannot figure out how he could have headed out into that field and manage to get both feet together into that hole and go straight down into it. I absolutely believe that another person was involved in his disappearance. MOO MOO MOO
I would say most adult strides would probably be in the +/-30" range, right? That would totally support your experiment!I cut a circle with a 25 inch diameter out of dark paper and had a friend put it on the grass in my back yard well after dark but with no fog. I walked back and forth for over an hour and never stepped on it. When I used a flashlight and located it and knew where it was, I could not adjust my stride to have both feet hit the circle at the same time, it was always one or the other. I think, partly because I was not looking down at my feet, but because I had my head up as he would have had.
I absolutely cannot figure out how he could have headed out into that field and manage to get both feet together into that hole and go straight down into it. I absolutely believe that another person was involved in his disappearance. MOO MOO MOO
Why would both feet need to be together? I actually imagine one foot dropping down and the body kind of "folding" into the hole.I cut a circle with a 25 inch diameter out of dark paper and had a friend put it on the grass in my back yard well after dark but with no fog. I walked back and forth for over an hour and never stepped on it. When I used a flashlight and located it and knew where it was, I could not adjust my stride to have both feet hit the circle at the same time, it was always one or the other. I think, partly because I was not looking down at my feet, but because I had my head up as he would have had.
I absolutely cannot figure out how he could have headed out into that field and manage to get both feet together into that hole and go straight down into it. I absolutely believe that another person was involved in his disappearance. MOO MOO MOO
@RosiebonesWhy would both feet need to be together? I actually imagine one foot dropping down and the body kind of "folding" into the hole.
For all we know, the roommates may have told the police that early in the investigation and the police never disclosed it.Even not specifically there. JMO but if I had a roomie who regularly went on solo rambles after 2 am, I'd notice.
Not sure why he was out there, but we know for a fact he was. He took his last SnapChat at the foggy bridge 600' away from the manhole. I'm going with Occam's Razor and say he was out taking pictures or exploring (which we have photos of him doing urban exploration shared in this thread) and stepped into the manhole. End of story. No one else needs to be involved for that to happen. If there were another party involved, I think with 4+ LE agencies working this file for over five months, they would have some sort of lead.If I couldn't find a 15 inch circle in my backyard in the night, with no fog , how did he find a 25 inch hole in a huge field 600 feet from the front gate with no flashlight ? He must have gone almost straight to it because the police were searching the next day and days after and they didn't find the hold. And, even if he did accidentally go right to it and fall in, WHY was he even ,out there? He couldn't have seen anything to chase, or investigate the fog was too thick ! He had NO reason that we know of to be out there.
The cause and manner of death cannot be determined. To me, that means if you cannot prove a homicide it does not automatically mean it was accidental. But, for that matter, the opposite holds true also. MOO MOO MOO
Caleb may have taken the picture that he sent to his friend while he was outside waiting for the delivery of his food order. He was ordering from a different place than usual, and he may have thought that it would be helpful for the driver if he was outside watching out for him/her.Not sure why he was out there, but we know for a fact he was. He took his last SnapChat at the foggy bridge 600' away from the manhole. I'm going with Occam's Razor and say he was out taking pictures or exploring (which we have photos of him doing urban exploration shared in this thread) and stepped into the manhole. End of story. No one else needs to be involved for that to happen. If there were another party involved, I think with 4+ LE agencies working this file for over five months, they would have some sort of lead.
"About 600 feet away from there, investigators found a manhole in a field.
“[The manhole] was covered with grass at the time and no one was [initially] able to find this or notice that this hole was there,” Breedlove says — but, importantly, its cover "had been knocked aside."
"We don't know how that occurred," he adds. "It is an area that is farmed every year. So there's the likelihood that a farming implement knocked it off and with the high grass growing across there, it would be sort of camouflaged to most people walking around there.”
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Missing Student Caleb Harris May Have Accidentally Fallen into Manhole, Police Say, as They Reveal New Details of Finding Body
As the investigation into missing student Caleb Harris' death continues, police are sharing new details about how the 21-year-old's body may have ended up at a wastewater well near his apartment without there being any evidence of "obvious homicide."people.com
Harris family believes death was not an accident; toxicology shows no drugs or alcohol in Caleb’s system at death
The Harris family has told 3NEWS they do not believe their son’s death was an accident.
Did Caleb Harris have any alcohol or drugs in his system?
The report states that toxicology reports were negative, indicating he did not have drugs or alcohol in his system when he died.
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How did Caleb Harris die? Autopsy report reveals few clues
The Nueces County Medical Examiner lists the manner in which Harris died as “undetermined,” saying there does not appear to be any evidence of a traumatic injury.www.kiiitv.com
In this video, you can see that one foot stepping into a manhole causes the entire body to follow:I cut a circle with a 25 inch diameter out of dark paper and had a friend put it on the grass in my back yard well after dark but with no fog. I walked back and forth for over an hour and never stepped on it. When I used a flashlight and located it and knew where it was, I could not adjust my stride to have both feet hit the circle at the same time, it was always one or the other. I think, partly because I was not looking down at my feet, but because I had my head up as he would have had.
I absolutely cannot figure out how he could have headed out into that field and manage to get both feet together into that hole and go straight down into it. I absolutely believe that another person was involved in his disappearance. MOO MOO MOO